I had been deceived - My visit to an OWS protest

Originally posted by mydarlia
Please don't flame me, I was going to go to the protest in Sacramento, but on the news when they asked these guys what the agenda was, the guys both said it would be revealed in due time.

Only my opinion but if people are just protesting to say they are doing it, but yet they know not why, doesn't it weaken the true message the protest is supposed to be sending?..or am I missing something?

Never join a movement that isn't right up front with it's agenda.

If it has to be hidden until "revealed in due time", the odds are you're not going to like what is revealed - otherwise it wouldn't be hidden just to get "converts".

reply to post by Misoir


Great post S&F for you OP!

Someone who actually took the time and got out of the arm chair to see what OWS is about. The sheer ignorance and propaganda being regurgitated by the Media and even some of the tools here on ATS about OWS is appalling. You seen what i seen, my own two eyes people of all walks of life finding common ground standing up for what is right. Maybe this wont change a thing as far as these criminal enterprises within our country operate "The Banks and Wall Street" but awareness is spreading like the plague. We forgot who we were, what we are capable of.

The one thing they wanted to take from us over all was our minds and our hearts... the rest is as follows once they have that. our homes, our Jobs our way of life. The insatiable greed will be what leads to their demise. The balance of things have been offset and basically THEY have eaten themselves in to extinction. They cant take all that coin to Hades with them and they never take the time to understand this. No it wont be us the 99% that goes quietly in to the night and they know it. Hence the desperate and obvious damge control they have been orchestrating... police brutality, Bloomberg abusing his power and infinging on our right IN THE OPEN FOR ALL TO SEE!

This will either lead to a open policy of a police state "they do whatever they feel like who is to stop them" attitude. Given the audacity and utter arrogance of the puppet masters would come to no shock. And people just keep taking it until something gives. End the Fed would be one scenario among others. Possibly take them out by force. Violence... blood gets the wheels of revolution turning.

OR


They attempt a Hail Mary and use a some sort of false flag attack like a nuclear assault of the protesters claiming a terrorist or extremist was behind it. Then everyone goes back to being scarred again and they win. Just look at the alleged Iran bomb plot ... ahh yes perfect timing.

Either way things are about to get real interesting. The good news is we are winning : our minds and hearts back. What comes next we shall see.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


ocuupy DC is the only one I had the pleasure of meeting up close....there where hippies...drum circles ect. it was even more sickening To see the 'baby boomers' gtfo and leave their junior to get pepper sprayed when they smelled a hint of trouble in the air...sleeze bags!

on the other hand I remember saying occupy Hartford (CT) I am from CT was more like NYC occupy....a little better behaved, dedicated, and more of a message, they need way better coordination if they want to secede....oh that's right....most are going home for the winter and never comming back to protest!

reply to post by Misoir


Thank you for your objectivity on the matter. It is refreshing to see such honesty, where you could have easily just lied about what you saw.More than that it's encouraging.
S&F

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by mydarlia

 

The occupy protesters (at least where I'm at) do not trust the corporate media, and don't want to give the pundits talking points with which they can bash and smear the movements.

The media is going to twist words by allowing YOU to say what OWS stands for on THEIR dime - bu giving YOU a platform to speak YOUR words? I'm not seeing how that works - how are they going to bash and smear what YOU say, as it comes out of your own mouth, unless what you have to say (in this case a simple statement of goals) is thoroughly bashable and smearable?

At least they aren't hiding it anymore. Moveon.org is admitting they are organizing some of the Occupy protests. I think that pretty much clears it up that this is simply an attempt at a Bolshevik revolution by a bunch of Socialist, Communists and Anarchists.

Denver Post Article

Hundreds of people with the Occupy Boulder movement marched through downtown Saturday, carrying signs and expressing their frustration with corporate greed and the poor economy.

"Our country is hurting because of the lack of jobs. Students are paying way too much money for tuition," said Theresa Crater, 60, a professor at Metropolitan State College of Denver. "The sixties are back. Suddenly something happens and everyone gets it."

The Occupy Boulder rally was organized by the recently formed Boulder chapter of the progressive group MoveOn.org and was part of the Occupy Wall Street movement that has spread across the nation.

Organizers said about 700 people attended the march; a Camera reporter and photographer estimated about 300 to 500 were present. Boulder police said they didn't bulk up their presence for the march and did not have an estimate.

For more on this story go to www.dailycamera.com

This cartoon hits the nail on the head.

