You are ABSURD!

Originally posted by cloudwatcher
reply to post by 74Templar

 

Funny how life is like this. Blondes wanna be brunettes. Brunettes wanna be blondes etc.
I was never the girly type. I wear my camouflage with pride!

I hope by that you don't mean that you are a man in a woman's body, not that there's anything wrong with that!

Edit to add: It's possible that you were a boy in a past life, or are destined to be one in a future life, hey ya never know anything's possible.

Originally posted by randyvs

I'm bumping this sucker. Truly an amazing thread IMO. With some outstanding responses.

What, by bumping this thread do you think, at some level that you can singlehandedly help bring about in whatever way however great or small, the omegapoint of the cosmogenesis of the noosphere and the second coming of Jesus Christ as Christ or Cosmic Consciousness at the dawning of a new age of grace?

You are absurd, or perhaps, what is even more "absurder" is that you are not.

Who are you? WHAT are you?

Originally posted by 74Templar

Originally posted by cloudwatcher
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

TextMaybe "she" didn't get the special gift (dollhouse?) she was promised for Christmas as a little girl or something equally as absurd, hey anything's possible!

"She" has always gotten what she wants. Which is probably why she is even more absurd than the rest.

Didn't play with dollhouses...no. Made dirt roads in the front yard and rode her brothers Tonka dumptruck around on them. Maybe she secretly wanted her brothers toys!!!

edit on 10/25/2010 by cloudwatcher because: forgot the little quote box

I had to reply to this as my two daughters are currently in the backyard. One's riding an ATV round the backyard, the other is playing with Transformers in the dirt. My youngest daughter's favourite current toy is a 4 storey car garage, complete with a box full of matchbox cars. I know this coz it's spread like a nuclear attack over the lounge room most days.
Kids generally want what someone else has, I've never been able to explain this one, so you're not alone there

"They" should put a parental tear-away warning label on the reverse packaging of all such toys, perhaps along the lines of:

PARENTAL WARNING - Active involvement and participation on the part of your child, with this toy (both boys AND girls included) may easily result in future adult absurdities involving the intense and covetous desire for great material wealth and economic prosperity including the subsequent attachment to objects of possession, in particular, large garages housing mutliple cars.

Prior to opening and use, please advise your child that their making use of this toy, may result in future unmet needs and thwarted expectations. However, failure to buy this toy at your child's free will request and expressed desire, may hinder their future authentic self expression and produce in them, the very unmet need and thwarted expectation whch may easily result in a future compensatory, obsessive need to own and possess great material wealth, in particular, a large garage housing multiple cars.

Therefore, we strongly advise, in the event that your child may have already succumbed to our persistent and continuous television and media advertising campaign, that you proceed to buy them this toy, and then allow them, with understanding and awareness, to decide for themselves how to interpret the overt and covert or subliminal meanings associated with this product and accompanying ad campaign.

Furthermore, if you yourself, as an adult were somehow thwarted in your own materialist needs and expectations, the option also remains with you, as parent and guide, to encourage your child, whether boy OR girl, to deeply covet this toy, should the predominant aim, in making this purchase for your child be to inculcate in them, early in life, the neccessary attachemnt to material gain, and in particular the owning of a large garage housing multiple cars so as to ensure to the degree that is possible (limited of course only by their imagination and willpower), that your child will ultimately succeed, where you failed.

In this case, it is our recommendation that you first instill in your child a powerful covetous desire for this toy, and then delay or withold access to it, only finaly relenting at the point that there is nothing else in the whole world that your child would rather have, for their possession. This will ensure that the "Car Palace" meme is instilled deeply into your child's subconscious mind, a meme which has been created by design to perpetuate a continued societal pursuit of economic growth and prosperity available to us all. It is a pursuit and supreme goal of which the Matell toy company is proud to have been actively involved in, for over 100 years!

Buy Now - Give Later!

