Open questions to all worshippers of the christian faith

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

If jesus was the true son of god,then why did god allow him to suffer,if you were a parent how can sitting by and watching that happen to your own flesh and blood not be cnsidered evil?

Because that was His plan for redemption. To suffer and die for us, in our place, to become sin and to be judged as sin, therefore God had judged and punished sin. Through Christ our sins can be forgiven us.

edit on 19-10-2011 by NOTurTypical because: spelling issues fixed

so, god made us and then gave us the free will to sin but then he didnt like that we were sinners so he sent an incarnation of himself to earth and then he tortured and killed himself to forgive us?

if i tried to pitch that to anyone with any sense of logic they'd laugh in my face.

"of course, no man can understand the way of the lord"

so then who are you or anyone else to try and preach it?

let god reach me himself if he wants my love so badly.

reply to post by xxblackoctoberxx

if i tried to pitch that to anyone with any sense of logic they'd laugh in my face.

I believe that.


"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18

reply to post by NOTurTypical


quoting the bible is like me quoting one of the stories i wrote when i was 7.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." 1 Sagan 6:66

why believe what you are told with no evidence over believing what can be physically seen and tested?

why is christianity right? why not any other religion?

i suspect that the only reason YOU are right is because it is what YOU personally believe. i don't see how christians can use the close minded argument at all when they live in a tiny world of such limited possibilities


at least science is humble enough to call what we think based on what we can observe, theories, and not instantly claim its the only way it can be because we were taught it as children or read it in a book somewhere. we can actually look at the evidence and see the facts and when we discover something new it can be incorporated to change the theories.

isnt pride a sin? if so, i think christianity is sinning as a whole. i bet they didnt count on science having evolved so much back in the day when the church ruled.. the dark ages. and now that were getting ahold of how things actually work all they can do is hold on to their crazy ideas by preaching FAITH, lest they admit they were wrong and everyone loses faith in the church. the church.. the biggest money making, human controlling scheme ever.

you are afraid of death so you comfort yourself by forcing yourself to believe there is an afterlife and a big father figure in the sky there to comfort you when youre down. you are weak.

i believe in life and the here and now. i enjoy my life for what it is. the universe is beautiful. you may say you enjoy your life but you spend it under the imaginary watchful eye of god trying not to 'sin' and being a weak individual who cant stand on their own. religion is a crutch.

just because you cant comprehend what the 'meaning of life' or the purpose of the universe can be doesnt mean an imaginary, omnipresent, jealous, self conscious god must be the answer.

science religion

...... ok done

but anyways i love you because interacting with another mind is an amazing gift the universe has given me. good night kind sir


p.s. i just re-read this and im sorry for saying 'you' so much. i dont mean you specifically, i just mean IMHO i think religion is for people who are afraid of dying or that they have no significance in life.

Originally posted by ScottishBiker420
Hi, I am answering some of these things because I used to be a Christian, I am no longer one.

If god is everywhere,then why do you have to go to church to speak with god?

You don't have to go to "Church" to speak to God, all you have to do is pray or meditate, to get a real connection.

If god created everyone equal,then why are people born with horrific disfigurations,disabilities and other life changing illness and disease?
I have no idea, it's just the way it is.

If natural disasters are truly an "act of god",then why does god carry out these acts?
"God" doesn't cause natural disasters, the Earth does. God is not in control of anything, we are all in control of our own lives, not some supernatural being, since God is a form of energy why would energy care about lives? It doesn't.

If christianity is based on forgiveness,then why go to confession or try to be good in life if all thats required upon arrival at the pearly gates is a simple sorry?

It's indoctrination, Dogma.

If jesus was the true son of god,then why did god allow him to suffer,if you were a parent how can sitting by and watching that happen to your own flesh and blood not be cnsidered evil?

Because we all must suffer in life, we go through a cycle, birth, life, death, innihilation and rebirth. Jesus with the whole cross thing was just showing us the way that we all must go one way or another. Since Jesus was just a man and not God himself, he chose to show people the true the way as he was chosen to do so.

Let the drama begin!

Originally posted by PosterNutbag
Here's another, if accepting Jesus as your Lord and savoir is the ONLY way to heaven, what about people who never get this message (hear the word of God)? Like tribes in third world countries. What about all the people that were alive before Jesus was born? Did God change the entry rules?

See that is what the "Church" says not Jesus. Jesus says in he bible, the only way to get to the Father is through me, and pointed to his heart, he was telling you how to get to God his father, right? The "Church" just took it the wrong way, I mean I really wish that was the way to get to God it isn't. Just remember the bible is full of symbolism, there was no Adam and Eve as people, those are symbols, not to be interpreted literally.