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


Any party can join OWS with some sort of agenda, but that does not amount to a grain of salt. The over all message is clear and is not about POLITICS! Get that through your brain, it is simple. It is NOT about your politics, Obamas politics and clearly is not a Bolshevik Revolution. The OP's thread clearly demonstrates that. I feel sorry for anyone who buys such tripe. This is not a one entity movement, However your agenda is clear. This is more subterfuge, you can simply walk down town yourself and wave a sign with Republican name here__________ and then i can claim "ohhh lawdy look this is a GOP convention" lol.



Point - Moot

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


Walks like a duck.
Quacks like a duck.
Has feathers like a duck.
Hangs out with other ducks.

It's a duck. You can try to lie and tell people it's not a duck, but it's a duck.

Nancy Pelosi supports it.
Obama supports it.
Was created by adbusters.org.
Michael Moore supports it.
Moveon.org supports it.

D - U - C - K!!!!!!!!

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


Actually according to the e-mails obtained here they reached out to Michael Moore.

owsmail.dc406.com...

I recommend everybody reads these e-mails.

If you think this is "non-political" and has "nothing to do with the left" you are sorely mistaken.

reply to post by projectvxn


Exactly! They're tying to spin it as some "non-partisan" protest, but in the end, it's a movement from the far-far-far left wackos.

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


Yeah.. OF COURSE Obama supports it. It would be political suicide not to support a movement that a large portion of American can relate to and almost all young people relate to. DUH. Doesn't mean they support Obama. Actually the opposite. I have seen tons of anti-Obama signs at the protests.

Never seen someone kiss up to someone that doesn't like them? It happens all the time.

reply to post by projectvxn


No, you are sorely mistaken.
People attach themselves to movements in hopes that it will help their agenda. This is non partisan, just because more liberal and young people are showing up at the protests does not mean it is left leaning. I actually have a picture snapped by a friend that I have posted in several threads here of a guy with dreadlocks holding a sign that says "when Obama said change, I didn't know that's all we'd have left" at an occupy protest. A guy with dreads holding and anti-obama sign at an occupy protest and not one person argued with him about it. It was a general consensus there that the current government and two party system are just as much to blame as wall street.

P.S. OP I gave you your 100th flag. It was deserved.

cool beans, I like this thread, it is very humbling. s&f

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

Walks like a duck.
Quacks like a duck.
Has feathers like a duck.
Hangs out with other ducks.

It's a duck. You can try to lie and tell people it's not a duck, but it's a duck.

Nancy Pelosi supports it.
Obama supports it.
Was created by adbusters.org.
Michael Moore supports it.
Moveon.org supports it.

D - U - C - K!!!!!!!!

Maybe more republicans should support it? Hence it must be "socialist democrats" until some prominent republican supports it right? What if ATS supports it? does that make it a conspiracy theorist movement then?

See what i did there?

This is black and white thinking

Obama did not organize it and has been quite mum for someone you claim supports it
Pelosi ? She must be behind it right?

Micheal Moore supports it, he shows up days after it started so what?

occupywallst.org... organized it, Moveon? FOX news much?

Ron Paul supports it hence no longer "socialist" movement hence your claims are contradiction. Now it is a Ron paul thing ohh wait



If i join the tea party then i must be a republican derp

Smoke and Mirrors


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reply to post by Unknown Soldier

Maybe more republicans should support it? Hence it must be "socialist democrats" until some prominent republican supports it right? What is ATS supports it? does that make it a conspiracy theorist movement then?

See what i did there?

This is black and white thinking

No it isn't, it is convoluted logic. Who cares what political party is supporting it? All that matters is what is this protest about, and what is the goal? Is there a goal? Is there even a strategy outside of making noise and "waking people up"? Is there an end game, or is the non black and white thinking that it doesn't matter what the consequences are, only the moment?

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I noted that it is possible the protesters here in my city are quite different from elsewhere, that is why I do not support the movement even know entirely but am sympathetic to it and do not view the participants as a hive of hippie communists.

Look at this member and his impression...


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Making this group look like mixed nuts is a way to incite fear, ultimately it is a way to create
opposition so it is virtually impossible to create change. OWS is not some disgusting or extreme
movement, it is a populist movement, it is a reaction, not without a catalyst.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

Maybe more republicans should support it? Hence it must be "socialist democrats" until some prominent republican supports it right? What is ATS supports it? does that make it a conspiracy theorist movement then?

See what i did there?

This is black and white thinking

No it isn't, it is convoluted logic. Who cares what political party is supporting it? All that matters is what is this protest about, and what is the goal? Is there a goal? Is there even a strategy outside of making noise and "waking people up"? Is there an end game, or is the non black and white thinking that it doesn't matter what the consequences are, only the moment?