If this particular product has already come to your child's attention through various media, since you will need to purchase the toy in any event, but may wish to delay and withold access, to produce in them a covetous desire for material wealth, in particular that which is represented in and by a large garage with multiple cars - save yourself some time, and buy this toy now, while at the same time, witholding access to it from your child until such point that you as parent, have determined that the time is right for this toy to fill their innermost heart's desire, as a previously unmet need and thwarted expectation.

Price: Only $189.95 (limited time offer)

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Meanwhile, at the Wallmart Toy Section, with Christmas only a week away...

"What are you looking at Daddy, what are you reading on that box?" little Bobby asks, with a quaver of excitement and anticipation in his innocent little voice.

"Oh My God, Is THAT the new Car Palace from Matell? Oh my God (he repeats, maddeningly) it's totally awesome!"

On Children
Kahlil Gibran

Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable.

www.katsandogz.com...

I like what this person posted in another thread re: time.

Originally posted by rwfresh
reply to post by followtheevidence

 

reply to post by followtheevidence

 

Interesting. But watch the video again and ask yourself this.

If God is infinite and eternal, When did he create time? Where did he create matter?

I think the answer, as difficult as it might seem to be, is that time and matter do not exist in Reality.

If time does not exist in Reality, where does it exist?

When was this "non-reality" created and where is it? If it doesn't exist in eternity (God), does it really exist at all?

When i was 16 i had an out of body experience in the early morning. As i tried to move my body a voice whispered in my ear "Lesson 1, Time is both infinite and definite. The Sun is tired and it wants to sleep".

That was over 20 years ago. I still don't quite understand what it could possibly mean. It was bizarre to say the least.

My understanding of Reality is that it is the same thing as God, Eternity, Truth and Love. They are all the same thing. And anything outside of that is not real. And yet my experience is in a dimension of time or "non-reality"

I do believe time has a beginning and therefore an end. Despite my lesson 20 years ago. And i do believe the end is not that far off. And that it's all good... Except for everything that is associated with non-reality, time and matter :')

So associate yourself with eternity and truth and God before the end. The practice of Love is how it's done according to God, spoken into non-reality as a man.


Peace!

And what I think i've been trying to say in this thread, is much the same thing, except to say that everything that is absurd is what's unreal, but what is real cannot be appreciated until we face and recognize the absurd. In this way, knowledge of the absurd, is a gateway to knowledge of the true self as "child of God", which is by it's very nature a contextual framework of a mysterious domain of the eternal, already here, and now in our experience, not as a conceptualization or a theoretical postulate, but as truth and reality itself as our true self. "I am the truth and the life."

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Time is absurd.

"I am the end of time", I once mumbled to myself in one of my reveries yet suddenly and absurdly (for reasons of ignorance and false conceptions) horrified at the potentially nihilistic implications of the statement, assuming that time was all there is and that the end of time would be the end of life and everything, but now, looking back, I realize that I was just whispering a truism to myself, and that it was a the voice of reason, and NOT insaniry, that was speaking!

Oh I am absurd alright, you bet, or perhaps I should say that I was absurd, and am preparing myself now to become even moreso, looking back on it all in hindsight, suddenly able to laugh out loud at myself and my own absurdity, to no end it would seem, that is if my intuition is sound and my reason still intact.

What did he say "therefore look not to the things of this world, but instead, place your heart first on the kingdom of heaven (the best of the best, ever), and all these things will be freely added unto you. And store up your treasure in heaven, where neighther thief can break in and steal (safely guarded) nor woodworm (chaos, entropy) destroy. Children, take heart! beecause where your heart is, there will your treasure be also." (something like that, since I haven't read the Bible in ages).

Part of my dillemma, as a PK, in fact a double PK (preachers kid) when my mother also went ahead and became an oridained minister, is that in the end and in the final anlaysis, "what you resist, persists" (Carl Jung). And while it starts out absurd, this mad pursuit of truth and love anywhere BUT "Christianity", what I'm beginning to see now, isn't or wasn't completely, and I so thank God for my life, no matter how absurd, if in the end I can also find my truest self as the beloved child of God that I really am (and that you are also). As the "prodigal son" to be found again, and alive, again, having at last come to my senses to set off for home..

