For those of you (bottom feeders) who would pay for a prostitute.

While I applaud your effort in compiling your information and sharing it with us, I do believe it boils down to "sex", and sex has always (perhaps always will be) a commodity that Women themselves trade quite frequently, for that which they want.

I agree that it's more complicated than a simple act of reproduction, but in the real world, you're always going to be outnumbered by unscrupulous people, willing to take advantage of whatever mean available to make a buck.

Unfortunately Women are also part of that lot.

The moment you decide that you know what is better for the opposite sex, they will stand up and decry you as a subjugator of their rights. Tread carefully, lest you shoot yourself in the foot.

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


forced prostitution, sex slavery, and any/all variants aside..women(and men, if that's your thing) have the right to do this if they want. not only that, it should be legal and regulated in the US like any other industry. it's not for you to sit up on a moral high horse and decide what is moral and what is not. as a matter of fact, they are doing a service. a lot of people are not able to find a sex partner, or able to maintain relationships for a myriad of reasons. a prostitute brings joy to such a person..it's the puritanical hypocrisy of american culture that keeps this illegal; what's hysterical is that much more immorality is committed BECAUSE it's illegal than if it were legal. I've never lived outside america, but, from what I can tell, in other places where prostitution and to some extent drugs, are legal, crimes aren't exactly skyrocketing, and people are much looser, more relaxed, and frankly smarter overall only in america do we torture ourselves with "morality" laws while, you know, bombing the crap out of brown people all over the world, wherever we can find them.That's not a very "moral" practice, is it?

Originally posted by Akasirus
It is degrading to your soul. That doesn't mean it has to be degrading to the people doing the job, which is all that matters. You were instilled with certain values, either through society, religion, or your upbringing, but that doesn't make them right.

And illegal trafficking is not a good argument for legalizing prostitution, IMO. Those are not the only two options, either legalize prostitution or rape and violent crimes. No, the best argument to legalize it is because you should be able to do whatever you want with your body. The safety and regulation is just an added bonus.

You too were instilled with certain values and it doesn't make them right...either. These are your opinions.
So right back at you. Keep repeating..."It doesn't matter" "No one is being hurt"

The only difference between a gold digger and a prostitute is that the gold digger's actions are considered "legal"...

People often pay for sex, it's just not always illegal. Personally, it's a bit silly that someone cannot profit off a service they can perform, in which there is no victim.

I do get the OP's concern over the current prostitution culture, but most of that is more drug related, and due to the criminal nature of prostitution.

If you legalized it, and regulated it (and taxed it), you'd cut down big time on the whole pimp business, you'd see demand for drug addict prostitutes go way down, and you'd realize tax revenue.

The ONLY downside is the Puritanical morality BS.... After all, it already is legal in some places in the US, and if you look at those communities, you can see the results of legalization.

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


Yes while the stats you named are bad, legalizing prositution would not change this. Neither would having it remain illegal. In fact it may help those that are forced into that lifestyle. But the fact remains, that when people talk about legalizing prositution they are talking about having polaces like the bunny ranch. Also your Opinion means very little in this subject. If you personally disagree with it then you dont do it. Dont throw your beliefs on me. Your arguement about the slaves and human trafficing will always be a concern weather legal or illeagle. Me personally I would not use a prositutes but I would not stop someone who wants to use the money they earned to do so.

Legalising prostitution makes it a job, and not something exciting and naughty, and therefore loses some of the appeal, one would think.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

If you libs are gonna talk about the bible at least get the whole story.

Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, a holier-than-thou attitude[1]) is a feeling of (usually) smug moral superiority[2] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person.

Quotes from you. Who again is self-righteous?

CJ

Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
Legalising prostitution makes it a job, and not something exciting and naughty, and therefore loses some of the appeal, one would think.

Unless one really loves it then it is more than a job.

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia

Originally posted by NoClue206
Forced prostitution isn't the same as normal prostitution. You think the girls down at the bunny ranch are forced into that work?

