How many of you would pay a prostitute? Or vote to make prostitution legal?

reply to post by Raivan31
Thank you for being honest , and it was quite humorous. Good post !

Legalized. Not that I have ever paid for services rendered. With it becoming legal would bring strict testing for VDs as well as other things, more tax revenue for the gov't etc.

reply to post by redhorse


The idea that "young girls are more likely to be free from disease" has some legs. Many men are attracted to younger girls because the primal drive is telling them that is their best bet for risk free successful procreation. Now, this isn't actual thought, it's a biological drive; it rarely ever gets to the front of their brain, and if it does, and they actually ACT upon that impulse it is in the form of some silly rationalization.

What kind of primal drive is it when an American businessman pays a woman in Thailand $10,000 to have sex with her 10 month old baby girl??? Sick freak should be put to death. Your statement is a crock of doo doo. There's LOTS of women out there who would have sex with a guy for the price of a couple of cocktails at a bar. Primal drive my butt. There is a market for the little girls and, yes, babies out there who are VICTIMS of men who want them younger and younger, not because they have a primal drive to procreate, because they're SICK!! You wanna legalize adults in a brothel, fine, but don't try to rationalize sex with children. How would you feel is some fat, hairy old guy had sex with your 9 year old daughter? If some guy did that to my daughter we'd have a discussion about his primal drives with my car battery, my jumper cables and his nuts.

Progressive?.. ROFL!!.. you really think we have progressed?

I didn't say we have progressed. My whole point is that we're regressing while, ironically, supposedly living in a 'progressive' age.

What you ascribe to, is a world that cannot exist, does not exist, and has never existed...

There HAS been more desirable times in our society in the past in terms of civility. Of course humanity will never be perfect, but it could be a hell of a lot better than it is now.

I would rather pay to play, then go to a bar, pay that way, just to get into a pair of pants that I cannot guarantee by state mandated law, is "clean"...

Women are not just objects for you to use. I understand you have desires as does everyone, but why such a lack of humanity? Are you simply incapable of functioning in a mature relationship or are you just so 2d that you simply live to eat, sleep, and have sex with no desires for a meaningful relationship or emotional bond with another person? Either way, it's just downright sad.

reply to post by lazydaisy67

There is a market for the little girls and, yes, babies out there who are VICTIMS of men who want them younger and younger, not because they have a primal drive to procreate, because they're SICK!!

The devil uses sexuality to corrupt.

Ask any man...if theyre bored, often the more corrupt and bizarre the sexual fantasy, the more turned on they become. Whether this be something as simple as a married man seeking to have sex with an escort, or a more sexually corrupt man, who can only be entertained by S&M, pedophilia, homoexuality, shemales etc.

This is how man works. The evil inclination preys on feelings of boredom....and these feelings are born from ignorance and laziness.

Prostitution is an industry that feeds off of ignorance and laziness.

reply to post by dontreally


I think the difference we need to focus on is the difference between "legal" and "ethical." Something can be legal and still unethical.

If someone could prove to me that legalizing it would not produce more victims of the modern day slave trade, I would still find it unethical and have no problem legalizing it. However, everything I have seen in academic circles says the same thing. It will create a concentrated market system with added abuses of all kinds because the demand would rise, and black marketeers jump in to fill the void of niche illegal demand.

Originally posted by Charmed707

Progressive?.. ROFL!!.. you really think we have progressed?

I didn't say we have progressed. My whole point is that we're regressing while, ironically, supposedly living in a 'progressive' age.

What you ascribe to, is a world that cannot exist, does not exist, and has never existed...

There HAS been more desirable times in our society in the past in terms of civility. Of course humanity will never be perfect, but it could be a hell of a lot better than it is now.

I would rather pay to play, then go to a bar, pay that way, just to get into a pair of pants that I cannot guarantee by state mandated law, is "clean"...

Women are not just objects for you to use. I understand you have desires as does everyone, but why such a lack of humanity? Are you simply incapable of functioning in a mature relationship or are you just so 2d that you simply live to eat, sleep, and have sex with no desires for a meaningful relationship or emotional bond with another person? Either way, it's just downright sad.

Humanity?.. HUMANITY?... LOL!... humanity is "why" we are where we are at, Women are simply trolls of the lowest order, I have no desire to place them on the same level as Man..