It's simple, but never easy I guess, eh?

So I don't know what to say here, other than "pick up your absurdity and follow me" as I follow the one who went before me, and who sends me even as he was first sent.

Some may say I was "programmed" or "indoctrinated", and therefore cannot be trusted to speak the truth, but you see, everything that I've come to be, was born out of a type of spirited rebellion, and by examining and testing everything I could find APART from the church and what I call "Churchianity", yet being bright and open minded, I was also willing ot make the examination and investigation into all sides and perspectives, with an open mind, and these are the types of things as a result that I've come to "grok" and hopefully share with other like minded people.

So before you say I ought to be committed for having a "Christ complex" of some kind, just stop and think for a minute about the predicament of the PK, and the lengths he might be forced to go to try to bring back a boon to his fellow man for mutual grokking, which is substantial, and therefore real. Not an easy task, let me tell you, not easy at all. Been through the wringer a couple times to bring foroth these things for simple sharing.

But we've all been through the same wringer in one form or another, drawn into various psychological and even spiritual wedge issues, which cannot be denied - if only we can get to the end of the "program" and looking back, recognize ourselves as we are, and in so doing, become fresh again, like children are fresh, and then perhaps begin to experience life anew, with new eyes to see, ears to hear, maybe even new hands and feet and a mouth with which to eat spiritual food which most people know nothing about but which must be served to the starving for whom God comes in the form of food for the mind heart and soul. It must be susbtantial, and therefore real, and if so, then it must be freely and easily communicated, through a conversation however absurd it might appear to be at times.


If like anyone, I'm more like Peter who although he denied him three times over to sake his own skin and protect his "reputation", Jesus later (purportedly, it matters now if it really happened just like that not any more) asked

"Do you love me Peter?"

To which Peter (I) replied "Of course you know I love you Lord you know my heart and know all things".

"Feed my sheep."

and then again, "Peter do you love me?"

three times it was repeated.

So I say then "Yes Lord I do love you, and it is my greatest pleasure and honor to feed your feed, and "grok" you and your (our) heart with them together. Behold, I am feeding your sheep even now!"

Originally posted by cloudwatcher
reply to post by 74Templar

 

Funny how life is like this. Blondes wanna be brunettes. Brunettes wanna be blondes etc.
I was never the girly type. I wear my camouflage with pride!

It is funny hey. I guess I refuse to place gender roles on my girls as they should both be free to do as they please, with what they choose. We live in a world where all kinds of "away from the norm" ideas are becoming accepted, and with it comes a greater understanding of who we truly are.
These 15th century rules and regulations about what is right and wrong are finally being swept away, and I say bring it on, let the people decide.
It is our kids that will inherit this world, and they also have a choice, to keep going the way they are in the dark, or step up and embrace the new world. I'm just happy they have people like us in this thread to guide them to what's right
Oh and btw, the 4 storey garage was found stuffed with barbie dolls and plush toys last night, still trying to digest that one lol...

Originally posted by 74Templar
Oh and btw, the 4 storey garage was found stuffed with barbie dolls and plush toys last night, still trying to digest that one lol...

We'll take that as a good sign.

Guilty as charged. Thanks you got me. Good one.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

