Huge Mistakes Being Made By OWS

Due to the fact the movement has no clear message, people from all over are speaking for them and claiming their message. People are all over the News giving their version of what the message is. Even the President is trying to claim them and their movement. The Democratic Party is doing the same in some politicians cases. You know, the people who brought us this mess.

Allowing what leadership there is to be controlled by Progressive Organizations, making it logically look as if the movement belongs to them and only to them. Unions, MoveOn, political movements like the Communists and Soros funded organizations are involved to try and take it over. When they did not reject that vocally, they really screwed up.

Alienating the media. One of the things you learn as you mature is that you cannot beat the system, but you can learn to use it. If they want their message to get out in a meaningful way they must use every opportunity that arises with the media to get their message out. It gives the impression this is just a bunch of immature children which kills any message they might have. Due to rejecting the media it allows others to claim their movement with ease.

Not maintaining appearances and order. Trashing the locations they are at and not self-policing give their opponents all the ammunition they need to minimize them. They want to be taken seriously they must reject violence and violent people, they must reject any take over by fanatical groups and they must prove their opponents wrong by being cooperative and for god sakes clean up after themselves. Every time somebody sees a video of one of them crapping on a car, it drives anyone who matters away and proves their opponents right. It's up to them to see this sort of thing does not happen.

The giant log in their eye is that they have gone after the wrong target. The bad things happening on Wall Street are legal. They are legal because of the the White House and Congress. They want to change Wall Street they would be in DC unless they truly are all illiterate and they are just a bunch of out of control pubescents. They need to smarten up and prove they have brain cells that function.

Where am I wrong?

They are legal because big business/bankers lobbied congress to get what they want. So the source of the issue still is *ching ching* the money. The money is the issue, it matters not what you do about the political system, because if you remove the corrupt, you put more in, to be corrupted again.
Just a reflex statement to skimming through most of your post there.
And i believe not having a specific goal or 'demands' is a good thing. ITs a place of learning and awakening. Once people go there, and realize the whole system is screwed. How can you have 'one demand' when the entire system is rigged to fail?
You can beat the system, if everyone stands against it.

Much love

I found this article interesting. It was emailed to me from a friend that isn't fully supporting the OWS movement, yet. He mentions that the lack of direction or a clear message is what is hurting the movement, and he tries to summarize a possible message. Anyways, interesting take whether you agree or not.

www.daveramsey.com...'%20rel='nofollow#.TqFvDc-7zMM.email

reply to post by Blaine91555


Julian Assange was at a protest today wearing an anonymous mask. Police made him take it off. His response? (paraphrased) ... we should demand that secret accounts in foreign banks be transparent too - opened up and holders denied anonymity. I agree.

Assange

reply to post by AzureSky


You demonstrate another issue. Being defeatists. Ignoring the fact that everything wrong Wall Street does comes from DC is hiding our heads in the sand is it not?

Again, where am I wrong. When something is wrong, you fix it or give up. You organize and run your own candidates if your for real. Otherwise it's just an interesting side note in history that will be forgotten soon.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Regardless of what they want to say, regardless of how they want to portray themselves, it's how they are perceived that is going to matter.

I'm a bottom line type of guy. If they accept the progressives, the unions, the socialists, CAIR, DNC endorsements; then their message is moot.

They've already made their mistakes by having adbusters, tides, finance this.

reply to post by soficrow


Changing the subject instead of discussing the issue? How is that relevant. Are you saying Assange is not just another person with a cause jumping on the bandwagon because OWS has no coherent message and he can?

reply to post by ChachiArcola


Thank you for an interesting read. But you notice the first thing that happens, even if tongue in cheek is the author defines them because they have no coherent message. The author does not take them seriously and that is their fault.

reply to post by beezzer


Exactly. They are becoming nothing more than a useful tool for the politicians, in this case Obama's supporters.

If this thing is to have any meaning helpful to our country, they have to wake up to reality.

Right now they are fighting the system with a Nerf Gun. Peaceful protest can be very, very powerful if organized and well managed with clear messages. But this? What's the point?

reply to post by AzureSky


But, AzureSky, you know that business is not the only entity lobbying Congress. Businesses lobby against other businesses, there are environmentalists, unions, old people, sick people, mothers, nearly everyone has a lobby group. Quite often its not the money involved but the number of people supporting a position that determines a winner.

For various reasons, some politicians will not support a lobbying group regardless of the money involved. Basically, it just rubs them the wrong way. But eventually the politician has to decide while being influenced by many complicating factor. It is the poor decision that is the problem, not one lobbyist.

