For those of you (bottom feeders) who would pay for a prostitute.

reply to post by Phenomium


I have never sided with one sex. Given my childhood and young adulthood were rather unpleasant on a psychological aspect - I learned very quickly that woman can exhibit far more nastiness and contrived hate than a man.

Women can be very vindictive and I actually don't know how some women even want to have babies. Having a baby - to me - conjures up an image of nurturing, warmth,care etcetera when those qualities are barely evident in some women.

Men on the other hand can be very easily led and I have no doubt as to why some men would prefer to see a prostitute. I still maintain my original rationale - that if there is no demand - then supply would be pointless. Women need to realise that a lot of men genuinely want to protect and provide for a woman. In turn women need to realise that men have feelings and when they are genuinely in love - they have committed to a relationship because they are sincere.

The problem then becomes how to discern a sincere person - regardless of your sex or sexual orientation. Factor in all the disordered people in any given society. The people you really have to learn to recognise are psychopaths (6%)and narcissists (one in every ten) - they are everywhere. Psychology has taught us that P's & N's have no empathy and I wonder whether they even have a soul. Educate yourself - start reading about them and don't stop until you are sure you can spot one a mile off.

Until we are all psychologically healthy - we all have to guard our own psychological well being - take it from a survivor. As for the sex industry - forced prostitution isn't just criminal it is evil and the consensual kind - I wish it didn't exist but for now maybe it has a place - your thoughts?!

Much Peace...

Also, on the legalising note, I'm not sure how well the prostitutes would take to having to take their books to the accountants for end of year taxes, or how well the accountants would take to that either

Too bad...the rest of us working folks do...the price for being in a legal enterprise.

reply to post by sputniksteve

I was just going to ignore this and stick with my U2U I sent but I think I will respond here. I just wanted to let you know you are wrong on all accounts. My mother was not a prostitute, but I did see pretty women. That was a movie though and has no bearing on real life.

Alright, I will respond here, addressing you and this topic.

I asked those two questions for a specific reason.

I wanted to know why you are for prostitution and how much thought you really put into your position.

While your mom isn't, someone's mom, somewhere, is a prostitute.

You ought learn some manners though, considering I never spoke to you before now so there was no need to attack me. The OP was the one calling me out and insulting me, so please get off your horse.

I don't know you.

I attacked your favorable view of prostitution, and I didn't like your mean spirited response to the OP.

I think it is interesting that you have a favorable view of prostitution as long as the prostitute is not related to you.

You were outraged that I asked you a question about your mom in the context of this discussion. You responded like a good son should.

You are protective of her.

I meant no disrespect toward her.



That being said, I want you and others to think.

A prostitute is not a thing. She is someones sister, someones daughter, someones Mom.

She has or will have severe emotional issues.

Should we perpetuate that?

You probably didn't know there was another discussion about prostitution and probably didn't know that I talked about my experiences there.

I went back and took the time to read your posts in the other thread.

I believe you meant well, but I think the way you referred to your wife is offensive.

I wonder if you care about what happened to those women you were with.

Think what you want but at the end of the day its you with the blinders on, you can't see the forest for the trees.

In your opinion.

I think most people in this thread are driven by there own selfishness.

They don't stop to think about anyone but themselves.

This is a conspiracy,

The ignorant embrace the fantasy that this is a good thing.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Star for your signarture link!

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reply to post by dusty1


I never said this is a good thing, I only said I don't think you have the right to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their bodies. I think I most likely have a lot more experience with prostitution then you do, so I don't know how you pretend to talk like you know anything about it in the first place. Just because you read some articles or saw some movies you don't think anyone else saw?

You are speaking from total ignorance as far as we know, why should we take into consideration your opinion on something you know nothing about?

Unless you do you something about it and would like to share your experience?

Originally posted by dusty1

That being said, I want you and others to think.

A prostitute is not a thing. She is someones sister, someones daughter, someones Mom.

She has or will have severe emotional issues.

Should we perpetuate that?