You are absurd. You grew up a gifted child in a stimulating and loving family framework, things came easy for you at school, anything was possible, in AWE you spontaneously lived, and lived fully with your whole being. Now, you live a lonely and limited life of IMpossibility as if no longer worthy of what life has to offer, and the sheer joy that once was, now fleeting, if not all but gone, as you enter middle age. You are absurd! In high school, although you could have aced the whole thing and gone on to university and accomplished anything upon which you set your sights, you decided that the love of others was more important, so you gave up your gifts and talents to "party", only to learn, many years later and perhaps much too late, that one cannot find fulfillment by seeking out love without to fill a lack of it within, and that drugs and alchohol cannot bestow the grace of a childhood lost. You are absurd! To compensate, for "hiding your light under a bushel basket", you now seek to prove, when those around you may expect either nothing or secretly hope for the best, to prove them WRONG, at any cost, and get even with them for "causing you" to forsake the best part of yourself (no one likes a showoff), by literally becoming the missing love itself, if such a thing were possible, or, if expectations are high, intentionally disappoint, refusing to live up to such absurdly unrealistic expectations. You are absurd! You rebel against your own authority, and even refuse to wake up in the morning to go to work, manufactuing in your sleep-addled mind, any and all manner of justifications, including the notion that you are "changing the world" in your dreams! You are absurd. People on the street, especially where you live, look at you with an inward smirk or with veild suspicion as you seek to meet every eye in mutual recognition and friendship, and babies cannot take their eyes from you. You think you might be crazy. You are absurd. You sit, typing into and reading from a discussion forum called ATS, completely addicted, and without recourse to live the life you are avoiding, but hope that as a direct and sole result of your participation there, you will singlehandedly bring about the omegapoint of the cosmogensis of the noosphere, and herald the coming of nothing less than the kingdom of heaven, and the second coming of Jesus Christ. You are absurd. You call yourself the "eternal optimist" and yet are so lazy that you don't actually DO much of anything at all! You procrastinate to a high degree of skill and self-deception, exerting more time and energy in NOT doing the very thing you planned to do the day before. A "leader of tomorrow", being an all-or-nothing type of guy, you choose nothing today. Why do today what I can put off until tomorrow, is the lie you tell yourself, day and day out. "Thank God for Monday!" is your Friday's declaration of joy and eternal freedom. You are absurd. You say you are love, but you don't even love yourself! NewAgeMan - Rob. You, are utterly absurd.

While reading this, I felt like I was reading a letter from my subconscious to my conscious self... Wow, that struck a chord, practically sums me up right there. I know that sounds bad, as the person being depicted is clearly not someone of a positive nature, but that describes me perfectly... It's like someone clinging to sanity... And I'm sorry I acted this way, but it is important to help become a better person... Thanks for posting this OP, it was like a chance for me to look at myself from a perspective I would have much rather ignored, but instead embrace

reply to post by NewAgeMan


In an absurd world, I do not mind being absurd.

I guess the difference is that I Love the experience.

Nutty bastard that I am.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by SpreadLoveNotHate

Good for you! It takes courage, and it might even be enough to make a person cry. But it's not a "bad" thing, not a negative, and there's no reason to say sorry, except maybe to your best and most authentic self.

It's only negative or "bad" I suppose when it is not acknowledged, or worse, refused to be acknowledged, and thus becomes a controlling mechanism in the continual unfolding of the same old drama, making of us robots to mere interpretations of "what happened", when what REALLY happened doesn't neccessarily "mean" anything at all.

The childlike giggle, in recognition of our own absurdity, that's not in the least bit absurd. It's magnificent!

In truth we are each extraordinary human beings, which is only "absurd" from the POV of what is "normal" by everyone else's standards, or by the standard of those who steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that their desire to be "normal" in the eyes of "the world" is what's really absurd.


I once went to see a "counsellor" who was recommended to me, an AA (alcholoics anonymous) "sponsor" type figure, although he had a new technique he was using called "booking" whereby he would lead you through the "Big Book" of AA, called simply "Alchoholics Anonymous" having you circle and underline various words and phrases while writing little anecdotes and descriptive catch-words and phrases, in the margin, Don his name was. He was like a wise old fishermen looking guy and you'd meet him at some coffee shop, where he seemed to "work" all day, from one "appointment" to the next, the guy was awesome, and funny! Don would look directly at you in the most compassionate way, and in his smiling, twinkling eyes was this "spirit" it was hard to describe, but he had "it", the glow, whatever you want to call it.

So after I relayed my life story, he looked me over and then said this.

"So I guess you're f cked, eh?"

I was taken aback, even angered by his proclamation, and so I replied "what the hell do mean, I'm f'd?!"

So he leans in, as if sharing a great secret with me, with that twinkling, knowing look in it eye and he tells me, get this..

