99%? Who wants to be a part of the 100%?

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How grassroots can this movement be when a simple scroll through the internet reveals that Big Labor and Big Community Organization are openly supporting it, organizing it, taking donations for it and drafting petitions for it? Some of those organizations are MoveOn, SEIU, AFL-CIO, National Nurses United, Working Families Party, Van Jones' Rebuild the Dream, Adbusters, US Day of Rage, Take the Square, October 2011, We are the 99%, Progressive Change Campaign Committee, CREDO and MoveOn's very own Avaaz.org -- the international progenitor of the Arab Spring.


Does this list truly represent 99% of the US population? If 1% includes millionaires and billionaires, wouldn't the 99% have to include all of those mid-level executives, professionals and small business owners, etc.? Yes. But for purposes of this Marxist Revolution, if you have money in the bank or own property -- be it a hot dog stand or beauty salon -- then you are part of the bourgeoisie.

LINK




The video is self incriminating.

Originally posted by beezzer
And that is individuality. The "you're with us or against us" hive mentality.

That's not much different than the "America love it or leave it" mentality.

I mean everyone standing behind the constitution is pretty collective. You might say that the constitution allows for individuality and while this is true it doesn't mean it is the only thing that allows individuality to exist.

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by beezzer
Something I've noticed.
As these groups evolve, and their message evolves, one thing I see is missing.

And that is individuality. The "you're with us or against us" hive mentality.

There is a tendancy to lump all individuals into a specific group. Be it by others or themselves. Self-proclaimed socialists, communists, anarchists, what have you; are moving away from the individual.
Individuality is being replaced by the concept of "what is good for the group".

No they're not. Have you forgotten the General Assemblies where EVERY VOICE IS HEARD?? Have you been to any of these protests where ANYONE CAN SPEAK OUT TO THE GROUP?? The collective is MADE UP OF individuals and the group highly values the individuals. In fact, the group ISN'T rigidly controlled, therefore individualism is fire hot in OWS.

So they'd listen to any individual voice. When Stossel went to visit, they boo'd him out. They only listen to those that conform to their own group-think.

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ummmm Sonny, we agree and since i've seen that video previously, are you just reiterating points or are you of the opinion that i'm mistaken?

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Just reiterating to those who believe that their voice counts at OWS.

I honestly feel bad for these people. They should do some homework.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by beezzer
And that is individuality. The "you're with us or against us" hive mentality.

That's not much different than the "America love it or leave it" mentality.

I mean everyone standing behind the constitution is pretty collective. You might say that the constitution allows for individuality and while this is true it doesn't mean it is the only thing that allows individuality to exist.

geeeeeesh, do you folks make any effort to learn?
the Constitution does not allow anything ... It protects that which i already possess ... ie, individuality.

i'm not sure what you think also allows individuality to exist but the only answer i can conceive is birth.

yes, there is a collective that supports the Constitution, however, it is no "hive" like OWS.
yes, many Americans choose the ultimatum, love it or leave it but why is that wrong?
after all, it is your Constitutionally protected right to stay or leave just "don't tread on me" while you decide.

Originally posted by Honor93
geeeeeesh, do you folks make any effort to learn?
the Constitution does not allow anything ... It protects that which i already possess ... ie, individuality.

Right you are but so do constitutions around the world and even things like the Decleration of Human Rights.

yes, there is a collective that supports the Constitution, however, it is no "hive" like OWS.

Why is it hive mentality when they do it but not when you do it?

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by Honor93
geeeeeesh, do you folks make any effort to learn?
the Constitution does not allow anything ... It protects that which i already possess ... ie, individuality.

Right you are but so do constitutions around the world and even things like the Decleration of Human Rights.

Why is it hive mentality when they do it but not when you do it?

Freedom of expression is allowing voices to be heard that don't necessarily agree with your own view.

Try going in front of the OWS crowd and express a viewpoint that differs from theirs.
THEN you'll see a true hive-mind reaction.

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personally, i'm beginning to think they should focus on demanding a "refund" of their educational expenses ... they sure got ripped-off in that transaction, IMHO.

here's a juicy tidbit i came across in another thread ...
i haven't had a meal like this in a looooong time, almost makes me wanna go join the "party"

original post
They may sleep in the park, but they eat like kings.

Hundreds of grimy protesters laying siege to Wall Street and stuffed into the now-smelly Zuccotti Park dine each night on gourmet meals prepared by a former hotel chef using only the finest organic ingredients.

“We’re running a five-star restaurant down there,’’ crowed Eric Smith, 38, the ex-le Chef de Tournant at the Sheraton in Midtown, who works out of a soup kitchen in East New York, Brooklyn, churning out the meals for more than 1,000 protesters every day.

“The other day, we made some wonderful salmon cakes with dill sauce and some quinoa salad and a wonderful tomato salad with fennel and red onion,’’ he said.

So last night, for example, while your family of four may have been forced to resort to Hamburger Helper, thanks to Smith’s culinary magic, hordes of Occupy Wall Street protesters instead feasted on organic chicken, spaghetti Bolognese, roasted beet and sheep’s milk-cheese salad and wild heirloom potatoes.

