Gadhafi murder to be investigated. UN human rights spokesman

reply to post by nh_ee


Not to mention that a lot of people think Libya might have been framed for Lockerbie as the circuit board was swapped before trial and was the only piece of evidence that could convict al-Megrahi. That was finally admitted to in the last few years I believe. Also Libya has always fought for international recognition. Not something a country would do while simultaneously being a terrorist state. Also they are the only "terrorist state" to ever compensate victims (which people with the Iran theory would say was part of accepting responsibility and good faith to move past it)

A lot think that Lockerbie was an Iranian act in retaliation for the United States shooting down Iran Air Flight 655.

reply to post by Xcathdra




Ahhh ok... no I definitely said the stuff at the top.


And as for where was I?

I'm involved in any thread where people are being oppressed and killed... I speak out on all issues.

Unfortunately as you can see from a thread I authored, nobody cares unless it's being perpetrated by the US or UK.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Another post in another of my threads..

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Doesn't mean I don't speak out or have an opinion....

Gaddafi had many opportunities to leave Libya and seek exile elsewhere.... He didn't and foolishly believed to the end that he could crush the rebellion, retain power and his godlike status over the Libyan people.

What is there to investigate?

U.S. intelligence and anonymous credible information, provided accurate coordinates to his convoy, and which vehicle he was in, following orders from the HIGHEST levels, airstrikes involving predator drone and french fighter targeted the convoy.

Gaddafi could NOT be killed directly by the west, he would have become a hero to the Muslims, it would have been the "great Satan" (USA) that "martyred" him.

He and his bodyguards scattered from the convoy attack, sought out hiding places and for Gaddafi that was a pipe under a nearby road... His location was relayed to operatives within the rebels advancing on the city, they were given his location and he was quickly captured... Video and witness evidence from there already tells the rest of the story.

It was a hands-off assassination.

The US and allies assisted the Libyan people in achieving this goal.

He was killed by his own people.

They could have tried him in a court, and hanged him at a later date, those choices were entirely theirs.. He was alive when they found him.

-The end-

reply to post by blupblup


Thats my point though. I just dont see the point in going after the US or UK while those same people ignore death war and destruction where the US / UK arent involved. Im just saying if people are that concerned about death, it should be an all or nothing viewpoint.

anyything less and its tacit approval for anyone but the US and UK to get a walk.

Gaddafi may be dead, otherwise it will be very embarrassing when he surfaces out.
But this man on the photo is not Gaddafi
img248.imageshack.us...
Gaddafi is almost 70 years old, but the body, the skin on the photo is about 50 years old
Pay attention, for example, to his arm
This is an arm of an old man
pics.livejournal.com...

Gaddafi had his appendix surgery.
There is nothing that even remotely resemble a scar (right side)

There is already a post on ATS with his ears analysis
www0.xup.in...

My guess: special forces like SAS managed to find and kill Gaddafi, maybe even some time ago, but had to bring it as he was killed by the rebels. Killing ex-dictators without bringing him to trial is not civilized. Instead savage rebels allowed to do everything.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by blupblup

 

Thats my point though. I just dont see the point in going after the US or UK while those same people ignore death war and destruction where the US / UK arent involved. Im just saying if people are that concerned about death, it should be an all or nothing viewpoint.

anyything less and its tacit approval for anyone but the US and UK to get a walk.

See I thought your point was to say that I didn't go after other people, a baseless and unfounded accusation which now been shown as such, and you're now changing it to "people" instead of "you"

Perhaps you should research and not just accuse me.... perhaps you should use more general language when writing your post and not personal, accusatory language.

Thanks.

reply to post by blupblup


You would be included with those people. Even in this thread its obvious.

The UK and US are the biggest terrorists and the biggest threat in the world.... and to world peace.

Care to point out where you didnt just blame the US and UK? Nothing like objecting to casualties when caused by those 2 while you completely fail to mention Ghadaffi, China or Russias in that. You know, Tibet, Chechnya....

So I am guessing you condone murder when its committed by anyone other than the US or UK? Good to know.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by blupblup

 

You would be included with those people. Even in this thread its obvious.

Care to point out where you didnt just blame the US and UK? Nothing like objecting to casualties when caused by those 2 while you completely fail to mention Ghadaffi, China or Russias in that. You know, Tibet, Chechnya....

