NYC Cops stand around and WATCH man stabbing homeless man in the neck repeatedly

reply to post by yourboycal2


I agree with your sentiment but I disagree with some of your points.

Im sure the cops were in shock and awe over witnessing such a tramatic event.

None of the officers were standing there with the hands over their mouths in shock. The first officer had his gun drawn and was justified to kill the guy. The reason he didnt was because of the angle.

First i would've put on in his leg,

Legs move and that would have been time wasted that he could have stabbed the guy a few more times. If you are going to make the decision to shoot the guy, you have to incapacitate him immediately. That would have meant putting the gun up to his head and shooting him point blank. Guess what the public would have said then? The headline for this thread would have been "Police execute man point blank!!!!"

no complaince he would've got one in the back

And directly into the victim just beneath him.

every siutation is differnt , these cops could've done more . without lethal force.

Again, I agree with your overall stance, I just argued a few of the points.

reply to post by grey580

Those are the worse excuse for police I have ever seen.
Biggest bunch of wimps ever.

You have a gun in your hand use it.

Oh really? How many of these types of situations have you been in? What was the outcome? Video games do not count.

Again, see above as to why trying to shoot the suspect was the wrong answer.

reply to post by brommas

Perhaps they were struggling to decide what crime that it should be reported as!(they arent too bright nowadays). Perhaps they were even trying to work out if a crime had been committed!!.

Its quite clearly attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. And I am sure what report they were going to write was the furthest thing from their minds.

Personally i think it is because they were actually faced with a dangerous situation, and like so many have said here, they are basically cowards that can only give people crap that they know will not fight back.

Did they do something about it after the few SECONDS it took to wait for backup, develop a plan and put that plan into motion? They sure did.

Damn, this man could of hurt them, they are not overly keen on homeless human beings as i understand it. Anything happens to you, dont call a cop, deal with it yourself then do not incriminate yourself by speaking to them when they give you crap.

What evidence do you have that the police officers knew the guy was homeless? What evidence do you have that the fact that the man was homeless caused the police to handle the situation any differently? ZERO. NONE.

reply to post by blah yada

I think the cops were probably more concerned for the well being of the shiny BMW than the homeless guy.

Get real. I assure you if you asked any of those officers what kind of car was behind the suspect they wouldnt have known. At the very best they would have said a black one.

Stop being ridiculous.

reply to post by FugitiveSoul

I guess police courage only rears its head when people are holding signs or closing bank accounts.

Hey, believe it or not, police do things other than dealing with the misguided youth of the OWS protests. This is one of them. And situations like this happen more often than you think with other officers taking action.

Stop being ridiculous.

reply to post by caladonea

My take on this is ...the policeman did not care....that homeless man....was population control to him.....just another homeless person...does not matter.....some policemen do think this way...and they think they can act any way they want ...because they are law enforcement.

Seriously....some law enforcement people...are evil.

Again, what is leading you to believe that the police knew the man was homeless? Again, what is leading you to believe the police knew the man was homeless and that caused them to handle the situation differently? What evidence do you have that leads you to believe some police officers think this way? How many police officers do you know personally?

NOTHING. NONE. ZERO.

My take on this? I think you are being ridiculous.

reply to post by AllUrChips

Dude im no cop but just as a human being I would have the compassion to intervene myself even with no gun or billy club or ridiculous badge. Wouldnt you?

It sounds to me like you are an internet tough guy. I am almost certain that if you saw this happening you would either:
1. Pull out your camera phone so you could post it on the internet,
2. Stand there in shock and watch what you only see on television or in the movies,
3. Get the heck outta there

reply to post by areyouserious2010


Actually cops are trained to identify vehicles. Descriptions like "black car" aren't that useful in court. Any well trained cop subconciously notes details like that.

Anyway it was a joke.Lighten up.Put away your internet pepper spray.

reply to post by AllUrChips

While I dont think population control was going through their heads I do agree they took a certain amount of entertainment value out of it

Really? The police were entertained by it? Yea all of those cops sitting there watching it with popcorn.

