I had been deceived - My visit to an OWS protest

Originally posted by SelfSustainedLoner
reply to post by Sunlionspirit

 

The person behind the OP and the username is that of a media source. Posting, only to view peoples opinions too be used in whatever story they may write.

ok !

Originally posted by SelfSustainedLoner
reply to post by Sunlionspirit

 

The person behind the OP and the username is that of a media source. Posting, only to view peoples opinions too be used in whatever story they may write.

didn't know .. is it that way going up there ? never mind ! better they know about OUR views than knowing only about the middle-age view of the powers in place ...
we are not afraid of telling the truth, they are just only afraid of loosing $$$$$$$$

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Again with the lack of reading comprehension. I don't know why I argue with you if you can't understand what I am saying. I said WORK ENVIRONMENT. I did propose a way to fix it. I do have a job and I am not protesting not having jobs. I don't know what you are talking about with that protesting bit, that isn't why people are protesting if you are talking about OWS. You babble on for eternity about this socialist stuff. You are obsessed with it. You must be left over from the red scare because you fear socialism/communism with a fervor.

Reread my original post until you understand it. I made a suggestion that you and everyone else in America should absolutely agree with. Tax imports from countries that go over seas. That will bring jobs back and keep them from leaving and people in America that work them can maintain the safe work environment AND keep decent wages. What part of that sounds like a bad idea to you?

Also, what on Earth are you talking about with the government giving stuff away? I have no idea where you got that or why you said it to me? Then you go on with the craziest part about the US controlling China.. WHAT?! That doesn't even make sense.

Every American citizen should take part of the OWS movement. This is our time and our moment to stand up against the oppressive force and the corporate takeover. This is our time. The time is now.

Go occupy my friends. Go occupy and show that you are pissed off.

If you're not pissed off at Wall Street, then you have no sense of reality.

Wow even I didn't expect the amount of fear and disinformation that OWS would stimulate. Or has my assessment of US paranoia towards left of centre politics been severely underestimated!

Jaw dropping stuff.......and most of you are armed!

reply to post by Sunlionspirit


Oh brother! Did I hit a landmine with you....you sure exploded into little bits everywhere. You must be a big Union person. Demonizing the company. I would like to bring business back home, and people like you are bent on forcing more business abroad with taxes and regulations.

You can just jolly well take your own advice.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I noted that it is possible the protesters here in my city are quite different from elsewhere, that is why I do not support the movement even know entirely but am sympathetic to it and do not view the participants as a hive of hippie communists.

Look at this member and his impression...


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Making this group look like mixed nuts is a way to incite fear, ultimately it is a way to create
opposition so it is virtually impossible to create change. OWS is not some disgusting or extreme
movement, it is a populist movement, it is a reaction, not without a catalyst.

Don't think I have forgotten how the media, the President, and Janet Napolitano condemned the Tea Party.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Again with the lack of reading comprehension. I don't know why I argue with you if you can't understand what I am saying. I said WORK ENVIRONMENT. I did propose a way to fix it. I do have a job and I am not protesting not having jobs. I don't know what you are talking about with that protesting bit, that isn't why people are protesting if you are talking about OWS. You babble on for eternity about this socialist stuff. You are obsessed with it. You must be left over from the red scare because you fear socialism/communism with a fervor.

Reread my original post until you understand it. I made a suggestion that you and everyone else in America should absolutely agree with. Tax imports from countries that go over seas. That will bring jobs back and keep them from leaving and people in America that work them can maintain the safe work environment AND keep decent wages. What part of that sounds like a bad idea to you?

Also, what on Earth are you talking about with the government giving stuff away? I have no idea where you got that or why you said it to me? Then you go on with the craziest part about the US controlling China.. WHAT?! That doesn't even make sense.

edit on 16-10-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Babbling huh? Let's go back and look at what you posted?

t's the big companies that are bad for not wanting the work environment to be safe, and the wages to be fair. It's basically a loophole which needs to be rectified by taxing imports so that regulations, labor unions, and etc don't look so bad.

So, you are suggesting that the reason companies are no longer in the States is that they were environmentally unsafe and therefore had to be regulated out of existence. Now they are in China and many other places. Companies move to avoid excessive taxation, so now to fix that you want import tariffs. Good move. That may stop other companies from leaving the US if they still want to sell to Americans, but it won't bring anybody back home unless you give other incentives like reducing capital gains tax and other regulations. By the way, one of the OWS demands is $20.00/hr minimum wage. That'll really bring the business and jobs back home huh!
In addition, you are saying that import tariffs will make labor unions and regulations look better? Is that like some kind of business beer goggles?


So wow more taxes....that govt benefits from....