If the person involved (prostitute) had no family and actually enjoyed what they did, what would you say to that specific situation? Not a trick question by the way.

Yes, prostitution IS one of the world's oldest proffessions, but only because of the way MEN have always treatred women, and in case you were not aware, women never had much career/education choice, and in many parts of the world still don't.

Now, if a woman really goes 'hay, sounds like wonderful idea to have the genitalia of 10-15 fat, sleazy, disgusting men inside of me everyday', then by all means, she can do that if that is what she wants, but very few women have prostitution in their hearts.

I know, because I'm a woman, I know women and I've considered prostitution. Why? Not because I think it would be fun to lay on my back all day providing a dumpter for men to relieve themselves inside.

These are general reasons as to why women choose prostitution:

a) Drug addiction (I don't have much sympathy there. I think if drug use becomes important enough to start selling yourself for it, you have a problem)

b) Financial difficulties, lack of work/regulation against women's working/lack of work experience in which case a woman feels she doesn't have much choice. There is a lot of money to be made in prostitution. & it's as easy as spreading your legs.

c) A gradual progression. Usually, the case of which a woman comes to the conclussion that man is going to involuntarily take from her anyway, see her as a sex object anyway, try to pay her to get in her pants anyways. She's going to getr harassed anyways, why not get paid for it?

Now as for forced prostitution and child prostitution, this is an entirely different matter and is disgusting. HOWEVER, as much as personally, I dislike prostitution, the effect it has on a woman's esteem, the way that it encourages men to few women/sex... If prostitution were legalized:

Sex trafficking would be slowed drastically,
Prostitutes who had been raped/mugged/beaten could go to police for help without fear,
Dangers for prostitues would be generally reduced.

The problem isn't prostitution. The problem is men's obsession with sex, and meaningless sex at that. Yes, men who go to prostitues disgust me, you don't know if that woman is there voluntarily or not, and even if she 'chose' to be there, you can be sure that she's not enjoying the experience whatsoever. A man who thinks a woman's body is worth cash, that sex is more important then a being's comfort, and who can treat women in such a way and make such demands is a terrible one.

But, men are not going to change. They will always be shovenistic pigs (Don't mean to stereotype, I'm sure there is one or two decent men in the world). Legalizing prostitution however, will make prostitution safer for the women.

Originally posted by breakherlegs
Yes, prostitution IS one of the world's oldest proffessions, but only because of the way MEN have always treatred women, and in case you were not aware, women never had much career/education choice, and in many parts of the world still don't.

Now, if a woman really goes 'hay, sounds like wonderful idea to have the genitalia of 10-15 fat, sleazy, disgusting men inside of me everyday', then by all means, she can do that if that is what she wants, but very few women have prostitution in their hearts.

I know, because I'm a woman, I know women and I've considered prostitution. Why? Not because I think it would be fun to lay on my back all day providing a dumpter for men to relieve themselves inside.

These are general reasons as to why women choose prostitution:

a) Drug addiction (I don't have much sympathy there. I think if drug use becomes important enough to start selling yourself for it, you have a problem)

b) Financial difficulties, lack of work/regulation against women's working/lack of work experience in which case a woman feels she doesn't have much choice. There is a lot of money to be made in prostitution. & it's as easy as spreading your legs.

c) A gradual progression. Usually, the case of which a woman comes to the conclussion that man is going to involuntarily take from her anyway, see her as a sex object anyway, try to pay her to get in her pants anyways. She's going to getr harassed anyways, why not get paid for it?

Now as for forced prostitution and child prostitution, this is an entirely different matter and is disgusting. HOWEVER, as much as personally, I dislike prostitution, the effect it has on a woman's esteem, the way that it encourages men to few women/sex... If prostitution were legalized:

Sex trafficking would be slowed drastically,
Prostitutes who had been raped/mugged/beaten could go to police for help without fear,
Dangers for prostitues would be generally reduced.

