So, Steve Jobs is dead... but what did he really give us?!?!

reply to post by Odessy


You were wrong. The very thing you mentioned was available over twenty years ago. What case is closed?

The first videophone system available to the public was actually in Germany between WWI and WWII. They were located at post offices in several cities. You could make a call from a public phone booth to another videophone booth and see the person answering. AT&T actually had videophone booths available in Chicago, New York City, and Washington DC from 1964 until 1968.

Videophone technology has been around for over seventy years. It was not a thing of science fiction. Heck Skype has been offering it since 2004. Even before that people were going to video chat rooms on the internet. Videophone capability, video VOIP, and "cam chat" have been around for years. The porn industry was using it on line at the end of the 1990s.

He was a great man, the things he created, i personally don't use Apple products at all, but still.. he did well till it was up, so R.I.P to Steve Jobs.

I'm sure Jobs family is just torn

just torn how they will spend their money...

Hey maybe they will be nice and create a
few jobs for us serfs..

Probably be for just overseas anyways.

How about they bring that plant TO AMERICA!!!
Let us make your ipad, iphones, and pay people a REAL WAGE..

Screw apple and steve jobs rip's *brotha*.

reply to post by Muckster




Great thread I have given many flags over the years this one feels the best.



Steve makes me think about karma he truly does. He did not bring people together he was paranoid fascist. His life should be a lesson on what not to do. Sure he was rich but I bet he was lonely and sad.

Well, nice and politically correct, from Wiki:

Jobs returned to his previous job at Atari and was given the task of creating a circuit board for the game Breakout. According to Atari founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little interest in or knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. According to Wozniak, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had given them only $700 (instead of the actual $5,000) and that Wozniak's share was thus $350. ...
While Jobs was a persuasive and charismatic director for Apple, some of his employees from that time had described him as an erratic and temperamental manager. ...
In the coming months, many employees developed a fear of encountering Jobs while riding in the elevator, "afraid that they might not have a job when the doors opened. The reality was that Jobs' summary executions were rare, but a handful of victims was enough to terrorize a whole company." Jobs also changed the licensing program for Macintosh clones, making it too costly for the manufacturers to continue making machines. ...
After resuming control of Apple in 1997, Jobs eliminated all corporate philanthropy programs. ...
In 2005, Jobs responded to criticism of Apple's poor recycling programs for e-waste in the U.S. by lashing out at environmental and other advocates at Apple's Annual Meeting in Cupertino in April. ...
In 2005, Steve Jobs banned all books published by John Wiley & Sons from Apple Stores in response to their publishing an unauthorized biography, iCon: Steve Jobs.

42nd richest man in the world, and no, he wasn't a nice guy.

He may have been the creator of Apple, a good public face etc...but has anyone heard of en.wikipedia.org... ? If anything, he deserves the/some credit...

this is what steve jobs didnt bother tgaf about

www.youtube.com...

Well done OP. I'm so pleased someone came out and said this.
Sad that anyone should die at that age but I think I would have done just fine without his inventiveness and his drive. He made no difference to MY world. There were some people getting Pride of Britain awards this week. These are the people who should be celebrated.

Thank you, thank you, thank you Muckster for this thread. I made a similar point on facebook and got pounced on and ridiculed by almost everyone.

I have nothing against Steve Jobs personally. It's the worship of he and everything Apple that grates to my very bone. I'm no fan of Apple and refuse to own any of their products, but I do have some small admiration for their design aspirations. What discredits Apple (and Steve Jobs) entirely, in my opinion, is the part they have played in creating a consumer society - releasing new versions of products every couple of months to continue squeezing every last penny out of braindead sheep-like consumers, who in turn praise the company - who are essentially conning them - as sacred. It's sickening to watch to be honest.

When did we so willingly give up our sense of individuality, non-reliance on technology, non-adherence to brands, care with money, sense of compassion for slave-labourers and priority given to actual inter-human contact over 'digital' relations?!

He managed to transform a totally free and secure operating system into the most expensive and least secure operating system.

Nobody can deny the impact that Steve Jobs (or Steve Wozniak for that matter) have had on the computer industry. From the first Apple computer they set out to revolutionize the market and make computers more user-friendly. But, I'm not going to go into the history of Apple.

May his legacy live on.

Steve Jobs was a technocrat and a transhumanist. He was also a hypocrite, a con man, and leader of the creepy iCult.

He probably did more to advance the transhumanist agenda than anyone else has, including Bill Gates and those naughty little fellows at Google and Facebook. No small feat. He sold his products as status symbols, using the cult crap to make people *have to have them* without thinking about or looking into the risks. Many have cited his innovations as having made technology easier to use.....which is the point of transhumanism, so yes, he did. These gadgets are fast becoming more than conveniences, but crutches. Soon they will have crippled us. This, of course, is the plan. Check into the DoD background for the iPhone 4's new OS. Then tell me how great a guy Steve was.

I don't fault anyone for thinking it's sad someone died, or for feeling that this is a loss for technological innovation. But flags at half mast and cultish little boo hoo fests at Apple Stores and the endless " Steve Jobs was a god " crap is too much.

The fully human world would do better with fewer NWO slave masters around designing better electronic leashes to lead us into more secure electronic pens.

The only thing positive this man has done was promote the use of '___' for intelligence and consciousness expansion.

Other than that he's like every other corporate leader....Making sure technology takes baby steps in order to maximize profit and ensuring that useful technologies are unable to make it to the public in less than twenty years.