No, that is you. You trolled the internet and found a video that has violence in it. You watched it for entertainment. Then, your police hating side said, "those cops did not immediately and irrationally act like I see in other forms of entertainment like on television. I have a problem with this. Lets take it to ATS where the other people who dont like police can also comment."

Get real.

reply to post by TupacShakur

He had a gun drawn, why didn't he shoot that dude?

Once again, we have a Call of Duty special forces operative giving his appraisal of the situation.

Once again, the suspect was laying ontop of the victim. If the officer attempted to shoot the suspect, he would have had a very good chance of hitting the victim.

There were like 10 of them! One dude grabbed his pants awkwardly, but that's all they could do? That's pathetic.

There was two of them at first. The officer grabbed his pants to drag him off of the victim so he could either be shot if he did not drop the knife or be subdued and arrested if he did. It was the ONLY rational course of action.

reply to post by areyouserious2010


What would YOU do in said situation? Some of us will actually risk our safety to help the helpless.Others pretend not to see it and scurry on by. Wow you really came in here looking for a row today, didn't ya?

reply to post by blah yada

Actually cops are trained to identify vehicles. Descriptions like "black car" aren't that useful in court. Any well trained cop subconciously notes details like that.

Not in a situation like this. The full focus is on the guy with the knife and what the officer is going to do next.

Anyway it was a joke.Lighten up.Put away your internet pepper spray.

A joke that is mixed in with irrational comments from people who are not joking and are very serious. I apologize for how blunt I am being but I almost have to be to get through to some in this thread.

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

Dude im no cop but just as a human being I would have the compassion to intervene myself even with no gun or billy club or ridiculous badge. Wouldnt you?

It sounds to me like you are an internet tough guy. I am almost certain that if you saw this happening you would either:
1. Pull out your camera phone so you could post it on the internet,
2. Stand there in shock and watch what you only see on television or in the movies,
3. Get the heck outta there

Listen Potse-dont try talking trash to get a rise outta me, not gonna happen.
1.My phone doesnt have a camera.
2.I have actually been in a situation of intervention before in a DV and did intervene.
3.when did I say "get the heck outta here"?
If you like to start trouble, wrong thread, this ones just for big boys and girls

reply to post by blah yada

What would YOU do in said situation? Some of us will actually risk our safety to help the helpless.Others pretend not to see it and scurry on by. Wow you really came in here looking for a row today, didn't ya?

I agree with what the officers did in the video. Who knows what someone WOULD have done. Until one is confronted with the situation, what would have happened is anyone's guess.

You are correct that most would have done nothing.

I am not looking for a fight. I am merely using reason and realism, to point out how ridiculous some people's appraisals are of how the police responded in this instance.

If they can rationally and realistically defend their appraisal on the incident, good on 'em. But what I assume is that we will not be seeing any rational or realistic defense to the negative appraisals.

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by FugitiveSoul

 

I guess police courage only rears its head when people are holding signs or closing bank accounts.

Hey, believe it or not, police do things other than dealing with the misguided youth of the OWS protests. This is one of them. And situations like this happen more often than you think with other officers taking action.

Stop being ridiculous.

Your defense of the NYPD doesn't balance with the absurdity of that video. I'm not only condemning the police, but the actions of anyone present, including the person behind the camera. The lack of "official intervention" is only the most disturbing part of that video, which is why I chose to single it out, especially after the brutality being displayed on the other side of town against less violent "offenders".

~FugitiveSoul

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by TupacShakur

 

He had a gun drawn, why didn't he shoot that dude?

Once again, we have a Call of Duty special forces operative giving his appraisal of the situation.

Once again, the suspect was laying ontop of the victim. If the officer attempted to shoot the suspect, he would have had a very good chance of hitting the victim.