The problem isn't prostitution. The problem is men's obsession with sex, and meaningless sex at that. Yes, men who go to prostitues disgust me, you don't know if that woman is there voluntarily or not, and even if she 'chose' to be there, you can be sure that she's not enjoying the experience whatsoever. A man who thinks a woman's body is worth cash, that sex is more important then a being's comfort, and who can treat women in such a way and make such demands is a terrible one.

But, men are not going to change. They will always be shovenistic pigs (Don't mean to stereotype, I'm sure there is one or two decent men in the world). Legalizing prostitution however, will make prostitution safer for the women.

I find it ironic that you are calling men chauvinistic in the same post in which you are displaying nothing but chauvinism, even if of a slightly different sort (female rather than male).

Out of curiosity, were you once a prostitute? Or a pimp? If not, how are you so sure of those paragraphs full of your own presumptions?

Honestly, it seems like you have a problem with sex. You find it dirty and disgusting. That is a psychological problem of your own, and should not be thrust upon the rest of society. Just because you think what someone else does is disgusting give you absolutely no right to keep them from doing it. What they are doing is absolutely none of your business.

What I am seeing above is a classical display of misandry.

On a side note, you do realize that (according to the lies of the Church), Jesus was friends with a prostitute.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Hah...ha ha... ha ha...

No, I am not a pimp or a prostitute, but I have several friends who are currently in the act of prostituting themselves.

I did not say sex was dirty or disgusting, more that men are. I'm sorry, have you ever been raped/molested/harassed/judged by your appearance alone/been cheated on?

Yes, this is my opinion, but this is a discussion forum and I am entitled to my opinion. If I have never met a man who's prioties were not money and sex, at the expense of people, the environment, whatever. Whatever they have to do to achieve their souless desires of lust and greed.

I've never been treated kindly by a male, and I study psychology, thank you. I know enough about the male brain to know that it lacks compassion and is soley driven by desire. Not to say women are exempt from this, but I here far less tales of men being raped by women, and a woman has never laid a nonconsensual body part on ME.

Sorry to offend you.

Originally posted by breakherlegs
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Hah...ha ha... ha ha...

No, I am not a pimp or a prostitute, but I have several friends who are currently in the act of prostituting themselves.

I did not say sex was dirty or disgusting, more that men are. I'm sorry, have you ever been raped/molested/harassed/judged by your appearance alone/been cheated on?

Absolutely. On January 3, 2011 I weighed 450lbs. Today I weigh 300 lbs. Then, I was just a fat guy in the crowd. Today, I seem to be a MILF/cougar magnet. Of course, I am also a very loyal husband, so I ignore these advances until they get the picture and go away. But the point is, yes, i have been judged by my appearance.

But some women DO like sex. I have seen the biological responses that indicate as much, anyway, with all of my partners throughout life. Matter of fact, I am the passive in the relationship, never asking for the date or making the first move. I never wanted to be thought of as a pervert or overly aggressive (since I am larger and stronger than most people).

Yes, this is my opinion, but this is a discussion forum and I am entitled to my opinion. If I have never met a man who's prioties were not money and sex, at the expense of people, the environment, whatever. Whatever they have to do to achieve their souless desires of lust and greed.

Then you have never met a man. YOu have only met males and boys.

I've never been treated kindly by a male, and I study psychology, thank you. I know enough about the male brain to know that it lacks compassion and is soley driven by desire. Not to say women are exempt from this, but I here far less tales of men being raped by women, and a woman has never laid a nonconsensual body part on ME.

Psychology is based, in large part, on Freud. Freud was under the heavy influence of coc aine when he concocted his ridiculous notions.

Sorry to offend you.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Once again, I never said I didn't enjoy sex, or that I had anything against it. I also have nothing against a woman who willingly choses to recieve money for sex.

Yes, many women do have high sex drives, more and more as women are now allowed to be sexual. But generally, women like to chose who they mate with, and I can't imagine many women who have a sex drive so high they'd wish to entertain 10+ men a day.

Usually, women who enter the industry are devoid of pride and feel they have no other choice. I'm not just saying this out of no where, like I said, I have a few prostitute friends, one of them who has since killed herself. (R.I.P) So I have actual accounts, cheers.

