What do you think will happen if Israel launches an attack on Iran?

Samson Option

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What does China and Russia have to gain by backing Iran? We sit here and act that they would back Iran just because they arent aligned with us.... I doubt that either one of those nations would want to get their hands bloody in conflict that doesnt directly effect them.... If China and Russia were looking for a fight we would already be fighting them....It's not like Iran is getting picked on by the big bad bullies and Russia/China are stepping in to break it up. Iran has this coming to them, they made their bed and now they need to lie in it....

STOP BUYING THIS ISRAEL IRAN GARBAGE!! THATS A COVER FOR A GALACTIC BATTLE ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE. THERE IS A STARGATE IN IRAN THAT THE SHADOW GOV. WANTS. THEY WANT TO BRING IN THEIR PEOPLE FROM DRACONIS HERE TO HELP THEM KEEP US UNDER CONTROL. IRAN HAS THE STARGATE. THE GIG IS UP AND EVEN THE SHEEPLE SEE NOW. THEY JUST DONT REALLY KNOW WHO!! THE GOOD GUYS FROM THE FEDERATION ARE HERE TO ASSIST US......

Tony Blair is so owned by the Zionists he can only where blue striped underwear.

Speedo?

Originally posted by 12 stranded dna
STOP BUYING THIS ISRAEL IRAN GARBAGE!! THATS A COVER FOR A GALACTIC BATTLE ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE. THERE IS A STARGATE IN IRAN THAT THE SHADOW GOV. WANTS. THEY WANT TO BRING IN THEIR PEOPLE FROM DRACONIS HERE TO HELP THEM KEEP US UNDER CONTROL. IRAN HAS THE STARGATE. THE GIG IS UP AND EVEN THE SHEEPLE SEE NOW. THEY JUST DONT REALLY KNOW WHO!! THE GOOD GUYS FROM THE FEDERATION ARE HERE TO ASSIST US......

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Come on man, Really?? You telling stories or do you really believe this dribble?

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The Palestinians will be having Chicken Kiev for dinner that's what. Please pass the rice.

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Israel is the only country that could go in 5 minutes. All helicopters and aircraft stay powered up with ground power units. There's only two plans. Your walls come down (Jericho) and we all go down (Samson). Iran would be decimated. The US would try to keep it localized. We would tell China and Russia to be cool or else. They would. Pakistan and India is a different story. A fool there would touch off something. Russia has oil. China don't.We would end up taking North Korea out just to show them that it will be ok in awhile just hold on.India has a billion people in it. They would come take back Pakistan and the Kashmir region. Those are the two problem countries.Long term hatred there. They exchange artillery fire all the time. Both are nuclear powers. Their mutual destruction would pave the way for to China to run a pipeline through a radiated zone for oil. There workers would work until their teeth and hair fell out to get the job done. Just like when they built the great wall. Work until dead, we'll get more conscript labor.Burning radiated oil wouldn't be good. Lots of lead pipe would be needed. Russia might even chip in on the project.mean while israel's planes would have returned home and the rest of the mideastern countries would keep their mouths shut out of fear.They would need non-radiated grain the region for years. The US and Russia would provide it. Rice from China and other asiian countries would be brought in.Remember what Henry kissenger said"You control oil you control nations, you control food you control the peolple".The promise of food and the water from Libya would take care of the mideast countries.They would play ball with what happened out of fear. The resources available in Africa would be brought to bear too. The countries in Africa would fear occupation too so, they would stop killing each other in tribal wars to preserve their identity as nations. Mean while the US would squeeze Africa like an orange until it was dry. We would just send our sons and daughters and machines of war to keep the peace. UN would have been disbanded. All americans would be working for the military industrial complex in some fashion or another. Food production for us and them. Machines of war, sons and daughters to run those machines will be all consuming.for the US. We will have achieved a permanent state of war production. In every facet of our lives we will work for peace through war. 1984 will have become a total all consuming way of life.Our sons and daughters will be produced to be consumed by the war machine that we have created. We will beg for the sweet release of death.