No, but you think there is nothing wrong with those women? I mean you would say that a healthy, active, accomplished individual would at any point in their life need to pursue prostitution for no good reason? I guarantee all of them had some traumatic event during childhood, or some experienced some abnormal stresses throughout adolescence, or in general would tell you that they are only in it for the benjamins.

Actually the girls at the bunny ranch love sex. They are sex addicts and have decided they might aswell get paid for something they WANT to do all day anyways. Being a nympho is a real condition you know.

Soo much judgement on ATS these days.

reply to post by deadeyedick


Of course! I don't deny there are those ladies who do enjoy sex very much.

Also, on the legalising note, I'm not sure how well the prostitutes would take to having to take their books to the accountants for end of year taxes, or how well the accountants would take to that either

Originally posted by Leo Strauss

Originally posted by Akasirus
It is degrading to your soul. That doesn't mean it has to be degrading to the people doing the job, which is all that matters. You were instilled with certain values, either through society, religion, or your upbringing, but that doesn't make them right.

And illegal trafficking is not a good argument for legalizing prostitution, IMO. Those are not the only two options, either legalize prostitution or rape and violent crimes. No, the best argument to legalize it is because you should be able to do whatever you want with your body. The safety and regulation is just an added bonus.

You too were instilled with certain values and it doesn't make them right...either. These are your opinions.
So right back at you. Keep repeating..."It doesn't matter" "No one is being hurt"

Then i leave it up to YOU to define who is being hurt, and just what exactly you are calling "hurt". Beware, unless you can show a clear victim I will make mincemeat out of any reply.

reply to post by curious7


Hahahahaha yeah.

Originally posted by dainoyfb

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
reply to post by Screwed

 

i feel sorry for people who have to pay for sex...
my goal was to create discussion.

edit on 10-10-2011 by knightsofcydonia because: (no reason given)

I don't recal the last time name calling (Bottom Feeders) was used as a tool to evoke productive discussion.

Translation: "when originally starting this thread, the intent was to express my (long held and possibly adversely affected) thoughts on the subject - it wasn't until this thread got 10 replies deep that I realized my stance on the topic were a little misguided and not thought through, and I am now backtracking a little bit."

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


Yeah, there are several examples of this throughout the thread. I like how the OP starts with an attack, then backtracks and says they want a discussion, and then when one poster says they agree with him/her they state "Well at least one person agrees with me" and everyone else is good with it. Hilarious if this is a "discussion".

On the note of prostituting ourselves everyday in various ways, I guess models and actresses are FORCED to further their careers by sleeping with people. Or do they say to themselves, well, I WANT this, so I WILL DO IT?

Sleeping with Agents to Have a career

Do you feel bad for those who decide to do this? I do - what idiots to put money above self esteem? That said, it is NOT ME. I don't and won't tell anyone what they do to themselves is my business - it isn't.

CJ

America supports prostitution even though it is illegal here.
www.nytimes.com...

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


OK how about her parents?? Does any Mom and Dad you know hope their child becomes a prostitute?

Are you a parent? Would it "hurt" you if your child was being used for sex?

If your beloved Momma was selling her favors would it hurt you? Why?

Remember I said legalize it. But let's not kid ourselves OK.

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

OK how about her parents?? Does any Mom and Dad you know hope their child becomes a prostitute?

Are you a parent? Would it "hurt" you if your child was being used for sex?

If your beloved Momma was selling her favors would it hurt you? Why?

Remember I said legalize it. But let's not kid ourselves OK.

As i thought. No victims are created. All you mention is the frustration that people would normally have when they are unable to control another person.

yes. I have kids. No daughters, in full disclosure. However, like i always says to my kids, "I am showing you what I think is best. You will make your own decisions, and that is ok. Just don't look back and blame me for not showing you the right way."

For example, my son is overweight. I learned how to diet, then taught him how to diet. If he chooses to not follow a weight loss plan, that is his choice. When he is a grown man, I will not hear about how i didn't provide him guidance, because I have.