It always amazes me, that when a "liberal" tries to regulate mankind's basic desires, they end up causing all sorts of "under--the--table" laws and transactions to happen, for if it cannot be exposed to the "light", then why the hell would you even care to "pretend" that their is a "difference?..

My view is not 2D, but rather "multidimensional", not limited to a simple immoral view (as imposing ones will upon another, for the sake of personal gain, no matter what they gain may or may not be)..

If anything, your soon to be a "memory, an old outdated mode of operation, because when we can expose what we hate or like the best,, nature tends to thin out the herd, to the benefit of the entire race, it's only the "anomalies" (such as yourself and others of like mind) that will be a fond farewell memory..

reply to post by Charmed707

Women are not just objects for you to use. I understand you have desires as does everyone, but why such a lack of humanity? Are you simply incapable of functioning in a mature relationship or are you just so 2d that you simply live to eat, sleep, and have sex with no desires for a meaningful relationship or emotional bond with another person? Either way, it's just downright sad.

Couldnt agree more.

It is sad when people dont seem to see meaning in the traditional family context..

When i hear of a husband and wife who have an "open" relationship, i honestly become disturbed. What kind of spiritual values are we seeking to inculcate in our young? A social acceptance of prostitution would lead to a less rigid idea of marriage. Where an 'open' relationship would become the norm. Where everyone belongs to everyone ala brave new world.

This is where the reject social planners are leading the world. This is infact what the so-called father of philosophy, Plato, advocates in his Republic.

What is that? People have no clue how sacred and beatiful the values we inherited from the Judeo-Christian traditon are.

Only when it is gone, and we guage what the new is, will we be perturbed by the chaos, corruption and self indulgence of it all. Only then would a father who honors and cherishes his wife, by exercizing self control, will a son become inspired by his fathers wisdom and seek to imitate it. A daughter likewise will learn and imbibe the understanding of her mother who sustains the family through her love and strength.

Each part of a family incarnates a particular persona, or energy. Each part plays its part, in complete union, in complete complementarity. There is a NATURAL GOOD to a woman who SEEKS to be a mother. Could anything be more natural? These women lib gnostics (the school of thought which inspires such antinomian rebellion) are UNNATURAL. They REBEL against nature. A woman who doesnt want children is an abberation. She is broken. shes not permanently broken, and unfixable, but she should atleast understand that she should seek to incarnate this person during her lifetime. It would require work, but work well worth investing the time in.

I cannot imagine a greater joy. I am a man, but i acknowledge, fully, the tremendous beauty and grace in a girl, becoming a woman, and then becoming a mother.

Likewise, there is an importance and worth in a man showing self restraint - sexually - and honoring and cherishing his wife. He should always know that his relationship with his wife is an ever evolving entity. It has its up and downs. Sometimes a man becomes bored. Thats understandable. In Judaism (something i think non-Jews could learn from) a man and a wife dont have sex when a woman is on her period. This has profound pratical consequences. If a man isnt having sex with his wife for 2 weeks, imagine the excitement and sexual energy built up in the interim? When her period finishes, and shes ritually clean, the spark has returned. The sexal excitement is back in the marriage. Taking a break, actually serves to strengthen the relationship.

Originally posted by lazydaisy67
reply to post by redhorse

 

The idea that "young girls are more likely to be free from disease" has some legs. Many men are attracted to younger girls because the primal drive is telling them that is their best bet for risk free successful procreation. Now, this isn't actual thought, it's a biological drive; it rarely ever gets to the front of their brain, and if it does, and they actually ACT upon that impulse it is in the form of some silly rationalization.

What kind of primal drive is it when an American businessman pays a woman in Thailand $10,000 to have sex with her 10 month old baby girl??? Sick freak should be put to death. Your statement is a crock of doo doo. There's LOTS of women out there who would have sex with a guy for the price of a couple of cocktails at a bar. Primal drive my butt. There is a market for the little girls and, yes, babies out there who are VICTIMS of men who want them younger and younger, not because they have a primal drive to procreate, because they're SICK!! You wanna legalize adults in a brothel, fine, but don't try to rationalize sex with children. How would you feel is some fat, hairy old guy had sex with your 9 year old daughter? If some guy did that to my daughter we'd have a discussion about his primal drives with my car battery, my jumper cables and his nuts.

You really have to ask those kind of questions?.. man (AND women BTW) are nothing more then basically animals, with a free will that determines which direction they decide to "suppress", not endeavor in...

