Why don't the conspiracy theorists have their OWN investigation?

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
reply to post by pshea38

 

Nice injection of 911 disinformation. Those little video you posted are usually spread by debunkers claiming it came from truthers.

Im on Randi too.... I dont like 'toofers'...

Silly Truther....The crap he's selling is no different from the crap you're selling. Aren't you a Shanksville No Planer ? All the evidence says FLT 93 crashed there and you ignore all of it and post a Susan Mcelwain video.

Do you think she's more accurate than a flight data recorder ?

How is going with that force vector diagram got it figured out yet ?

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I think good ol Dave is secretly opposed to the official story and is actually steering the conspiracy theorists towards becoming a co-ordinated group, he's practically telling you what to do now and his constant critisism of outlandish theories slowly seperates the wheat from the chaff leaving in its wake the more thought out , credible theories.
Thanks Dave I'm onto you, I like your style.

reply to post by markygee


I think its what any rational person want. Get rid of all the nonsense, then see what is left of all these conspiracy theories. There is a big chance that almost nothing will be left, and that is the reason there will never be any coordinated effort for a real investigation from the truth movement. Anyone who is in a position to organize something like that is way too invested and has absolutely no benefit from finding the actual truth. A very simple example, why doesn't Jones and co have their dust samples tested by several independent labs around the world? The answer is dead simple, it would show they are wrong and that would mean the are out of bussiness. Anyone genuinely interested in the truth, and genuinely motivated to expose it, would have done so. I know I sure would have, if I had the samples. Would you?

Originally posted by mayabong
So are you saying the towers weren't powered down in the days before 911?

The towers were NOT powered down... why do you think they were?

As far as a new investigation, there already has been many investigations. No matter how many people are involved or what their credentials are, they will still be tossed aside as "conspiracy theorists"

and we have all seen the quality of their research!

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
reply to post by hooper

 

The petition is categorized into sections. Feel free to count how many are in each section. I have no such desire.

Then how did you declare the other statement about the percentages "absolutely false" if you never bothered counting them?

Originally posted by -PLB-
Anyone who is in a position to organize something like that is way too invested and has absolutely no benefit from finding the actual truth. A very simple example, why doesn't Jones and co have their dust samples tested by several independent labs around the world? The answer is dead simple, it would show they are wrong and that would mean the are out of business. Anyone genuinely interested in the truth, and genuinely motivated to expose it, would have done so

Didn't Jones also say about 2 years ago that he would do another test in the absence of oxygen? I wonder what happened to that?

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by -PLB-
Anyone who is in a position to organize something like that is way too invested and has absolutely no benefit from finding the actual truth. A very simple example, why doesn't Jones and co have their dust samples tested by several independent labs around the world? The answer is dead simple, it would show they are wrong and that would mean the are out of business. Anyone genuinely interested in the truth, and genuinely motivated to expose it, would have done so

Didn't Jones also say about 2 years ago that he would do another test in the absence of oxygen? I wonder what happened to that?

Yes, he did. I don't remember if it was in the radio interview or in a published email exchange. I suspect that he did the test and didn't like the answer. Why ruin a tour on the talk circuit and miss the limelight? Even Jones realized that thin layers of paint-on thermite wouldn't do much, if they could be ignited on the metal beams to begin with, and started talking about other possibilites. "Electric matches" comes to mind. Of course, the problems lie in the form of the material [paint] and the amount unburned in the dust. Paintman Jones will not provide any more experimental results and will ride his Bentham pony until the legs fall off.

Like Newtonian Physics needs to be investigated after 300 years.

By the nation that put men on the Moon.

ROFLMAO

psik

reply to post by GoodOlDave


The people who believe and support the official story of 9/11 are either blind, stupid or evil. Some may be a combination of two or more. But it seems that's what it comes down to.

reply to post by zerimar65

The people who believe and support the official story of 9/11 are either blind, stupid or evil. Some may be a combination of two or more. But it seems that's what it comes down to.

Why? Because not one truther has proven their claim?

Name one professional organization that has ever backed up any part of the conspiracy theories?

reply to post by -PLB-


And that is a fair enough comment. It is also more commonly known as double standards isn't it? If you shout cover up and conspiracy regarding the management of evidence then surely you wouldn't want it shouted straight back over the way your contradictory evidence is presented.

Originally posted by zerimar65
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

The people who believe and support the official story of 9/11 are either blind, stupid or evil. Some may be a combination of two or more. But it seems that's what it comes down to.