Originally posted by xxblackoctoberxx
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

quoting the bible is like me quoting one of the stories i wrote when i was 7.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." 1 Sagan 6:66

why believe what you are told with no evidence over believing what can be physically seen and tested?

why is christianity right? why not any other religion?

i suspect that the only reason YOU are right is because it is what YOU personally believe. i don't see how christians can use the close minded argument at all when they live in a tiny world of such limited possibilities


at least science is humble enough to call what we think based on what we can observe, theories, and not instantly claim its the only way it can be because we were taught it as children or read it in a book somewhere. we can actually look at the evidence and see the facts and when we discover something new it can be incorporated to change the theories.

isnt pride a sin? if so, i think christianity is sinning as a whole. i bet they didnt count on science having evolved so much back in the day when the church ruled.. the dark ages. and now that were getting ahold of how things actually work all they can do is hold on to their crazy ideas by preaching FAITH, lest they admit they were wrong and everyone loses faith in the church. the church.. the biggest money making, human controlling scheme ever.

you are afraid of death so you comfort yourself by forcing yourself to believe there is an afterlife and a big father figure in the sky there to comfort you when youre down. you are weak.

i believe in life and the here and now. i enjoy my life for what it is. the universe is beautiful. you may say you enjoy your life but you spend it under the imaginary watchful eye of god trying not to 'sin' and being a weak individual who cant stand on their own. religion is a crutch.

just because you cant comprehend what the 'meaning of life' or the purpose of the universe can be doesnt mean an imaginary, omnipresent, jealous, self conscious god must be the answer.

science

religion

...... ok done

but anyways i love you because interacting with another mind is an amazing gift the universe has given me. good night kind sir


p.s. i just re-read this and im sorry for saying 'you' so much. i dont mean you specifically, i just mean IMHO i think religion is for people who are afraid of dying or that they have no significance in life.

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Look partner, I'm not gonna pull punches on you. Sugar coat or even lie to you about anything ok? Why ? Because I believe in Christ and what he did for me at Calvary. So you can trust me when I say that you're so far gone no one knows where to begin . People believe in Christ because they're afraid of dying ? You are completely backwards. So have a nice rant..

The beginning of wisdom is realising how stupid you really are ...

reply to post by ScottishBiker420

So if god is revealing himself throgh the creation and whatnot,what about when someone evil is created,for exampl did god reveal himself through hitler/other evil dictators....does that therefore mean god is evil???

I'd like to state that for the record this thread is not an attack on christianity,there is jus too many contradictions and what if's for me IMO

The Bible states that "You must be born again." In other words, there is no choice. There are two methods of birth (baptism). You are either baptized into the material world of water or you are reborn into the spirit after birth. Gaining union with the Holy Spirit of God allows salvation from the material world. The Bible is written to all generations because all generations have been here trying to find salvation. Rebirth is the process. Hebrews 9:27 says that a person lives once and then judgement. This is true. The person is the one who lived. The soul lives on. Rarely does anyone go ahead and read on one more verse to 28. We are all waiting on salvation to come as a future event. The Hitlers of the world are not created by God. They create themselves over generations of existence. Hell is reserved for those who take continually and fail to find union in the spirit.

To understand, you need to read John 3. Now that you have the keys of understanding, reread the chapter.

"This does not mean man's distorted interpretations, but what do the "holy" writings teach?...Love, peace, forgiveness, harmony, patience, generousity, humility? "

Lev 20:13 If a man also lies with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be on them.

Now which of the above virtues of Love, peace, forgiveness, harmony, patience, generousity, humility does that cover???


Still waiting????

Also Old testament vs new testament?its still the bible and its still what christianity reads as its "holy book",Jesus why are christians so quick to pick and choose what suits them?

reply to post by ScottishBiker420


Did a three year old ask you these?