I'm not saying I don't blame the US and UK and I do think they're the biggest threat... I have said nowhere that they are the only oppressive force or that no other leaders or nations should not be held accountable?

Seriously... WTF are you talking about?

What is your point.


You said.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Is there any reason you are wanting to hold people accountible for crimes while excusing people accountible for crimes?

If the actions of the US / UK etc offend and shock your conscious that much, then where were you on Sudan? N. Korea? Iran? Syria? Somalia? Yemen?.
So I am guessing you condone murder when its committed by anyone other than the US or UK? Good to know.

I've already shown this accusation to be untrue.... so what is your point?

I want everyone held accountable...

As this thread is about Libya and Gaddaffi... that's what I was talking about.

Seriously... what is your point?

Also wanted to post this here.


Pepe Escobar: NATO wanted Gaddafi dead all along





Killing Gaddafi easy cover-up for West deals






Also, Russia are saying that The Geneva Convention was violated when Gaddafi was killed whilst a prisoner.

m.trust.org...

in.reuters.com...

Originally posted by blupblup

Also, Russia are saying that The Geneva Convention was violated when Gaddafi was killed whilst a prisoner.

What are they going to do?

Arrest Gaddafi's own people for his assassination?

The victims of war crimes charged with murdering a war criminal?

reply to post by Fractured.Facade




Just reporting what they're saying, not saying it makes sense and should be followed up.


Although there are laws on how you handle POW.... I dunno man.

reply to post by OzTruth


Another rigged investigation just to feed the Mainstream Media whores for the front page.

Like anyone is actually going to get convicted for killing Gaddafi!

Please UN, you make me laugh.

To all the rebels that killed Gadhafi; Welcome to the Bilderberg's paradise! The democracy that you killed and died for is Libya's to keep now and there is no way of turning back thanks to all of you! You thought that you had it worse than those "free countries" that helped you to get rid of the dictator?...wait and see for the freedom that we so highly enjoyed here. We can talk openly and post messages on forums such as this one when we are unhappy about the policies of our leaders but while we do that we realize even more how small and powerless we are because our opinions never matter to them. Everything that they do from now on will be totally opposite to what you expect. Prepare yourselves for a world full of lies and deceit where good values don't get you anywhere. All those friends of yours that helped you on your fight for freedom will never ever leave you alone anymore. They have to help you rebuild your country first. They will actually do it for you and you won't have to pay them immediately....for your sake and because they care for you they will drag those repayments on for the next generations to come. You probably feel bad now that you killed that old insane man that was standing straight in front of your "dear friends" but you don't have to worry too much for that guilty feeling...those friends of yours will show you that you can continue to do anything that your imagination can conceive, be it bad or very-very bad, as long as you are on their side you can fear nobody, not even God. While I shed a tear for what is there to come for you when they will want to cover the facts, I can only remind you that when those times will come try to remember that at least you will be free! God forgive you all

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


liar liar
pants on fire

"the people" didn't kill him it was AL-CIA-Duh agents of the oligarchy and their banking cartel, whose 1st priorty
was establishing a central bank, not seeing to the peoples needs, that alone says it all.

lol you sound as if you had some sort of stake in Qaddafi's death.

or maybe you're just an ignorant war-mongerer that gets his or her jollies from death

FACTS:

Qaddafi was not the official ruler of Libya, just the founding father, the elected PM and government did defer to him though, but that is not the same.

these so called rebels and "f-fighters" were classified as enemies of the West when they were working elsewhere.

the people of libya had free health care and government assistance for college education something that no longer exists save in name in amerika. no doubt these "rebels" will get rid of that as being communist cough i mean anti-islamic.

fact Qaddafi's "regime" oversaw the creation one of the greatest engineering projects of the 20th and 21st centuries, The Great Man Made River project more here => Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi?

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' to change its topography – turning sand into soil. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. …The Great Man-Made River, which is leader Muammar Qaddafi's ambitious answer to the country’s water problems, irrigates Libya’s large desert farms. The 2,333-mile network of pipes ferry water from four major underground aquifers in southern Libya to the northern population centers. Wells punctuate the water’s path, allowing farmers to utilize the water network in their fields. ... “Water is more precious for us than oil. ... Water here in Libya, it’s life.”