Pedo's, homos, lezzies, and the huge other forms of debasement, speak volumes over what we "truly desire" as a human race..

The younger they are (male female) the more desirable they become, the more "innocent" they maintain, the more sex they get.. it's an old, old story, nothing new, and yet we act as if we have advanced enough to overcome what we are basically "ANIMALS" ...

Prostitution is simply a form of transaction, no matter the transaction.. look to the way things are now to see a similarity, and then begin to realize, that we have not changed one--damn--thing..

reply to post by jamesackerson


So i take it you enjoy the esocrts/prostitutes.

I admit, i have been tempted. I have an unusually strong sexual inclination....but ive promised myself NEVER to indulge in escorts for fear of what it would do to me.

You for instance have built a philosophical edifice around this one desire. You have such a lust for sex that you have commissioned your own mind to justify it. I dont know. I think the mind should lead the heart, and not vice-versa.

Nihilism is such a nefarious force. And only a nihilist could see prostitution as fine.

Sex for money? It's already legal, it's called MARRIAGE!!!! Think about it!

On the other hand, if a women wants to have sex and make it a business for herself, good for her. It's her right to do as she wants with her body.

Just like a date, the guy pays for everything and then has sex with the girl, that technically is prostitution. The girl benefitted by going on the date and having everything paid for her. Having sex was a bonus for both actually.

I really don’t see what the big deal is with a woman or a man getting paid for sex. Maybe it’s illegal because the government doesn’t know how to tax it.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
It should be legal since a woman's body is her property essentially.
Just as suicide should be legal.

However if we had a system that made sense and protected people's liberty, no one would need/want to be a prostitute or commit suicide anyways.

Sure, I am in principal against killing myself or lowering a woman to the level of a prostitute, but I would never desire for a system of tyranny to be established to use force or violence to prevent them from doing what is their right.

Living in an unjust system is the causation of many of these problems in the first place.

I respect your opinion and principals, though I may not agree with them.

When you say "lowering a woman to the level of a prostitue" are you choosing those words based upon the current situation with prostitution? I am interested, as if this ancient profession were legal and regulated then would a woman still be lowering herself by partaking in it? Also, is it not the choice of the individual? Surely you support "liberty and justice for all"?


Regards, Skellon.

reply to post by lazydaisy67

Heart to heart babe .. you and me = car batteries and pervs .

reply to post by lazydaisy67

Heart to heart babe .. you and me = car batteries and pervs .

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by jamesackerson

 

So i take it you enjoy the esocrts/prostitutes.

I admit, i have been tempted. I have an unusually strong sexual inclination....but ive promised myself NEVER to indulge in escorts for fear of what it would do to me.

You for instance have built a philosophical edifice around this one desire. You have such a lust for sex that you have commissioned your own mind to justify it. I dont know. I think the mind should lead the heart, and not vice-versa.

Nihilism is such a nefarious force. And only a nihilist could see prostitution as fine.

You assume (as all others including myself) that I am partaking of this in the US, when it could be nothing further from the truth..

I agree, that legalizing it, would end the BS stigma we have with it, the acceptance of what "really is" versus the lie we try to maintain...

I do not "do" whores here in the US, because of the BS laws we have (and the lack of legal medical records to back up their cleanliness) , but when overseas,, I have nothing to worry about (well not having enough money could be a problem LOL!) because it is an "Accepted" form of transaction, much more honest, and I have had teens when I am overseas (and yes it was consensual and legal), as well as MILF's..

Now you may decide what "age level" I stopped at (by your own personal moral preferences), but I assure you, everything was above board, legal,and best for both parties..

The only ones I see crying a river here, are the ones that never lived in another country, the ones that cannot deal with our "dark matter" selves , and the ones that refuse to deal with "reality" as it is, rather then as they "projected" it as being most desired..

I do not desire sex, I simply deal with the animistic need to "procreate", currently I pay some whore (girlfriend(s) actually) the near equivalent of what I would in another country, by buying them dinner, a movie, a free ride to some BS place they happen to "mention", play the BS game of "I like you, I feel we have a connection, in other words, I play the Hollywood game of acting we all learn to do here in the US, in order to pay for what I want for the night, if they do not give it up? fine, I call my next in line, and proceed from there..

Your acting as if we have some moralistic code, that prevents us from "DEALING" with what we are?..