The worst thing about OWS is that its been infiltrated.
Just like what they are "protesting" against, they have been corrupted themselves.

Now things will be made sure that any message they have could not be organized in a way that they would be able to express themselves on a concrete manner.

In this video Conceptual Tyrannosaurus shows you some of the corruption that is going on at OWS...



If you check out his channel, he has a few others.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by beezzer

 

Exactly. They are becoming nothing more than a useful tool for the politicians, in this case Obama's supporters.

If this thing is to have any meaning helpful to our country, they have to wake up to reality.

Right now they are fighting the system with a Nerf Gun. Peaceful protest can be very, very powerful if organized and well managed with clear messages. But this? What's the point?

I will give credit to this OWS crowd/movement.
They have exposed the corruption that takes place in DC. Their solutions are off-target and haphazard, but that just opens the door for other, smarter people to step in with a solution.

My own solution is a grass-roots to find politicians with integrity, (non-pols) to step in, step up.

Maybe someone smarter can come up with something else.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by AzureSky

 

You demonstrate another issue. Being defeatists. Ignoring the fact that everything wrong Wall Street does comes from DC is hiding our heads in the sand is it not?

The protests are for DC to act. Wall Street isn't going to make the changes DC has to make them so just because they are parked at wall street doesn't mean they have their head in the sand.

reply to post by Blaine91555

Alienating the media. One of the things you learn as you mature is that you cannot beat the system, but you can learn to use it. If they want their message to get out in a meaningful way they must use every opportunity that arises with the media to get their message out. It gives the impression this is just a bunch of immature children which kills any message they might have. Due to rejecting the media it allows others to claim their movement with ease.

There is no use to "alienate" media, its more about alienate "both" sides,

what i saw there are mature and "imatured" people occupying...there is no difference....
i'ts a question of state of mind and consciousness, no matter how old !

meaningful (adj) is the most abused word in the last 3 years...
alternatives such as important, significant, and effective should be considered.

and at last : think about a hegelian move...

skullz&bonez my friend

reply to post by Fishticon84


check hegelian move plz... and check yourself !
and soon we will understand
until we have become 0ne...

reply to post by beezzer


I agree that finding non-politicians and returning our government to the People is the ultimate goal.

I get this feeling that with OWS it's more of a happening than a movement. These things should have been worked out before the initial protest. Being organized does not take an intellectual but instead hard work. There in lies part of the problem I think. Nothing worthwhile comes easy. The world gives us no free rides.

Whether a person agrees with the Tea Party or not, an honest person must admit they did it right. They have people in office. Their events were carefully organized, peaceful, legal and they had a clear message. To demonstrate they were for real they even self-policed. OWS needs to at least realize that is the way to get results.

Thanks for posting.

reply to post by vatel


You concentrate on nuances instead of the big picture and real issues, it just negates everything. A movement that has real meaning includes all of us, not just radicals and young people.

Age is very relevant. I'm a person who participated in the Vietnam War protests only to see radicals like the Weather Underground destroy it and take it over. It was easy for these radicals to take over the message, because we made the same mistakes. The message got mixed up with things like drugs and progressive lunacy instead of Peace which should have been the only message.

One reason the bad elements so easily overran us is our immaturity and youth. It is a fact we gain in wisdom as we age. It's disingenuous to ignore that. When this has legs, it will be a mixture of all ages, classes and peoples. Any movement that is not, is meaningless.

reply to post by Blaine91555


i am not focussed on the nuances but the focus...
the focus is to be, to be free...
wether you've been in nam, or a part of the weather.
the mistake is: not to be open to it
do not be afraid of lunacity, they won't harm you...
sometimes wisdom is spread , regardless of power and age and we (i am that old as you, we have to welcome it on our way into future) have to accept it.
Peace

Reply to post by Blaine91555

The tea party movement started out just like OWS is right now only it was a lot smaller. They did not start out with a clear agenda and even when they did develop one the cause was being mocked because of the foolishness of some people within it. True they did get their candidates in but that was just happenstance because there was an election while the movement was still popular with those involved. The very same thing could happen with OWS this upcoming year.


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Well, I supported OWS and the entire Occupy Movement, but I'm beginning to sway on this one.

It appears every other movement or charity has tried piggy backing OWS. Maybe because there has been no coherent message or maybe because TPTB recognised an opportunity to infiltrate and quickly did so.

It's a shame, this could have been BIG!! Nevermind.