You cannot control other people. I know it is frustrating, and "hurtful" to see your children make mistakes. That is life, and should not be legislated against,. We all deserve the freedom to make our own choices (and mistakes).

ETA: i have family that works for a prison. That really hurts me, knowing that people I love would find profit from imposing tyranny and suspending the freedoms of their fellow man. I cannot, however, hope for a law to make it ilegal to be a prison guard, no matter how much shame and pain it brings me.

Originally posted by StopFearMongering
reply to post by MapMistress

 

Nope. Hunting-gathering wasn't a job. It was survival. Definition of job: paid occupation: an activity such as a trade or profession that somebody does regularly for pay, or a paid position doing this.

Yes, food industry is a profession. Among tribes, they'd TRADE food with one another. And the standard assumption is that men hunted, which isn't necessarily true because there were female hunting deities (Artemis and others)...so women made bows and arrows and hunted too.

With regards to gathering foods which male dominated society claims was "women's work" (thus a profession), in many different ancient societies it was women who gathered foods that started agriculture. They learned that if they gathered the seeds to the plants they ate and simply planted the seeds nearby that they wouldn't have to wander around looking for plants. That's why many of the first crop deities in different ancient societies were female, such as goddess Gaia (mother earth) who was pregnant and gave birth to the plants. Or Ceres, the female goddess of wheat.

Plus in ancient societies around the globe, it was crop goods buried with the women ONLY. Whether it be ancient China, the Middle East or all around Greece, crop goods (seeds and plants) are buried with the women.

So if the food profession and crop goods are buried with the women in those societies...they were owned by women in those societies. Therefore, men couldn't have possibly traded food for sex if the women owned the crops.

And in those ancient societies where women made bows and arrows and hunted (Artemis worshipping societies and others)...men couldn't have possibly traded hunted food for sex if the women were hunting the meat.

The idea of men hunting meat and trading it for sex--prostitution is a deluded fictional fantasy of patriarchical pimps. Even if it occurred in some ancient societies, it by all means didn't happen in all of them. For every patriarchical society with prostitutes, there was a matriarchical or oligarchical society that had no prostitution.

reply to post by MapMistress


This is a good point. The primary reason that "gathering" was womens work was because it dealt with creating, with giving birth. The gathering most hunter/gatherers did was less going into the woods to find berries, and more about planting "crops" in a natural formation, without "breaking the ground" like we do in modern agriculture. It was womens work because women were best equipped to 'give birth" to healthy plantfoods in the process of sowing the next years crops.

Men were "hunters" because, as a juxtaposition of the creative force of women, men are the destructive force. killing is "mans work" because the male aspect is, in theory, more appropriate for the taking of life.

This shows me that ancient man had a very keen understanding of the esoteric arts, at least insomuch as understanding the way the male/female duad is viewed.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
Actually the girls at the bunny ranch love sex. They are sex addicts and have decided they might aswell get paid for something they WANT to do all day anyways. Being a nympho is a real condition you know.

Soo much judgement on ATS these days.

I'm not sure that they do, in fact their body movements on those HBO series suggest that they are lying, plus the tonality in their voices when they speak is also suggestive of lying. I'm a people reader, so I can tell a lie within 60 seconds.

Bunny Ranchers on HBO who say they love sex overt their eyes up and to the left when they claim that they enjoy sex. They also raise their voices in pitch at the end of a sentence claiming they enjoy sex. Both indicators of a woman lying.

Reminds me of this woman who had an office next door to mine only she was trying to start up an escort service (but never got it off the ground). She openly admitted that she was a prostitute to everyone and apparently she was the ex-wife of a cop. When I asked her "Why" she did it for a living, she said the money. She said she hated sex and never had sex outside of the job. But she said that she always lies to men and pretends to enjoy it because that's what she's paid to do. Paid to fake enjoying the sex.

So when I look at those Bunny Ranchers on HBO, I think of her. Do they really enjoy it? Or are they like the ex-wife of that cop? who contend that when it comes to speaking in front of men...they lie and say they enjoy it because the men expect them to enjoy it and pay them to fake it.