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They are expendable. It's not like they're paying their half sheckles to Zion.Justifcation will be found or at least made up.

from wiki

In the book of Ezra, the Persian kings are credited with permitting and enabling the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple; its reconstruction was affected "according to the decree of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia" (Ezra 6:14). This great event in Jewish history took place in the late sixth century BCE, by which time there was a well-established and influential Jewish community in Persia.
After the overthrow of Babylonia by the Persian (Iranian) Achaemenid Empire, Cyrus the Great allowed the Jews to return to their native land (537 BCE). More than forty thousand were said to have done so, (See Jehoiakim; Ezra; Nehemiah and Jews). Unlike the previous Assyrian and Babylonian rulers, Cyrus also allowed the Jews to practice their religion free

Jews in Iran enjoy constitutional protection.

As they say," every story has two sides, and somewhere in the middle is the truth"

In this instance I think the truth is a little closer to Iran's side of the story.

Why would Israel attack Iran?

That is not a rhetorical question. In order for a nation to attack another they need to find an immediate provocation to do so. However ridiculous others may find such an excuse, the attacker must pretend to believe it. What recent provocation has there been from Iran against Israel that Israel can use to justify an attack?

Let us say, Israel doesn't care about such niceties and would attack Iran for what Iran's leaders have been calling for since the time of the Islamic Revolution in 1979 i.e., destruction of Israel. Then the question would be why they haven't attacked Iran so far and why they would do so now. The possibility of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons could be one such excuse. However, even that cannot be called an immediate excuse, since Israel has been "warning" the world about the possibility for more than 7 years now and in 2006 set a deadline before which if the international community didn't act to stop Iran, Israel would. However, the deadline came and passed and nothing happened. So why did Israel make a fool of itself by issuing a deadline and not act on its threats and why would they attack Iran now without a warning? The only reason Israel did not act on its threats to attack Iran in the past can be that they believed the results could be disastrous for them. What is the scenario in which Israel attacking Iran could be disastrous for Israel?

Iran and the combined might of the ME states is still no match for Israel's military since only Israel possesses nuclear weapons. If Israel can attack Iraq's nuclear facilities in 1981 on mere suspicion of Iraq acquiring the same weapons Israel already possesses and get away with it and repeats the same with Iran now, nobody would be fool enough to think they could actually attack Israel militarily and not risk a nuclear attack on their states. The only states that can even conceive of attacking Israel militarily and win the confrontation are those that are nuclear powers, have the ability to wipe Israel out in a nuclear war and still have some of their own country left. No country that has such a capability has any interest in making the sacrifices that it would entail, for the sake of Iran, either alone or with the help of some others.

Why then would Israel hesitate in bombing Iran's nuclear installations as it has been threatening for a while now? The answer lies not in any potential adverse military action it has to face, but potential for UN-mandated trade sanctions against Israel. On the face of it, the likelyhood remains absolutely remote with the US appearing to be firmly behind Israel and holding a veto in the UNSC. But is it really so? Say, Iran refuses to retaliate militarily but decides to stop oil exports until the international community acts against Israel for its transgression. Can the oil exporting Arab states pretend nothing happened? There sure is no love lost between the Arabs and Persians, but it is an entirely different matter when it comes to Israel. Can the Arab states pretend not to notice what Israel did and open the doors for popular rebellions causing serious challenge to their power? I think not. Arab states will be forced to act. They wouldn't need to send their militaries or make any big sacrifices. All they need to do is impose an oil embargo on the members of the security council until the UNSC acts against Israel. The world would instantly go into chaos. Oil prices would reach astromical heights and economies start collapsing left, right and centre. The world will have no choice but to act against Israel. Trade sacnctions will be imposed against Israel until Israel signs the NPT, gives up its nuclear weapons and opens the country for IAEA inspections. The Palestinian state may also be admitted to the UN and Israel asked to vacate the lands it occupied after 1948. In other words, Israel would be committing suicide by attacking Iran. I don't think they are suicidal even if extremely paranoid.

Israel's back is against the wall.