There were like 10 of them! One dude grabbed his pants awkwardly, but that's all they could do? That's pathetic.

There was two of them at first. The officer grabbed his pants to drag him off of the victim so he could either be shot if he did not drop the knife or be subdued and arrested if he did. It was the ONLY rational course of action.

And who said anything bout shooting the man? Is that what you would think of as a first line of defense? How about picking the guy up off of the man, huh, how bout that?

reply to post by AllUrChips

Listen Potse-dont try talking trash to get a rise outta me, not gonna happen.

Potsie? Like the guy from Happy Days? Good one.

1.My phone doesnt have a camera.

I apologize, I assumed that all phones had cameras on them now. Especially phones of people who generally do not like the police so they can take shoddy video of the police and label it police brutality. That is why I gave options though.

2.I have actually been in a situation of intervention before in a DV and did intervene.

Good. You are very heroic if it is in fact true. Unless you can provide some evidence to your claims though they are considered internet bunk. Just like I can say I punched Hitler in the face as I threw myself in front of a moving train to save 10 babies while planting the American flag up Osama bin Laden's hind quarters. I will admit that your's is much more believable, but unless I provide proof that I actually did this you should consider it bunk.

3.when did I say "get the heck outta here"?

You didnt. It was one of the options.

If you like to start trouble, wrong thread, this ones just for big boys and girls

I am not here to start a fight. You missed my point. I am trying to say that your appraisal of what the police did is extremely unrealistic and unreasonable and that leads me to believe no matter what the police do you find fault in it.

reply to post by FugitiveSoul

I'm not only condemning the police, but the actions of anyone present, including the person behind the camera.

If you were condemning the actions of everyone then why didnt you say that? From the context of your post, you appeared to be singling out the police only. Then I would have partly agreed with you. Instead I totally disagreed with you.

The lack of "official intervention" is only the most disturbing part of that video

"Official Intervention" is the only thing that ended that situation. "Official Intervention" that came only 15-20 seconds after the video started. That is 15-20 seconds for the police to realize shooting at the guy is the wrong answer, waiting for a second cop, formulating a plan and then setting that plan into motion that saved the life of the victim but also the suspect and preventing any police officers from being injured. It sounds like the NYPD did an awesome job in this instance.

which is why I chose to single it out, especially after the brutality being displayed on the other side of town against less violent "offenders".

There is no comparison to the events that are happening at the OWS protest. The officers here were justified to kill this guy, unlike the officers at the OWS protest. This guy had a weapon so grabbing him and wrestling him is out of the question unless you have more than one officer. Grabbing a protester because they are under arrest, not for protesting but for breaking another law, is way different. If an officer grabs a protester and that protester does not resist, there is no further use of force. This is depicted in the many videos of officers simply escorting a protester who is under arrest away by the arm. It's in there you just have to look for it.

reply to post by areyouserious2010


yes, that potsie(anson williams) lol
and what appraisal of the officers did I give? I said that the people in the video were yelling for the officers to intervene.
Also, why do I need to provide proof of helping someone out in need. Thats not whats at issue here anyhow? What is your answer to my question now? Would you or would you not say that the police had reasonable time to intervene(not shooting him)and that they probably should have at the very least maybe pulled the guy off several seconds earlier than they did? How can you condone that unless maybe your a dirty cop as well?

reply to post by AllUrChips

And who said anything bout shooting the man?

The guy who I replied to. Which is clearly evident in your quote where Mr. Tupacshakur stated

He had a gun drawn, why didn't he shoot that dude?

Is that what you would think of as a first line of defense?

No. I have clearly stated that, in this situation, trying to shoot the suspect is the wrong answer. I stated that the angle would have severely jeopardized the safety of the victim if the officer decided to shoot. Numerous times.

How about picking the guy up off of the man, huh, how bout that?

That is exactly what they did. If this is what you are arguing for then why do you have any issue with what the police did in the video? What is the point of this thread then?