As for that previous remark about Jesus, were you refering to Mary Magdalan? I'm not religious, btw, and actually, she was Jesus's lover.

Anyways, even if she was a prostitute, what does that have to do with anything? This discussion, and my responses were not against prostitues. Once again, I have friends who are prostitues. I have a problem against men thinking that it is okay to use women like such, I'm agreeing with OP.

Now, until I meet a decent male who is prepared to put other beings before his need for sex, my opinion on men will not sway, and my opinion on men using prostitues will never. I'm sorry, but no decent person would ever USE a person for sex. Sex is supposed to be shared.

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


does that include male prostitutes?

your post is sexist and ignorant: "Women are prostitutes because Men perpetuate it"

Originally posted by breakherlegs
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Once again, I never said I didn't enjoy sex, or that I had anything against it. I also have nothing against a woman who willingly choses to recieve money for sex.

Yes, many women do have high sex drives, more and more as women are now allowed to be sexual. But generally, women like to chose who they mate with, and I can't imagine many women who have a sex drive so high they'd wish to entertain 10+ men a day.

Usually, women who enter the industry are devoid of pride and feel they have no other choice. I'm not just saying this out of no where, like I said, I have a few prostitute friends, one of them who has since killed herself. (R.I.P) So I have actual accounts, cheers.

As for that previous remark about Jesus, were you refering to Mary Magdalan? I'm not religious, btw, and actually, she was Jesus's lover.

Anyways, even if she was a prostitute, what does that have to do with anything? This discussion, and my responses were not against prostitues. Once again, I have friends who are prostitues. I have a problem against men thinking that it is okay to use women like such, I'm agreeing with OP.

Now, until I meet a decent male who is prepared to put other beings before his need for sex, my opinion on men will not sway, and my opinion on men using prostitues will never. I'm sorry, but no decent person would ever USE a person for sex. Sex is supposed to be shared.

I think the above poster made a statement that is pretty descriptive:

Originally posted by Thurisaz
reply to post by knightsofcydonia

 

does that include male prostitutes?

your post is sexist and ignorant: "Women are prostitutes because Men perpetuate it"

Even worse, you hold onto your view that "men are lying scum" despite all evidence to the contrary. Your own bad decisions as to a mate seem to pepper your world view with a prejudicial and bigoted viewpoint towards your male counterparts. THus, I have called it misandry.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Um... How many male prostitues for women are there? Lesbian prostitutes? Not saying it never happens, but women rarely pay for sex. Also, I already said that women are not exempt from this. >.> I have many complaints against women, too.

However, my point was about the topic at hand, and sorry to say, prostitution/rape/porn is 99 percent demanded and commited by males.

Like I said, I'm sure maybe one or two males are decent human beings, I've met 1000's who are not, and never one who is respectful of women.

My opinion. My partner? My partner's second priority is sex, his first however is Mother Earth, hence why I adore him. Doesn't stop me from being upset at the way he expects/demands sex from me, or the different stories he's told me about how he treated/used women before me.

Now, guys like to pretend it's normal and natural to degrade and objectify women, but it isn't.

Love & Lust? Not the same thing. Degrading & Desiring? Not the same thing. Using & Sharing? Not the same thing.

I see you are in a debating mood and will totally neglect my points because you are offended by my view on your gender, and choose to defend men paying women for sex, a.k.a using a woman to fulfill selfish, lustful needs regardless of a female's position toward the male in question. Is this because you, yourself, are a user of women? Or are you taking 'let everyone be' to far?

If a woman is totally consenting to having sex with a certain man, and doesn't mind being paid on the side, and you can prove that 100% that she isn't doing it out of financial difficulty/addiction/force/manipulation/lack of work/urgency/low self esteem then go for it! But chances are, most women will be in the industry for one of these stated reasons, not because they being f**ked by countless strangers a day.

reply to post by breakherlegs


I would never pay for sex. It goes against who/what I am. I never have paid for it. I have not slept with or had intimate contact (be it physical, emotional, or any other way) with another women other than my wife in 18 years.