Your statement is unsupported by the facts and is only your belief. Maybe the statement better applies to the other side of the issue.

GoodOlDave Droned.

Tell me something, in all honesty, why don't you truthers stop chanting "we need more investigations" like it was a religious mantra and hold your own investigation?

reply to post by GoodOlDave


What do you think we are doing on this site sharing information and ideas? We don't have the legal authority to subpoena.

This is the crime of the century, and they spent way less on the investigation than Clintons diversion sex scandal? The honest investigators all admitted it was a white wash. Ignoring the mountains of evidence, just the fact they spent very little is at least very suspicious.

I'll never look at any government the same.

Yawn.

Sorry, GoodOlshill. But the fire fighters, pilots, architects, scientists, engineers and victims families for 9/11 truth who call for a new UNBIASED, LEGIT investigation are far from "conspiracy theorists", yet you continue to use this term, (which has been conditioned upon the people by the mainstream media to mock people who question 9/11 or want a new investigation) and other terms and tactics to demonize and mock truth seekers who want justice. You know what, I can't believe people actually entertain your garbage and star you, flag you, etc. Truly pathetic.

This site is very popular. So I am 100% certain there are paid shills here, as part of the gov op to sway people's opinion on popular forums, youtube, etc.

This forum is as compromised as the 9/11 commission and NIST investigation. Why do you guys entertain this guys threads?

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

I take issue with those that attack professional architects, engineers, physicists, and scientists because of their denial or agenda.

Kinda backed yourself into a corner there, didntcha pal?

Cuz in order to avoid being a hypocrite, you must accept the fact that the architects, engineers, physicists, and scientists that contributed to the NIST report are beyond reproach. Ditto for those in the CTBUH that have backed the report. And ASCE. Etc.

You don't want to be a hypocrite now, do you?

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Joey Canoli

 

Anybody besides myself notice that ATS seems to host an unusually large population of structural engineers who are clueless to the fundamentals of Newtonian basics?

There must have been a lot of folks out sick the day they were teaching classical mechanics...

If you're talking about Nutter, he's only made that claim. And of course there's zero reason to believe that for any reason at all, especially since after making the positive claim that Bazant and Ross ignored Newton, that he is now tap dancing around answering just why Bazant was wrong.

Actually, his posting style reminds me of one particularly delusional confirmed engineer that used to post here. Posted here as Griff.

Same thing would happen - ask him a question and he breaks out the tap dancing shoes.

My guess is that Nutter, in a similar fashion, will not answer to Bazant's statement, nor explain just why it is impossible for a REAL engineer (not a fake one like him) to do the energy calcs of the collapse as I laid out for him.

Bazant did it in 2 days, and it got published.

It can be redone now using better information if there's any interest.

There is no rational argument against doing that analysis at this point.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

I'm just bringing forth information, you said it was a paranoid conspiracy theory and that they couldn't power down because of the businesses in there. This guy is obviously not a 911 truther cause he still thinks muslims did it which makes his testimony that much more believable.

First you say it didn't happen then you say well um ok well it didn't happen in both towers.

So 2 people have claimed it happened in the South Tower. Both were with Fiduciary Trust. The first guy, Scott Forbes, can't confirm that power down occurred anywhere else but on their floors- 90, 94-97. He admits that. Your guy, Gary Corbett, can't either. 2 people

One tower. Not Both. No WTC 7 either. Only on a couple of floors. For supposedly 30 hours. Ordered by the port authority 3-4 weeks ahead of time. So certainly the port authority would confirm this. Unless of course they're in on it too

OR

If it did take place from the 50th floor and up then certainly more folks from dozens of other companies would come forward to confirm this since they would've had to shut down their systems too.

But whats the whole point anyway? Are you suggesting that explosives were planted in 30 hours 2 days before the incident?

Originally posted by zerimar65
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

The people who believe and support the official story of 9/11 are either blind, stupid or evil. Some may be a combination of two or more. But it seems that's what it comes down to.

Ok, thanks. That helps.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by Nutter

You mean the same Bazzant and Ross who didn't acknowledge that for each action there is an equal but opposite reaction?

You sure you're an engineer?

Sure am. Like I said previously. Pick your mod and I'll send my credentials.

www.civil.northwestern.edu...

My mistake in saying they didn't take the third law in to account.

They actually did if you read further than what you quoted. Fc and Fc prime are the internal forces that satisfy the third law.