"The world doesn't give a shiit, so why do you care what it thinks about you? Whoever it is you're trying to impress, do you think they are all thinking about you right now?"

I said, "ah, no".

So he leans back and says "there you go then, what are so uptight about? You've been carrying a very very heavy weight my friend for a long long time, and for what?! The world doesn't give a shiit!"

So I said "fine, I GET that", and thanks, that's a real relief to finally realize, but what do you mean when you say that "I'm f'd", I didn't like the sound of that?"

"Well you wouldn't be sitting here in front of me if you weren't, right?" he replies, smiling graciously, non-plussed.

I resisted this idea, and pointed out that he was referred to me to HELP me, not tell me that I'm f'd!

"It didn't work Bob or should I call you Rob, the whole thing, this entire life and persona you've manufactured for yourself, just what are you trying to prove and to whom, and for what? Look at that fancy car of yours, with the company vanity plate, what's that all about?"

Anyway, to make a long story short, Don taught me something about being "a big nothing" and having what he called "the don't care".

Don did end up going a little crazy himself though after 9/11 and he started "booking" people on the Book of Revelations, and he went home to be with loved ones at Jasper (his paradise) before the "end of the world" drew nigh.. but who am I to say who's crazy and who isn't, eh? He also said "eh" a lot, it was part of his schtick.

"You're f cked, and the world don't care, eh?"
~ AA sponsor Don

It really gave me a lot of hope!

He was right, I was carrying a very heavy load unneccessarily, which was absurd.

And if there's a lesson to be learned from Don, in terms of his own folly or absurdity, it is that while we're a "big nothing" it's important that we don't become a big something in our big nothingness, and while our serenity is inversely proportionate to our expectations, it is nevertheless well worth it to care deeply and passionately provided we don't assume responsibility to "save the world" "before it's too late".

All good things will come in their own good time. The problem with the addictive personality (moi) is that we have ZERO patience, and we are either all or nothing in EVERYTHING we either do or do not do, there is no in between, no balance, or poise, no grace, until we can safely place our trust in God as a power greater than ourselves (even one we cannot understand), and start testing the budding relationship, by slowly increasing our faith and trust, bit by bit, until the fruits of the spirit start springing up all over the place and of their own accord, because that's when faith becomes real knowledge and understanding (gnosis) in the light of personal experience.

We need to be f'cked in order to get, unfcked.

Therefore, the more screwed up your life has been to date, the better off you really are!

Best Regards,

Bob, eh? (you see, even still I am unsure of myself!)

We must stop caring or being concerned with what doesn't matter and doesn't even add up to anything in the end, not even a "hill of beans", and care instead only for that which matters most. And then everything changes in the twinkling of a fisherman's eye.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
We must stop caring or being concerned with what doesn't matter and doesn't even add up to anything in the end, not even a "hill of beans", and care instead only for that which matters most. And then everything changes in the twinkling of a fisherman's eye.

Where your treasure is, your heart will follow.



With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM

Thank you brother, but I still wish you'd stop telling me what to do as if you know everything already, it really pisses me off! Stop trying to out-Jesus me!

Just kidding, please forgive me the outburst, which is obviously some ego thing in response to your kind hearted words.

But honestly, can't you see already that I'm "high performance"? Do I really need more goading on?

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

Thank you brother, but I still wish you'd stop telling me what to do as if you know everything already, it really pisses me off! Stop trying to out-Jesus me!

Just kidding, please forgive me the outburst, which is obviously some ego thing in response to your kind hearted words.

But honestly, can't you see already that I'm "high performance"? Do I really need more goading on?

My Brother, I did not come here to out shine your light, but to combine mine with yours.

Two lights on a hill shine brighter than one.



I am just your echo here.

It is YOUR thread.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM

It's ok no worries, I'm just a bit absurd. Remember, I rebel against my OWN authority and refuse to get up and go to work some days, and have screwed up my life miserably simply to come flying in as the cosmic superhero of my own little pathetic drama, and by God no one isn't going to stand in the way!

I love you friend.

We are very similar you and I.

Thanks for your kind words of encouragement.