Originally posted by ScottishBiker420
Hi all this is my first thread,so if in the wrong section please move mods,

This is a summary of my unanswered questions to all followers of christianity,

If god is everywhere,then why do you have to go to church to speak with god?
[color=cyan] You can communicate thru yourself. Some require extra supports found within the UNTAINTED HOUSES OF WORSHIP OF ALL RELIGIONS[/COLOR]

If god created everyone equal,then why are people born with horrific disfigurations,disabilities and other life changing illness and disease?
[COLOR=CYAN]
LOOK AT THE WORLD, THOSE WHO INHABIT IT RELEASE MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF TOXINS INTO WATER SUPPLY FOOD SUPPLY ON LIVESTOCK AND ON FLORA.. THE FACTORIES ALONE ARE KILLING THE INHABITANTS HERE NOT GOD. THESE TOXINS ARE INGESTED INHALED ABSORBED BY THE POPULATION AND CAN REMAIN GENETICALLY DORMANT UNTIL A LESS STRONGER GENE IS CREATED AND THE TOXINS TAKE EFFECT ON THE NEW BORN INHABITANT OR ELDER who has had their genes weakend. [/COLOR]

If natural disasters are truly an "act of god",then why does god carry out these acts?
[COLOR=CYAN]
ACT OF GOD HMM- SO WHEN GREEN HOUSE GASES ARE TRAPPED FROM DEFORESTING AND FACTORIES POLLUTION (AGAIN*) AND THE DIGGING FOR MINERALS ON AND OFF LAND OIL-NATURAL GAS-COAL-PRECIOUS METALS CIVIL LAND DEVELOPMENT LAND MOVEMENT HAPPENS AND ISN'T REPLENISHED, WHY IS IT OK FOR INHABITANTS TO DESTROY AN EARTH THAT IS SHARED WITH OTHER CREATURES ABOVE LAND BELOW LAND AND IN THE SEA? AND YET THESE WHO INHABIT FEEL THEY CAN DO TO NATURE WHAT THEY WISH NOT CONSIDERING THE ANIMALS WHO AS THEY SAY ARE IN THE WAY. AND DO NOT EXPECT BALANCE SMH I GUESS THE GOM AND RECENT FUKUSHIMA ISSUES CREATED FROM MAN* ARE OK TO DO TO NATURE AND EARTH NATURE RESIDES UPON HUH? THERE MUST BE BALANCE IF HUMANS HARM NATURE EARTH THEN THE NEGATIVE VIBRATIONS MUST BE BALANCED--IT SEEMS MANY HUMANS DISLIKE balance, THIS ASPECT OF THE WHOLE SCHEME OF THINGS AND REMAIN IN A DENIAL/FEAR STATE OF MIND[/COLOR]

If christianity is based on forgiveness,then why go to confession or try to be good in life if all thats required upon arrival at the pearly gates is a simple sorry?
[COLOR=CYAN]
ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE A SIMPLE SORRY

FORGIVENESS IN YES YOU HAVE DONE WRONG IN YOUR 3 DIMENSIONAL LIFE/CLASS ECT. SO RECOGNIZE (BEFORE YOU LEAVE 3D CLASS LIFE ECT.) AND CHANGE YOUR WAYS /FREQUENCY/ VIBRATIONS THAT EFFECT NATURE TO ASSIST YOUR SPECIES AND NATURE.
BUT TO THINK IT MEANS YOU CAN GO THRU LIFE AND DO ANYTHING *NEGATIVE YOU WANT TO OTHERS W/ NO REGARDS AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WAIT TILL YOU GO TO ANOTHER PLAIN (NON3D UNLESS RECAPTURED INTO NEW 3D SOUL MATERIAL) IN THE LIFE AND DEATH PHASES OF EXISTENCE AND SAY SORRY IS SELFISH. IF THAT WAS THE CASE YOU WOULD LEARN NOTHING IN LIFE/CLASS/ 3D ECT.[/COLOR]

If jesus was the true son of god,then why did god allow him to suffer,if you were a parent how can sitting by and watching that happen to your own flesh and blood not be cnsidered evil?

[COLOR=CYAN]1 DOES'NT THINK THE LAMB IS A TOTAL 3 DIMENSIONAL FLESH AND BLOOD BEING. TO ADD WHEN YOU FIND OUT YOU CHILD HAS TO GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN HOW TO SWIM KNOWING THE DANGERS INVOLVED DO YOU STOP THEM FROM LEARNING TO SWIM OR LET THEM LEARN. JESUS IS SAID TO POSSESS THE KEYS TO LIFE AND DEATH SO DEATH TO YOU WHO FEAR ISN'T THE SAME TO THE LAMB. ALSO IF YOU KNOW YOUR CHILDS GOING TO MAKE IT OUT OF THE POOL SAFE AS DID GOD WITH HIS SON THEN..... IN REALITY GOD DIDN'T SEE HIS SON DYING HE MAY HAVE SEEN IT AS OK SON YOU CAN GO AND SEE FIRST HAND WHAT SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE-I WARN YOU SON SOME MAY TRY TO SEND YOU BACK FASTER THEN EXPECTED BUT YOU WILL BE OK WHEN YOU MAKE IT BACK TO THIS PLAIN OF EXISTENCE. SON SAYS OK DAD I WILL TRY NOT TO LET THEM BUT IF THEY DO I WILL SEE YOU SOON.. YOUR VIEWING IT FROM A FEARFUL HUMAN OR 3DIMENSIONAL PERSPECTIVE
NAMASTE*******[/COLOR]

Let the drama begin!