It may not look like that but the Zionist scumbags who run Israel and the US know that and they are willing to do something even more radical to change the game.

Support for Israel internationally has been dropping for decades and it can go nowhere but lower.

Young people around the world don't care about what happened to Jews in WWII that is ancient history. What young people see today is arrogant Israeli bastards torturing, raping and murdering Palestinians and selling body parts.

In the eyes of the world

Israel is pure evil

The only support Israel has at this point is the idiot American Christians who think modern day Jews are not Khazars and are related to the people of the Bible and the American and European politians bought and made for by Zionist money.

The Zionist scumbags want to ethnically-cleanse the rest of the Palestinians that have not already kicked out of Palestine and take all the land.

They just want a war with Iran as cover to start the raping, murder and expulsion.

Zionism is a criminal enterprise - remember.

Originally posted by SavedOne

I can tell you most assuredly that this will not happen. How can I be so sure? Because Israel is ALREADY attacking Iran!! They don't do it the old-fashioned way by overtly firing missiles, they are much more covert. If you're not aware of Stuxnet then Google it, this is the new form of Israel's attacks. Electronic warfare is nearly impossible to track, and it's highly effective. Israel also makes good use of assassins, they've routinely been killing off Iranian scientists for years. Israel will never launch a preemptive attack by air, they don't need to. If someone strike them in such a way then they would retaliate in the same manner, but they will never initiate such an attack themselves.

I think you are the only other member on this forum who is NOT mentally challenged. It seems people here are so stuck in their closed loop conspiracy theory/fear the msm mindset that they ignore what is actually going on in the world around them. The global instability that would result from a hot war would be devastating to a fragile world economy, but nobody seems to care when a bunch of ripped off, poorly built paki centrifuges don't work properly.
Stuxnet is the most complex and capable cyber weapon ever devised. It is brilliant in its vector, design, simplicity and tenacity. While China is in a cyber war with the USA, using mostly brute force attacks, Israel and the USA are screwing Iran in a subtle and devious manner. WE ARE WATCHING THE FUTURE OF WAR. But don't tell the alien zionist reptilians of planet Serpo, let it be a surprise to them when they watch the news

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It seems people here are so stuck in their closed loop conspiracy theory/fear the msm mindset that they ignore what is actually going on in the world around them.

Stuxnet is the most complex and capable cyber weapon ever devised.

WE ARE WATCHING THE FUTURE OF WAR.

So you are saying that there is ZERO chance of Israel launching a strike on Iran... involving things other than viruses???

I wish future wars would just be confined to computer viruses... and NOT bombs that tear living human beings apart......
I wish... I really do...

You are right, the Zionist scum have enough brain power to ruin 15 other nations and their own all at the same time.

Long after Israel is a forgotten bit of trash in the dustbin of history Jews will be blamed for the destruction they have brought upon the earth.

Originally posted by JohnWorfin

Originally posted by SavedOne

I can tell you most assuredly that this will not happen. How can I be so sure? Because Israel is ALREADY attacking Iran!! They don't do it the old-fashioned way by overtly firing missiles, they are much more covert. If you're not aware of Stuxnet then Google it, this is the new form of Israel's attacks. Electronic warfare is nearly impossible to track, and it's highly effective. Israel also makes good use of assassins, they've routinely been killing off Iranian scientists for years. Israel will never launch a preemptive attack by air, they don't need to. If someone strike them in such a way then they would retaliate in the same manner, but they will never initiate such an attack themselves.

I think you are the only other member on this forum who is NOT mentally challenged. It seems people here are so stuck in their closed loop conspiracy theory/fear the msm mindset that they ignore what is actually going on in the world around them. The global instability that would result from a hot war would be devastating to a fragile world economy, but nobody seems to care when a bunch of ripped off, poorly built paki centrifuges don't work properly.
Stuxnet is the most complex and capable cyber weapon ever devised. It is brilliant in its vector, design, simplicity and tenacity. While China is in a cyber war with the USA, using mostly brute force attacks, Israel and the USA are screwing Iran in a subtle and devious manner. WE ARE WATCHING THE FUTURE OF WAR. But don't tell the alien zionist reptilians of planet Serpo, let it be a surprise to them when they watch the news

Originally posted by BRAVO949
I think you meant to say that

Israel is a myth and a lie.