I feel sorry for you.. really I do..

Would i pay a prostitute? No. Never. I am humble and do not wish to be naked in front of strangers.

Would I vote to make it legal? Absolutely. It is not my concern what women do with their bodies.

I find it inappropriate and absurd that the mantra around the approval of abortion is "its a womans body, she can do with it what she wants". Its a womens rights issue. Yet prostitution is not considered using the same logic. This hypocrisy, especially when one side allows the death of a human (potential or not) is Kafkaesque, at best.

reply to post by commdogg
Thank you . What your post brought up up were the fundamental values of my post. The ethics , and the harm principle behind the legalization of prostitution. I believe you are the only one that's posted , that has made any true controversy .... you really need to post some sources though . Not that i am lazy ...but just because you you have made some profound statements.

I find the terminology used for intimate relations is degrading in and of itself. Getting laid, getting screwed,
getting your rocks off, it somehow takes away from the preciousness of our value as humans.

Are men so cheap that they can't handle buying a women a five dollar drink and ten dollar meal without
the thought of "getting laid" in return. In a world where going out on a date is the equivalent in so many
mens minds with the woman being expected to prostitute herself in return, and yet
the woman is seen as the one who is financially oriented.

No woman that is not living on the street needs a drink or meal that bad.

I know we live in an oversexualized culture but something is very wrong here.

Is it just me, or are alot of men out there dogs. Not all but alot.

You would think that by listening to some of this that if men don't get some then they will literally explode
into a million pieces and no longer be able to physically exist.

Does it not matter that the most of the posters here who have known prostitutes say they end up becoming very different
people who have deep scars. I'm sure it deadens them inside in some way.

Two consenting adults, two consenting adults, only one, has the money, usually the male, therefore he is the consenting
adult in a power position, the other more often than not lacks money and does this to survive.

Do the majority of men not have any sense of their own sexual dignity. They are degrading their own
bodies amd sense of unique personhood when they have sex as if it's solely a form of exercise. Why do so
many men seem to lack this sense of sexual dignity.

Women are simply trolls of the lowest order, I have no desire to place them on the same level as Man..

I see...you're just yet another screwed up individual with mommy issues. Legalizing prostitution would only reinforce your type of mindset.

It always amazes me, that when a "liberal" tries to regulate mankind's basic desires, they end up causing all sorts of "under--the--table" laws and transactions to happen, for if it cannot be exposed to the "light", then why the hell would you even care to "pretend" that their is a "difference?..

Liberals are the ones who tend to support all kinds of sexual degeneracy, not sure why you seem to think the opposite. What is and is not accepted in a society does make a difference.

My view is not 2D, but rather "multidimensional", not limited to a simple immoral view (as imposing ones will upon another, for the sake of personal gain, no matter what they gain may or may not be)..

You live merely to serve your basic animalistic needs and shun half the world's population as inferior to the other. You can't get more 2d than that. Your twisted view is not at all 'multidimensional'. Why on earth are you talking about some kind of personal gain for myself? Using prostitutes is about personal gain...as is prostituting yourself, albeit degrading yourself and the act of sex itself in the process.

If anything, your soon to be a "memory, an old outdated mode of operation, because when we can expose what we hate or like the best,, nature tends to thin out the herd, to the benefit of the entire race, it's only the "anomalies" (such as yourself and others of like mind) that will be a fond farewell memory..

Luckily, your kind tends not to reproduce. If you think a world of anarchy filled with people living out every perverse sexual desire they have with no discouragement, including raping, molesting children, and having sex with animals is beneficial to the human race, then you, without a doubt, are a severely mentally disturbed individual. Either that or you're just a troll looking for attention.

Considering that making it illegal has never stopped it and has actually made it a bigger problem (ie younger girls entering it as well as more abuse involved) then I'd say try something else.

I would support it being legalized if there were standards and safe places to operate this sort of business. Make it a business just like any other with laws, regulations and a standard of business practices, ya know? Have age limits on this sort of thing as well and make the punishments stronger when things are not done as they are required. (ie.. if a grown man is found to be sleeping with an underage girl then the punishment should be severe for the man as the girl is still a child.)

Now I have no need to be with a prostitute, I'm happily married and well if I want sex that's what my hubby is there for. LOL But if I were single and that were an interest then it would be beneficial if there were a safe legal place to go to.