And who cares anyway, another billionaire who could have done something useful for humanity and didn't bites the dust. Good riddance.

How about we care about mothers, fathers, children, brothers, and sisters being blown to bits in the middle east, starving in Africa (and every other country), manipulated in into servitude with debt in America, and all the rest of the nameless millions who aren't famous that die every day and get no recognition except the use of their statistics to manipulate those still alive by our government and business (sorry for redundancy) interest.

Yeah it's sad for his family...but you know what.... its infinity less sad than what happens to people who aren't super rich. He truly did little to help anyone with his supposed "genius" beside donate enough to negate his and his companies taxes.

So, Steve Jobs is dead... but what did he really give us?!?

For One that Stands Out !

The Exposure of a Computer Graphic User Interface ! For Everyone !
Stolen By Microsoft! literately !
Then Later ...
Berkley Software made GEOS for the Commodore 64
The C

Here See this Movie and and repeat the Question what he really gave US

Pirates of Silicon Valley trailer


The Dream of Breaking the Barrier ! Social Networking of Individualism! AKA Internet
It became a Reality in a sense with Government Barriers and Limitations !

His Vision about that the Video Below !

1984 Apple's Macintosh Commercial



( Note DID Steve Jobs was Given permission to have The Ideas of Xerox ?)
From Seeing the ALTO & STAR
The Alto
en.wikipedia.org...

History of the graphical user interface
en.wikipedia.org...
How Steve Jobs Stole the GUI from Xerox



Steve Jobs visits Xerox Palo Alto Research Center in 1979 (dramatization)



Steve Jobs: Microsoft has no taste!


let see about that ! Yep Job was Right Again See Below Microsoft at it Again I mean DID LOL!
Microsoft -- NO Taste of Originality

Apple WWDC 2006-Windows Vista Copies Mac OS X

Every single company that is in the business of making technological advance hardware have their plants in China , Taiwan , South Korea ..or other Asian Countries because of their cheap labor. They all do the same thing that Apple does...I don't blame Steve Jobs for this , it's the Chinese Gov fault for not doing anything about it....which they never will because that's how that country operates.

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by LordGoofus

 

I think you've missed the point... Providing a long list of corporate achievements does not negate the fact that Apple has used, and continues to use, an exploited workforce. It has used suppliers who deliberately pollute the environment. And it has invented gadgets that, in my humble opinion, make us more narcissistic and inward thinking...

This was summed up best by ooder57 who said...

You will get half way through a conversation with said friend, before they hear a ding in their pocket, pull out their iphone and start tapping away at their screen

These gadgets, which ironically are often claimed to be for social networking, are slowly eroding our social abilities in the "real world"

Unfortunately many people value these trinkets so highly that they can ignore the human and environmental impact.

What have we become?

Peace

edit on 6-10-2011 by Muckster because: spelling

A gadget can't turn someone into a narcissist. they were that way anyway. all apple products do is allow them to indulge in narcisscism with ease. if people are eschewing personal communication for digital interaction, it's the PERSON who is at fault, not the device. Steve Jobs did so much to help us all connect and work better. he did innovate. he did create. and he did it in a short window of life. he KNEW he wasn't gonna be around long. he used that knowledge to focus his life and his work, and he showed us how to do the same thing. he did more in 56 years than the average person does in serveral lifetimes, and he did it to teach us the value of life, and to just get on with it. "stay hungry, stay foolish". RIP Mr. Jobs *salute.

I've always been a little anti-Apple. The products themselves are very good and do the job they're designed to do well, they look nice too. My problem is the lack of control (or should I say the control Apple holds over you). I use a Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc, running Android. It works as well as an iPhone, has superior hardware and the OS is open source and free. I use wmv's for music, which will operate on any platform, player, computer etc, whereas to play iTunes, you need Apple software and won't play on my mp3 player at all. If I need a part for my PC, I go to a computer store, buy it and install it, try that with an Apple.

While the rest of the technological world was pushing towards universal compatibility (and in many cases open source software), Apple did everything they could to control the market and their customers by making Apple products Apple compatible.

Hell, the original iPad didn't even have a USB port, making it impossible to connect 99% of today's comms tech to it. The original iPhone didn't have even a 1mp camera, light/flash or bluetooth when these were all pretty standard years before it came out.

So, what did Steve Jobs do for technology? Restrict the freedoms and choice of the end user, whilst at the same time being a bloody genius in marketing, convincing everyone that Apple stuff was better than it actually is because it shiny.

You kinda have to respect a guy like that!

Originally posted by SamuelCrow
reply to post by TheFrenchPickler

 

He was successful, you obviously are not. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I could have been just as "successful" if you measure success in dollars. Funny thing about that is that I just couldn't step on other people or steal their ideas to get there. Call me a failure I guess....lol. At least I am happy with who I am and can sleep at night.

Originally posted by TheFrenchPickler

Originally posted by SamuelCrow
reply to post by TheFrenchPickler

 

He was successful, you obviously are not. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I could have been just as "successful" if you measure success in dollars. Funny thing about that is that I just couldn't step on other people or steal their ideas to get there. Call me a failure I guess....lol. At least I am happy with who I am and can sleep at night.

stopped reading your post right there.
2nd line.

reply to post by dragonseeker


And I suppose you have been published in national and international magazines...lol? If not, step off. This thread is not a pissing match about me or you. It is about a man, and in my view a bad man, who invented a cult of people to pay him money and lied, cheated and stole to get there. Or, if you like Apple products, this thread is about your hero and your right to defend him beyond the grave.