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Originally posted by ScottishBiker420
"This does not mean man's distorted interpretations, but what do the "holy" writings teach?...Love, peace, forgiveness, harmony, patience, generousity, humility? "

Lev 20:13 If a man also lies with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be on them.

Now which of the above virtues of Love, peace, forgiveness, harmony, patience, generousity, humility does that cover???


Still waiting????

Also Old testament vs new testament?its still the bible and its still what christianity reads as its "holy book",Jesus why are christians so quick to pick and choose what suits them?

edit on 19/10/2011 by ScottishBiker420 because: (no reason given)

He who is of God hear's Gods words. John 8:47

Funny you left out justice, righteous, jealous, wrathful, judgement, Can you possibly think about the rights you would possess over all creation if you were capable of creating it ? Which I''m sure you are in your own mind ?

Originally posted by ScottishBiker420
"This does not mean man's distorted interpretations, but what do the "holy" writings teach?...Love, peace, forgiveness, harmony, patience, generousity, humility? "

Lev 20:13 If a man also lies with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be on them.

Now which of the above virtues of Love, peace, forgiveness, harmony, patience, generousity, humility does that cover???


Still waiting????

[COLOR=CYAN]
GENETICS EVOLUTION*** MAN CANNOT MAKE MORE MAN WITH ANOTHER MAN???? MAYBE WITH TECHNOLOGY ASSISTING BUT THAT ISNT NATURAL. MANY TURN IT INTO SOMETHING DUE TO FEAR OF DOING WRONG THINGS SO YOU TRY AND MAKE GOD LOOK BAD. TAKE A PLANET FULL OF MEN WHO SLEEP WITH MEN MEN AND A PLANET FULL OF WOMEN WHO SLEEP WITH WOMEN PLACE THEM IN ORBIT AROUND A STAR LIKE SOL FOR SAY 1000 YEARS AND REVISIT. OH AND NO TECHNOLOGY TO ASSIST THEIR REPRODUCTION, SO WHAT IS THERE IN 1000 YEARS WHAT IS THERE IN 250 YEARS SMH? A GENETIC FAIL TEST NO NEW SPIRITS ENTERING THE 3D SPHERE THEY INHABIT NOTHING JUST GENETICS GOING WILD W/ NO WAY TO PROGRESS..[/COLOR]

Originally posted by ScottishBiker420
Hi all this is my first thread,so if in the wrong section please move mods,

This is a summary of my unanswered questions to all followers of christianity,

If god is everywhere,then why do you have to go to church to speak with god?

If god created everyone equal,then why are people born with horrific disfigurations,disabilities and other life changing illness and disease?

If natural disasters are truly an "act of god",then why does god carry out these acts?

If christianity is based on forgiveness,then why go to confession or try to be good in life if all thats required upon arrival at the pearly gates is a simple sorry?

If jesus was the true son of god,then why did god allow him to suffer,if you were a parent how can sitting by and watching that happen to your own flesh and blood not be cnsidered evil?

Let the drama begin!

First, what defines a Christian? Another way of asking I guess is how do YOU define a Christian.

I believe in Jesus...does that mean I am Christian?

One does not have to go to church to speak with/to God.

Illness and disease is in my opinion a cause and effect from our choices (collectively through out life times) and God does not create someone to die...period. We live on....

Not so sure an act of nature can be placed on God either. Again, cause and effect.

I don't think Jesus is the only Son of God, whereas we are all his children. I think Jesus is a manifestation of the Word of God. In this life many people lay their life on the line for another and this is the act of Jesus....setting the cause and effect straight and showing their pure love for their brother/sister.

Above is my view point from where I stand and experienced and learned, however it does not make it right.