When my wife and I met for our first date, i was wanting a date and possible relationship. She was wanting a one night stand. Through the way I treated her, she developed love for me and we made our life together.

I have never had a one night stand.

I am only offended because everything I have lived contradicts everything you are saying. That is all.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Interesting. So you've taken offense because you believe you are one of the incredibly, extremely rare men who doesn't seek to extort and degrade women.

I'm not to say you aren't, from what you just said, revealing yourt details so openly like that, it sounds like you're more decent then most,

& I do understand how my comments directed at a stereotype of male beings may have been offensive to the few who are decent (and yes, one or two was probably a bit harsh),

But my initial post was directed at men who DO actively pay women for sex. Now, you may have several excuses as to why men do it, but I find it disgusting behavior and very disrespectful to women.

I could be considered a femminist, by now, but I'm not really. I mean to say, I dislike the mass majority of women, as well, but for various reasons. However, prostitution is the topic at hand and that industry is mostly catered to by men.

A man who pays a woman for sex clearly does nor respect women, has sex as a priority and has not taken into consideration the woman's position. This will remain the same.

But, I think it should be legal, to stop trafficking and forced prostitution.

That is all.

I know about prostitution....but I personally do not know any prostitutes. As there are all different kinds of women in this world.....probably some choose this profession...others are forced into it.

In society today there are many, many women that zero in on financially wealthy men and use them to further their materialistic agendas and they are devious about it. Many good men fall for their tactics...and when the woman has gotten all the materialism out of them she can get...she drops the man...and on to the next one. The slang term for these women is (gold-diggers)...and they are very dishonest.

At least prostitutes are honest...they will give you sex for money. There are no hidden agendas.

Originally posted by breakherlegs
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Interesting. So you've taken offense because you believe you are one of the incredibly, extremely rare men who doesn't seek to extort and degrade women.

I'm not to say you aren't, from what you just said, revealing yourt details so openly like that, it sounds like you're more decent then most,

& I do understand how my comments directed at a stereotype of male beings may have been offensive to the few who are decent (and yes, one or two was probably a bit harsh),

But my initial post was directed at men who DO actively pay women for sex. Now, you may have several excuses as to why men do it, but I find it disgusting behavior and very disrespectful to women.

I could be considered a femminist, by now, but I'm not really. I mean to say, I dislike the mass majority of women, as well, but for various reasons. However, prostitution is the topic at hand and that industry is mostly catered to by men.

A man who pays a woman for sex clearly does nor respect women, has sex as a priority and has not taken into consideration the woman's position. This will remain the same.

But, I think it should be legal, to stop trafficking and forced prostitution.

That is all.

I have taken offense because I believe most people to be generally good. You seem to hold the majority of the world in disdain. We have key differences in outlook. But, being a psychology student, you may be able to identify with why the apparent intolerance and narcissism is so off putting.

Please bear in mind I am discussing voluntary prostitution only.
Sex is an appetite. Nothing more, nothing less.
Imagine if every time you went into a diner you were told the chef would not prepare your meal until you had established some type of relationship with him.
And even those who were into 'casual cooking' still expected you to invest a great deal of time in feeding the chef's ego. Assuring him that he made the best food and complimenting his apron.
Be real. How long before you finally break down and state quite honestly that you do not know nor do you wish to know the cook as a human being. You have no desire to know his thoughts on any subject, do not care about his background or the emotional damage done to him by others criticizing his food. You just want two eggs, easy over, sausage, home fries, white toast and coffee. Please just take the damn five dollars and give me what I want.
When I am hungry I would like a meal that will please me. If the cook finds the experience of preparing that meal satisfying or not is not my concern or my problem. Take the money, give me my food and I will go on my way and forget that particular cook even exists.
What is this nonsense that one must emotionally bond with someone before they can be allowed to satisfy your appetite? Sounds like something I would expect from a twelve-year-old girl