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That is bound to happen in all types of gatherings. Humans just act that way. I'm sure I would get pushed out of any gathering if I came with an opposite point of view.

Originally posted by daskakik
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That is bound to happen in all types of gatherings. Humans just act that way. I'm sure I would get pushed out of any gathering if I came with an opposite point of view.

Yes,but OWS is supposed to be the anti-Tea Party. EVERYONE'S opinion counts. A social mecca for change. The only thing I see is a million opinions from 6000 OWS supporters,who say they represent 99% of America. If 99% of America decided to protest,I guarantee their voices would be heard.

Originally posted by daskakik
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That is bound to happen in all types of gatherings. Humans just act that way. I'm sure I would get pushed out of any gathering if I came with an opposite point of view.

Go to a Tea Party rally sometime. You'd be allowed to speak, then there would be most who would just try to change your mind.

But you'd be allowed to speak!

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by Honor93
geeeeeesh, do you folks make any effort to learn?
the Constitution does not allow anything ... It protects that which i already possess ... ie, individuality.

Right you are but so do constitutions around the world and even things like the Decleration of Human Rights.

yes, there is a collective that supports the Constitution, however, it is no "hive" like OWS.

Why is it hive mentality when they do it but not when you do it?

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excuse me but the DoHR declares the obvious ... it does NOT PROTECT anything.
don't suppose you could / would link to any of the other constitutions you claim are similar or provide the same protections?

a "hive mentality" is not the same as group sponsorship ... 2 different collectives with 2 different goals ... surely you see that one clearly?

if not, try this ... hive mentality --> all or nothing ... exemplified in OWS numerous ways.
it's our way or no way
refusal to listen to any opposing opinion (all or nothing)
you (TPTB) will concede or we will take drastic action (all or nothing)
getting arrested is honorable and part of the process (all or nothing)
general assembly refuses to relay opinions of which they disagree (all or nothing)

need more ????
here, how 'bout this one ... OWS doesn't even protect their own ... rather, enables rape of 19yr old in Cleveland ... story

According to police reports, the 19-year-old student was instructed by “Occupy Cleveland” personnel to “share a tent with the suspect due to a shortage of tents.” The suspect identified himself as “Leland” to the woman. The woman told police that after she had thought the suspect went to sleep in his own bed, she slept in a sleeping bag provided to her by the rally.

how many other OWS participants are speaking out about this incident? nah, gotta protect the hive ... that chic is on her own, wait and see.

group sponsorship --> we individually and mutually agree to accept the declaration as our own.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and that is not gonna happen in / to / for / or with OWS

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There's more than a few vids on youtube with acts of violence at tea party gatherings. Probably not the norm but it happened. This guy had a pro-Obama bumper sticker and he got his car rammed:

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So if we're going to condemn all Tea Party members for an act of a few, then it wouldd be also appropriate to condemn all OWS for the acts of a few also.

Caveat; that it isn't the norm.

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You could probably pick any constitutional republic and get similar results. Here is India's Constitution Article 19 reads:

Right to Freedom 19. (1) All citizens shall have the right—
(a) to freedom of speech and expression;
(b) to assemble peaceably and without arms;
(c) to form associations or unions;
(d) to move freely throughout the territory of India;
(e) to reside and settle in any part of the territory of India;
1[and] 2* * * * *
(g) to practise any profession, or to carry on any occupation, trade or business.

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I'm not condeming anyone I'm just saying that it doesn't surprise me that a group of people would act like that. Your the one throwing negative labels on OWS while turning a blind eye to some of the going ons at tea party gatherings.

You offered tea party gathering as places where opposite views are respected. I just pointed out that that isn't always the case.

Originally posted by daskakik
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You could probably pick any constitutional republic and get similar results. Here is India's Constitution Article 19 reads:

Right to Freedom 19. (1) All citizens shall have the right—
(a) to freedom of speech and expression;
(b) to assemble peaceably and without arms;
(c) to form associations or unions;
(d) to move freely throughout the territory of India;
(e) to reside and settle in any part of the territory of India;
1[and] 2* * * * *
(g) to practise any profession, or to carry on any occupation, trade or business.

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oh come on now ... did you really think i wouldn't read it ???
no, not all 471 pages but i did peruse the important parts.
i needn't go any further for it spells out your rights, it guarantees nothing.

it cannot compare to the Constitution of the United States or the Bill of Rights or even the DoI for that matter.

i am free from birth, not by a paper or a person or a govt or an age for that matter.
IF my mother chose to drop me in the woods to be raised by a pack of dogs, that IS her right as an American ... there is nothing to prevent such acts although there are legal consequences for said acts (should she be caught).

whereas, the Constitution of India spells out specific language protocols.
(even between ppl & states)
in the US, you can still "press 1 for English" ... that's hardly comparable guaranteed freedoms.

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Never said it was that same but the main idea was that people are free to be individuals. In that respect Indians as well as citizens of other countries are free to be individuals.

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wow, I wonder who donates all the ingredients? The soup kitchen?