Personal story:

My step son whom I was very close to fell ill and passed after a long battle with Leukemia. After 5 years of suffering he went home (our true home). I was younger than my husband (at the time) by 12 years and this was a horrific experience no matter the age but I had a lot to learn about life and death in my early twenties. I began to read and it became a sort of addiction. I had attended church for fellowship, yet never felt comfortable with the teachings. One minister told me death is a mystery while another told me it was something my husband may have done in his past that caused Joshua to suffer and die. The boy was only 10 when diagnosed and 15 when he passed, I read about ten books a week for five years, Never wanting to come outside to see the fresh blooms.....a hermit.....determined to KNOW where Josh was and why this happened. It has been almost 12 years since he passed and just last year I chose to go to church with a friend who just so happen to lose his life in the TN flood last year. I went with him to church a few times but the first time I went with him, was the first time back at a church since 1999!

The preacher was really cool, they had a band....really cool music. The eating was good as they served breakfast....just loved this place. I for the first time felt comfortable.

The preacher had on jeans with some cool holes in them and he looked in style. He told stories as his sermons that summed up the scripture he was focused on.

This story he told was something I needed to hear and I can honestly say it was no coincidence....I was in awe and not only that...very emotional when hearing the story he told.

He had a picture of this kid in high school up on the big screen on both sides of the church, with his football uniform on and the boy had recently passed. The family was there as he talked to them in the front row while telling this story.

The story:

A man took his only child ...his son to work with him. The father worked on fairy that lifted and came down to allow trains to pass by without any harm. The son went underneath the lift and was playing. The father warned him of the danger and told him to come above it so he would not get hurt. The boy kept playing, he did not hear his father. As a train with many people approached (soon after the fathers plea) the father called for his son yelling of the danger ....his son still did not hear. As the father yelled even louder for the boy to come....he continued to play. The father had to make a choice.... either save the many people or trap and kill his only son. At the last minute his eyes met his sons eyes as if the boy was asking him why he is lowering the lift as it will kill him. The father knew the boy did not understand the bigger picture but sadly he could not kill the hundreds of people on the train. He lowered the lift and his son died.

Depending on which angle you look from...this story can be looked at many ways and we do not always see the bigger picture. Only when the veil is lifted will we know the bigger picture of life's mysteries. We can however seek the answers to the mysteries and try our best to make sense of them

I wanted to also add that from the story you can see that even though someone yells danger....you may not hear. You may be too involved in the moment to listen to a heeded call.

You can also look at it as a man murdered his only son.

One can even say that he saved many lives with the loss of one life.

No matter how you look at it, there is always another perspective.

There is a bigger picture that we may not see, but that does not mean our view is either right or wrong.

Originally posted by xxblackoctoberxx
so, god made us and then gave us the free will to sin

Let's keep this simple shall we my friend?

Who is your accuser?

Who accuses YOU of Sin?

Don't answer for anyone.

Let them come forward and declare it themselves.

Can anyone come forward and accuse this person of Sin?

Let he who has not Sinned come forward to cast the first stone.

With Love,

Your Brother

I would love to answer your questions here, most of your questions posted here are simply based out of your lack of understanding and reading of scripture. All of these issues have been asked before and the answers are there....so with all this said. I dont honestly think you are interested in an answer at all, im feeling your simply going to fire back with smart remarks that wont really bring any conclusions to this debate, and if im wrong, and your honestly looking for an answer or two...send me a message and I would be more than happy to shed some light into these questions.

But, again I think your not really wanting an answer and are simply looking for a soapbox to declare your hatred of the Christian religion, but I may be wrong....so please prove me wrong and I will be checking my message box.

I think this sums up Christianity,although everyone trying to defend this religion has NO real proof for any of it's claim makes me hold back from asking questions NONE of you can or will answer.

reply to post by KINGOFPAIN


lol wow I love your tolerant approach to diverse belief systems there.

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
I would love to answer your questions here, most of your questions posted here are simply based out of your lack of understanding and reading of scripture. All of these issues have been asked before and the answers are there....so with all this said. I dont honestly think you are interested in an answer at all, im feeling your simply going to fire back with smart remarks that wont really bring any conclusions to this debate, and if im wrong, and your honestly looking for an answer or two...send me a message and I would be more than happy to shed some light into these questions.

But, again I think your not really wanting an answer and are simply looking for a soapbox to declare your hatred of the Christian religion, but I may be wrong....so please prove me wrong and I will be checking my message box.

that's the magic of this religion,thereis no answer to any of the questions only interpretations of the person understandings of what they are reading.not every Christians understanding of the bible is the same hence the numerous denominations of the religion.
however you think you make the bible bend to that thinking,no matter how obscure the thinking is...(cough)Branch Davidians(cough)

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
reply to post by KINGOFPAIN

 

lol wow I love your tolerant approach to diverse belief systems there.

i despise all religions