May our light shine ever brighter and be joined by the light of others, more and more, as the new "keepers of the flame" since the last group have quit obviously dropped the ball and it's our time to get this ball rolling and get this party started.

It's time yes to roll away the stone in front of the stinking tomb, and call people out of their graves to new life.

I just don't want to get carried away at the same time, being just a regular guy and nobody in particular, which could very well be an encouragement for others, since what I can do, they can surely do better, and certainly can't do much worse.

Me I was just worried that I'd "blown my assignment" you know? Absurd!

Love,

NAM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
I just don't want to get carried away at the same time, being just a regular guy and nobody in particular, which could very well be an encouragement for others, since what I can do, they can surely do better, and can't do much worse.

Ugghhh! I can't help myself BUT....

Don't you know how special YOU are? Don't you know that you were created to be doing precisely what you are doing. You are unique down to the very structure of your DNA. YOU ARE that important. Even your hairs are numbered to your creator.

Yes, marvel at you.

No one can be YOU better than YOU.

No one!

LOL

I love coming here to see how YOU are doing.



With Love,

Your Brother

I already know that, c'mon, it's all through this thread. I would prefer however not to take myself too seriously, which takes the fun out of it, and the "big somebody" thing is dangerous for me, because what goes up must come back down and I've been there, done that got the t-shirt as they say.

I undersrand well enough that I'm a sacred and very gifted human being from an AWESOME family and upbring and I love the wedge I ended up falling into.

What do you want me to say "I am chosen" and that everyone else or most of them are merely "called"? Ha, that's absurd, it's not what I'm about any more.

I love people.

That's who I am now.

"In self forgetting we find, and in dying we awaken to eternal life." (St. Francis)

"He who keeps his life will lose it, but he who loses his life for my sake will rediscover himself again, as love." (JC paraphrased).

I "don't care", and only by not caring, and by being a "big nothing" can I actually care and be someone of value to others.

And I don't have to be Jesus, but by becoming more and more like him, what I can do, is to become most authentically myself as I am, but that's another thread trying to explain in a way that makes sense to people just how that works.

Glad you dropped in.

"Hello brother, what's happening?"

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
What do you want me to say "I am chosen" and that everyone else or most of them are merely "called"? Ha, that's absurd, it's not what I'm about any more.

I do not want you to say anything. I want you to speak the truth and not be afraid of it.

If you are chosen, then who do you give credit for making the choice?

If you are called, and you follow, who then do you give credit?

I am chosen. The father who is in heaven sent me.

Let those who are called follow, and those who are chosen lead.

With Love,

Your Brother

Psst... This time my dear dear Brother, we are not lighting a candle. No, this time we are lighting an inferno!

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

Thank you brother, but I still wish you'd stop telling me what to do as if you know everything already, it really pisses me off! Stop trying to out-Jesus me!

Just kidding, please forgive me the outburst, which is obviously some ego thing in response to your kind hearted words.

But honestly, can't you see already that I'm "high performance"? Do I really need more goading on?

Absolutely we must keep goading!! And prodding and poking, etc, etc, for we must move forward...

I'm thrilled for one to see this thread gaining momentum, and still going along it's positive course. It's also good to see people not taking it too seriously and not demanding proof of how you know this theory of yours (wikipedia anyone???)
I see this admission as you regailing us with your life behind the iron curtain, having it all but not realising it, then suddenly, the veil is lifted!!! And like many of us, you can see you had it all along. We are merely the other guys sitting around the campfire going "Uh huh. Yep. Been there, understand completely..."
I personally am on the recovery path of 10 years of debt, simply because I wanted what the others had. And where is all that stuff now? Gone, long gone, sold to the highest bidder or settled with some nasty lawyeristic words. All that is left from the ashes of that disaster is my quickly dwindling debt and a smarter me. A me with less, no doubt, but a smarter (and happier) me.
So I will keep goading, for as we propel forth, we create ever more light, that which others will see.

I say the hell with twin candles, even the inferno....

BRING ON THE NAPALM!!!!!!!!!!