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


NO THAT ISN"T WHAT I SAID!
Not environmentally unsafe. Unsafe work environment. As in regulations that keep workers from being hurt in their work environment.

Geeze, get with it! Those safety regulations are GOOD and also part of the reason companies leave the U.S. so they don't have to adhere to them.

Yes taxing the imports would bring them back home because it would then make it cheaper or at least the same to have the companies here. So even if the production costs were equaled out and the same for companies here and abroad just being an American company will help the brand and also not having more companies leave is important.

And no.. 20$/hr minimum wage is not one of the OWS demands. Turn off the conservative radio and fox news.
Use your brain please.

(side note: also, even though I wasn't talking about them, having some environmental regulations are important, ask the Chinese. They have hardly any (if any) and they are ultra polluted. Is that what you want? Total pollution of our country? In a few years they will have to have the same regulations.Lol you go around calling everyone a socialist while you share ideals with communists lol see how is it is to flip?)

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

NO THAT ISN"T WHAT I SAID!
Not environmentally unsafe. Unsafe work environment. As in regulations that keep workers from being hurt in their work environment.

Geeze, get with it! Those safety regulations are GOOD and also part of the reason companies leave the U.S. so they don't have to adhere to them.

Yes it would bring them back home because it would then make it cheaper or at least the same to have the companies here. So even if the cost was equal just being an American company will help the brand and also not having more companies leave is important.

And no.. 20$/hr minimum wage is not one of the OWS demands. Turn off the conservative radio and fox news.
Use your brain please.

edit on 16-10-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Steel toed safety shoes keep workers safe. So do helmets for arc welders. Last I checked HyTest safety shoes have not sent businesses overseas. By the way, I used to file Material Safety Data Sheets.

And yes 20 dollar min wage IS a demand. I never heard it on fox for the record, I found it on one of the OWS blog sites.....


Total pollution of our country ? No of course not. But why is the environmental movement targeting the US? Why are we the target of their campaign to reduce CO2?


Here's an example of ineffective regulations
sanityinjection.wordpress.com...

www.martinezgazette.com...
voices.washingtonpost.com...

of course Democrats like to bluster about talking about how removing regulations will bring back child labor....

Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by Misoir

 

Good that you finally saw the truth.


Though the fact that you imply that socialism is a bad thing is a bit troubling. The McCarthy era propaganda still has a strong hold on people's minds.

Any economic system or ideology that requires you to pay for my mistakes is inherently immoral. This movement advocates that economic system and ideology.

/TOA

reply to post by Misoir


Yes sir it was an awakening wasn't it to find out that the 99% are the ordinary citizens.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow




You didn't know?


Apparently we are all Socialist Obama Supporter, Union people, Anarchists and blah blah blah

You are not the only one being subjected to this mind numbing stupidity

reply to post by Misoir

Anyway as I ventured into the crowd of differing faces something struck me immediately. There were no drum circle hippies, tie dye pot hits, barefoot guitarists, face painting stands, orgies, or even any real hostility between participants. As I wandered through the crowd I listened to the chatter of college kids about the high cost of tuition or to my satisfaction, Ron Paul and ending the Fed, to talk of the two party duopoly and its control over us all. I did not see these numerous hippies that were told to me on the news, there were no people waving socialist flags/banners, none of this was there. Sure there were a few people talking about bringing down capitalism but it was not like they dominated the crowd.

So much for the cliams by the NeoCon Radio talk show hosts and the cliam that the protesters are all hippies i guess this disapprove sean hannity theory after two weeks he kept claiming that the OWS Protesters are Obamas stooges and that they are anti american?

I would love it if this backfires at cain, Star and Flag.

the government has repeatedly denied him Social Security Disability even after the documentation by his doctor of his serious seizure problems (forgot the name of the disease/disorder). At the same time he said that his neighbor is receiving government assistance but is perfectly healthy, the man just complains about his knee, anxiety, and anger issues.

reply to post by Misoir


That's normal. Tell your neighbor that he will need to hire a lawyer in order to get disability. Lawyers run ads on TV about fighting for social security disability. At the earliest, it takes 3 years to start receiving a check. They always turn you down initially. I've watched people suffer through the process. Fortunately, they had families that paid their bills, so they could eat and have shelter. I think that has something to do with why people are scared of losing their disability. It's a real money saver for the government too. Many die or lose their minds waiting.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3

 

Actually according to the e-mails obtained here they reached out to Michael Moore.

owsmail.dc406.com...

I recommend everybody reads these e-mails.

If you think this is "non-political" and has "nothing to do with the left" you are sorely mistaken.

How do you know that these emails are not concocted from the opposition you are in sync with?