Here is a book by a very well known, very well respected American Jew named Seymour Hersh.

Yep! Read about as much of that book as i could take before relegating it to the trash bin. Each and every claim he makes in it is insubstantiated.

Sure, we know the Jews have a nuclear arsenal. But no where has any Israeli politician or military been recorded as stating there is a "samson option". Only in this mans book where he makes claims of politicians saying such things but isnt it a little odd he is the only one who has heard such nonsense?

Originally posted by BRAVO949
The fact that this brave, honest Jew named Symour Hersh dares to expose the bloody thirsty bastards who run Israel and their nasty schemes makes him what exactly to you?

Not sure. I guess a liar with a vendetta?

Originally posted by BRAVO949
The Samson Option is very real and exactly the sort of sick bastard idea that Israel is famous for. Israel has killed innocent men, women and children since its inception and indeed the Zionists had blood up to their elbows from the start of their evil enterprise.

This is where i have to lol and roll my eyes. Your presenting something as a fact that has never been close to proven. Try again, son. Its obvious you are an anti-semite with your own little vendetta.

I wonder, where is it you are from? If you answer the USA, i refuse to argue on with you. Your country has killed many times more people that Israel ever could hope to. Israel does it in the name of defense. America does it in the name of money. Look in the mirror before you run your mouth, hypocrite.

double post

Why do you wish future wars to be limited to computer viruses? So that there would be no food or fuel available to entire countries? That would be worse than bombs. You would WISH that you were hit by a bomb when you are slowly starving to death and freezing in the winter or frying in the summer with no electrcity and water and no communication. What are you thinking?

ATS is just unreal with the folks on here.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by JohnWorfin

 

It seems people here are so stuck in their closed loop conspiracy theory/fear the msm mindset that they ignore what is actually going on in the world around them.

Stuxnet is the most complex and capable cyber weapon ever devised.

WE ARE WATCHING THE FUTURE OF WAR.

So you are saying that there is ZERO chance of Israel launching a strike on Iran... involving things other than viruses???

I wish future wars would just be confined to computer viruses... and NOT bombs that tear living human beings apart......
I wish... I really do...

edit on 16-10-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Why do you wish future wars to be limited to computer viruses? So that there would be no food or fuel available to entire countries? That would be worse than bombs. You would WISH that you were hit by a bomb when you are slowly starving to death and freezing in the winter or frying in the summer with no electrcity and water and no communication. What are you thinking?

ATS is just unreal with the folks on here.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by JohnWorfin

 

It seems people here are so stuck in their closed loop conspiracy theory/fear the msm mindset that they ignore what is actually going on in the world around them.

Stuxnet is the most complex and capable cyber weapon ever devised.

WE ARE WATCHING THE FUTURE OF WAR.

So you are saying that there is ZERO chance of Israel launching a strike on Iran... involving things other than viruses???

I wish future wars would just be confined to computer viruses... and NOT bombs that tear living human beings apart......
I wish... I really do...

edit on 16-10-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-10-2011 by princeofpeace because: (no reason given)

@princeofpeace, don't try to tell me what I want out of modern warfare or the suffering of the masses. Your bleeding hart rant does nothing for the discussion at hand and only shows a staggering ignorance of what two reasonable members have been discussing. Describing the reality of a situation is not the same as wanting that situation to be a certain way

@sk0rpi0n, that is exactly what I'm saying. Why would a small client state risk a hot war with planes, bombs, tanks and infantry and the accompanying economic strain when some well made/well placed code and a few well trained/well placed assassins could do everything they want and more.
It goes like this: NSA learns of a flaw in scada controllers. NSA writes a virus with their exceptional skill and experience. NSA tests virus on P1 centrifuges and controllers acquired by the Mossad. Mossad plants virus in Iran and then proceeds to occasionally kill a person who has the skill to combat the code intrusion or repair the damage it caused. Objective is then reached with minimal energy/capital expended and with absolutely no economic consequences

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by BRAVO949
I think you meant to say that

Israel is a myth and a lie.