The 1st of September[2010] marks the anniversary of the opening of the major stage of Libya's Great Man-Made River Project. This incredibly huge and successful water scheme is virtually unknown in the West, yet it rivals and even surpasses all our greatest development projects. The leader of the so-called advanced countries, the United States of America cannot bring itself to acknowledge Libya's Great Man-Made River. The West refuses to recognize that a small country, with a population no more than four million, can construct anything so large without borrowing a single cent from the international banks.

...In the 1960s during oil exploration deep in the southern Libyan desert, vast reservoirs of high quality water were discovered in the form of aquifers. ...

...In Libya there are four major underground basins, these being the Kufra basin, the Sirt basin, the Morzuk basin and the Hamada basin, the first three of which contain combined reserves of 35,000 cubic kilometres of water. These vast reserves offer almost unlimited amounts of water for the Libyan people.

i predict that these aquifers will be found to be contaminated. all the DU dropped over there.

meanwhile King Oreo, the Barroness Prick and others are now slavering at the upcoming increase in the african genocide agenda, as a major obstacle has been removed.

Yes, I have seen the video footage and it was horrific. Those who actually executed a wounded man on the field of battle are war criminals quite clearly breaking U.N law.

The idea held by anyone that this is a successful conclusion is a naive notion. It is as brutal as humanity can get. It looked like a scene from Mel Gibson's "Passion...". I am actually still in shock that they have let everyone across the world including children see this the way they have. This world is still just too primitive.

Protect our civilized and compassionate natures as much as we can. Justice has not been served here, just barbaric and primitive slaying.

I know Gaddafi is alive. It will be alright Mr.Gaddafi, despite what they say.

The scary thought is, that all of us have that in us to act like that, if you make us mad enough. Those of us in the West are no better than those men from the Middle East we turn our noses up at.

The bottom line is: we are just animals and we have deluded ourselves into thinking we are more.

reply to post by OzTruth


I agree with the substance of your thread (i.e. it was inappropriate to lynch him), but also find it amusing that the same institution which tacitly sanctioned aggression against the Gadhafi regime has now dedicated itself to investigating the circumstances of his death.

If Gadhafi had been reduced to beef stew with noodles (a euphemism) by either a British, French, or American missile then it would have been okay--there probably would not be an investigation. But because so-called rebels paraded him thru the street and possibly executed him the UN suddenly has a crisis of consciousness. I mean the fundamental logic from which this all began is twisted to the point that I can't help but laugh at its perverseness.

Addendum: I should hasten to add that had Gadhafi been injured by drone attack and it was determined that a "live target" was an injured Gadafi, the authorization to "finish the job" would probably have been approved; and I doubt very much there would be an investigation just because.

reply to post by jjjtir


It was the NTC (through a businessman, as I understand it) who posted a tidy sum for Gaddafi's capture or killing back in August:

Libya’s rebel council have offered amnesty to anyone who captures or kills the dictator. A business man offered an additional two million Libyan dinars ($1.3 million) for catching Gaddafi.

www.rawstory.com...

I don't know if any of these fighters were "loyalists" jumping in to get "amnesty" - doubtful. While one can understand the pent-up hatred the soldiers felt for him by putting them through the attacks on his own people and then forcing them to arms for six months, a plan should have been put in place well beforehand to have those with much cooler heads and presence of mind on hand and take charge of bringing him in peacefully to face justice through the courts.

I hope no one sees one single dollar of that "reward" for catching him.

From my perspective, Obama's call to infiltrate Pakistan and kill OBL in cold blood is just as worthy of a thorough U.N. investigation.

I completely agree with initiating an investigation. The evidence that is available clearly shows that he was apprehended in relatively good condition, and subsequently received multiple gunshot wounds to various areas of the body, including the left side of the head.

The claim that he was shot in the crossfire between the rebels and pro-Gaddafi forces doesn't jive with the personal accounts of those in the ambulance at the time, more than one of whom claimed there was no shooting going on at all. If this is the case, then it is impossible that he was caught in the crossfire.

Common sense would dictate that the rebels executed him. This is what I believe, and I also believe that someone should be held accountable. He deserved his day in court, and definitely deserved more than a "show trial." I don't care if he was Hitler himself, he still deserves a trial, as does any criminal. I find this killing to be outrageous, and I hope someone will be held responsible, although I know that won't happen.