This is two threads from popular conservatives here on ATS who say similar things, don't you
trust them? Why would they lie to you?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My concern isn't the protesters. My concern is who is organizing them, paying for them and WHY.

The fact that you people don't ask these questions is far more disturbing.

Originally posted by Misoir
This morning I decided to take some of my free time and went down to the ‘Occupy’ in my town. There I was skepticism in hand and pessimism of the people participating. For weeks the Occupy Wall Street movement has been growing, now it is not only in New York City but all across America and spreading across the world. Can you believe that Americans started protesting then people around the world took notice?

Anyway as I ventured into the crowd of differing faces something struck me immediately. There were no drum circle hippies, tie dye pot hits, barefoot guitarists, face painting stands, orgies, or even any real hostility between participants. As I wandered through the crowd I listened to the chatter of college kids about the high cost of tuition or to my satisfaction, Ron Paul and ending the Fed, to talk of the two party duopoly and its control over us all. I did not see these numerous hippies that were told to me on the news, there were no people waving socialist flags/banners, none of this was there. Sure there were a few people talking about bringing down capitalism but it was not like they dominated the crowd.

There was a nice older man there in a wheel chair that asked what brought me to the protest, I told him that I was skeptical of OWS and just wanted to see exactly what goes on at one of the protests. He told me that there was nothing left for him just sitting at home, the government has repeatedly denied him Social Security Disability even after the documentation by his doctor of his serious seizure problems (forgot the name of the disease/disorder). At the same time he said that his neighbor is receiving government assistance but is perfectly healthy, the man just complains about his knee, anxiety, and anger issues.

A few other people talked briefly to me but I left the protest about two hours after visiting. I left embarrassed and rather ashamed, to be honest. All this time I had been calling them welfare-addicts, hand-out lovers, lazy bums, socialist/communists, and all the names under the rainbow. But when I left it gave me an entirely new opinion of them. Sure there are a few nuts there, aren’t there nuts everywhere? Point is the crowd was overwhelmingly civil and while most were left-oriented there was still a large segment who was End the Fed types.

My conservative friends do not listen to what they say on TV or in conservative online media both mainstream and alternative. The protesters, at least the ones in my city, were very much different from what I had expected and what the conservative news outlets had said. Just as you would tell a liberal to visit a Tea Party rally to understand who they are and what they believe, you should do the same with OWS.

This does not mean that I am entirely a OWS backer, rather now I do not have a negative view of the movement, but am still very conservative and not exactly a protest type of person. Some in the crowd still deserve criticism because they are a bit excessive but the media intentionally picks these people and pretends like they represent everyone there. It reminds me of how the media jumped on any ignorant Tea Party protesters waving a sign with misspelled letters and tried to act like that is what the Tea Party was made up of. Neither is true, do not trust that media. If they show an interview of a OWS’er turn off the TV, it is not worth rotting your brain with.

edit on 10/15/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)

Interesting. You mean the Tea Party ISN'T full of bigotted white people as the media portrays...

reply to post by Misoir


Thanks for posting. I have been out of touch with any news for a while now and don't know anything about OWS... not sure I want to know any more. But it was good to read your assessment.

Originally posted by projectvxn
If anything this whole movement looks completely engineered from the top.

And everyone is eating it up like the good little sheep they are.

The EXACT same thing could be said about the Tea Party.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


This is exactly why I WANT THE UNIONS to stay the hell away from us protesters!!!

I support the original intent/basic purpose of unions, but unfortunately most have become just as corrupt, greedy, and short-sighted as the politicians/bankers/corporations/MSM.

THIS IS ABOUT
HUMANITY...
about standing up for what's right.

You're severely misinformed* if you think otherwise
*STOP WATCHING THE IDIOTS ON FOXnews! sidenote- though, i do like Greta and Shepard. they're cool

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Could it?

I'm not so sure.

Seems to me that the TP candidates that were elected are sticking to their fiscally conservative guns.

I believe this movement is being engineered to cause social unrest and even riots and revolution.

Like with the Tea Party, I've done my due diligence. Only with this group I have found much I simply don't like.

It seems to me that people here, for a conspiracy site, are all too willing to trust and follow without asking pertinent questions.

Who is funding this? Who is organizing this? WHY?

Lesser questions in my mind are What are the demands of protesters? What reforms do they seek? What means of "leveling the playing field" do they advocate. I want answers to these as well.

So far, after all my digging, I find a bunch of collectivists being funded by far left organizations and promoted by far left figures.

So why should I support this when I am a fiscal conservative? There's no place for me in this movement. It's not all inclusive. It's not about American principles of federalism, constitutional fidelity and frugality with the people's money. It's about wealth redistribution and rage.