For it so be a political movement it would have a list of goals, therefore it would be clear and quite easy to point out the agenda of said political party if that was the case. There is no clear list of goals it is protesting for the sake of the people being robbed by Wall Street, the Bankers. However it is so muddled with so many people from different walks of life, political party ect there are so many messages being thrown at Wall street and these Institutions there is confusion. There is nothing cut and dry about a political agenda. If anything the people are demanding compensation/ the money that was given to these banks and wall street during the bail out be returned or something that would punish the opposition. Over all this is awareness and a powder keg that has been building up over time due to several factors. People see it and decide "hey im going to join and bring some new ideas of my own" does not sound like a organized political movement.

Me thinks of Anonymnous

No leaders

No organization

It is chaos that can not be controlled

Just an idea, ideas snowballing from it

people with a voice simply just that

It is what is called Karma, it's been a long time coming

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Exactly! They're tying to spin it as some "non-partisan" protest, but in the end, it's a movement from the far-far-far left wackos.

That's bull... That is what the media is saying

People are angry and they are out there expressing it, it is partisan only in the fact that
you are demanding that it is partisan.

More than a few Ron Paul supporters have been at all three events I have been to, Ron Paul is
hardly far X3 left

Originally posted by projectvxn
I'm reading through the OWS organizer e-mails right now.

People quoting Che and telling others not to denounce any violence or property damage that may occur. People advocating lying to the media or simply being obtuse. They were setting up training courses for civil disobedience.

If anything this whole movement looks completely engineered from the top.

And everyone is eating it up like the good little sheep they are.

No go ahead and protest Wall St.

If you wanted Glass Steagall passed you would protest Washington.

But go ahead, protest Wall St.

If you wanted debt based derivatives banned you should be protesting Washington.

But go ahead and protest Wall St.

If you wanted to end the wars you should be protesting Washington.

But go ahead and protest Wall St.

If you wanted a fair tax structure representative of everyone you would be advocating a flat tax and you would have to do that in Washington.

The source of class warfare in this country isn't Wall St. It isn't capitalism. It isn't money. And it isn't even the banks. Its WASHINGTON.

Here is the link to the OWS e-mails. I haven't read them all yet. But I've read enough of them.

owsmail.dc406.com...

This whole protest stinks of leftist ideology and I will have nothing to do with it.

edit on 15-10-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

well well well, so the glorious ( see mood ) one you are does not like people protesting against this crazy becoming society ???? you would like them when they go and protest in Washington, but not when they protest in Wall Street ??!! may I ask why ? what is the difference please ?? protesting against the powers and the bankers manipulating the markets and the people, what is wrong with that ?? I try to understand what kind of man you are, you glorious soul !! so glorious that you even cann't understand the thousands of young and old people around the world trying to fight for a better society !! not only in USA but also in Syria, in Japan, in Lybia, in in in .... Don't you want a better world for your wife and your children ?? maybe you prefer a world like it is now because all the money you have owned will soon be worthless or stolen by the greedy or just faded away by devaluation or big inflationism ... why protest in Washington ??? did you protest in Washington when the other one up there, what was his name again, oh yes the Bushy manipulator, was in office ? did you protest when BP oil spill was occuring ? do you protest against Monsanto and their crazy and patenting manipulation of our food ?? I didn't hear you protesting ....
but I clearly see where you come from you just want to bash Obama and the Dems, because you are so afraid like a little boy, oh you glorious little boy is afraid of the leftists hahahahahaha what a shame for a big strong amercian citizen, I thought they were never afraid of anything .....
afraid of the leftists ..... let me
but not afraid of the neo-cons, not afraid of those crazy corporations like BP ( oil spill ) Monsanto and so much others that are killing our economy because too much concentration and power, not afraid of the greedy bankers ( remember Madof ?? subprime crisis etc .. ), not afraid of the killing of my/our/your nature around, the air and the water, the food and the animals, the oceans and the forests .... come on, you are just a naive glorious defender of the powerfull ..... peace and love ! hahahaha

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3

 

Actually according to the e-mails obtained here they reached out to Michael Moore.

owsmail.dc406.com...

I recommend everybody reads these e-mails.

If you think this is "non-political" and has "nothing to do with the left" you are sorely mistaken.

How do you know that these emails are not concocted from the opposition you are in sync with?

This is two threads from popular conservatives here on ATS who say similar things, don't you
trust them? Why would they lie to you?

www.abovetopsecret.com...