Here is a book by a very well known, very well respected American Jew named Seymour Hersh.

Yep! Read about as much of that book as i could take before relegating it to the trash bin. Each and every claim he makes in it is insubstantiated.

Sure, we know the Jews have a nuclear arsenal. But no where has any Israeli politician or military been recorded as stating there is a "samson option". Only in this mans book where he makes claims of politicians saying such things but isnt it a little odd he is the only one who has heard such nonsense?

Originally posted by BRAVO949
The fact that this brave, honest Jew named Symour Hersh dares to expose the bloody thirsty bastards who run Israel and their nasty schemes makes him what exactly to you?

Not sure. I guess a liar with a vendetta?

Originally posted by BRAVO949
The Samson Option is very real and exactly the sort of sick bastard idea that Israel is famous for. Israel has killed innocent men, women and children since its inception and indeed the Zionists had blood up to their elbows from the start of their evil enterprise.

This is where i have to lol and roll my eyes. Your presenting something as a fact that has never been close to proven. Try again, son. Its obvious you are an anti-semite with your own little vendetta.

I wonder, where is it you are from? If you answer the USA, i refuse to argue on with you. Your country has killed many times more people that Israel ever could hope to. Israel does it in the name of defense. America does it in the name of money. Look in the mirror before you run your mouth, hypocrite.

I suppose you want to suggest that the Zionist scumbag bastards hav enot lied about every aspect of their nuclear program, do you?

Nobody needs to have a vendetta against a filthy entity / criminal enterprise like Israel. Selling human body parts? How low can that filth pit go?

Now they want to plunge the world into war.

The same scumbag Zionist bastards who run the US run Israel and I am against them as well.

If Zionists aren't liars why do they lie about everything?

Why do you defend them?

My bad. I jumped in on the last page. I apologize JW.

Originally posted by JohnWorfin

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Why do you wish future wars to be limited to computer viruses? So that there would be no food or fuel available to entire countries? That would be worse than bombs. You would WISH that you were hit by a bomb when you are slowly starving to death and freezing in the winter or frying in the summer with no electrcity and water and no communication. What are you thinking?

ATS is just unreal with the folks on here.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by JohnWorfin

 

It seems people here are so stuck in their closed loop conspiracy theory/fear the msm mindset that they ignore what is actually going on in the world around them.

Stuxnet is the most complex and capable cyber weapon ever devised.

WE ARE WATCHING THE FUTURE OF WAR.

So you are saying that there is ZERO chance of Israel launching a strike on Iran... involving things other than viruses???

I wish future wars would just be confined to computer viruses... and NOT bombs that tear living human beings apart......
I wish... I really do...

edit on 16-10-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-10-2011 by princeofpeace because: (no reason given)

@princeofpeace, don't try to tell me what I want out of modern warfare or the suffering of the masses. Your bleeding hart rant does nothing for the discussion at hand and only shows a staggering ignorance of what two reasonable members have been discussing. Describing the reality of a situation is not the same as wanting that situation to be a certain way

@sk0rpi0n, that is exactly what I'm saying. Why would a small client state risk a hot war with planes, bombs, tanks and infantry and the accompanying economic strain when some well made/well placed code and a few well trained/well placed assassins could do everything they want and more.
It goes like this: NSA learns of a flaw in scada controllers. NSA writes a virus with their exceptional skill and experience. NSA tests virus on P1 centrifuges and controllers acquired by the Mossad. Mossad plants virus in Iran and then proceeds to occasionally kill a person who has the skill to combat the code intrusion or repair the damage it caused. Objective is then reached with minimal energy/capital expended and with absolutely no economic consequences

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No problem Princeofpeace, the assumptions run pretty high in here and my default reaction at this point is "F*%K YOU"
I'm really surprised all the nwo/zionist/alien/area51/reptile/ conspiracy folks aren't leaping on the mystery and international conspiracy that is stuxnet.