OWS DOA or Simply Misdirected?

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by neo96

 

Yeah sure that's what happens all the time...

So you just cave in?
Is this how you uphold the legacy of your founding fathers?

I'm not a US Citizen so this isn't really my business but seriously, where did all your proud patriots go???
I had already asked myself where they were when the DHS came for their highly valued Constitution with the Patriot-Act...

Land of the free, home of the brave???

Get your # together and stand up for your constitutional rights!!!

edit on 5-10-2011 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

Curious, the Wall Street protesters are demanding democracy in place of our Republic. At least those who actually know we have a republic, and those who don't seem to think we were democracy and need it reinstated. Lol... If they hadnt had Progressive Education they would know we were a Republic by design.

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Mine certainly isn't the most contributory post in this thread(lol), but I will say your post was absolutely brilliant and appreciated.

And based on your post that would make this movement misdirected, or, technically, directed but in a covert manner.

Definite food for thought.

That was actually a compilation of 3 or 4 disjointed posts I've left laying around here and there at ATS. I re-edited them together in order to try to make them coherent and have some logical flow, and added in some new points that have occurred to me in the interim.

You're right, "covert direction" is closer to the mark. It's only "misdirection" from my viewpoint, and of course the viewpoints of the people in the streets, who think they are heading towards one agenda when the steering committee in the shadows likely has a different agenda altogether. To those Shadow Masters, of course, it's not "misdirected" at all.

If what I say here manages to get any traction - and I've noticed that things said at ATS often do - and it's traced back to the source, I and several other folks here at ATS are sure to become unpopular in certain circles for pointing out that the Emperor is really naked under that lack of clothing. That's ok, though. This isn't a popularity contest. The fate of a nation, and more importantly the people who make up that nation, could hang in the balance.

Covert Action - it's not just for governments any more!

reply to post by SLAYER69


God bless all these folks who have braved the police brutality, been arrested, and voiced their opinion publicly to bring focus to the most important of all problems plaguing this country and the world. Whether it is a perfect solution or being hijacked by TPTB or communists, it is the wake up call this country has long needed and it has awakened many sleepers to the issues and to the idea that protest is still our right as americans and that our voice heard publically and our collective efforts are weapons against tyranny. I for one give a hearty thank you to all the brave folks speaking for me and risking themselves patriotically to create change. The ultimate evolution of this country may well be stoked by this mini revolution on wall street.

Originally posted by Rubber-Ducky
I hope Ron Paul wins.
Hes what this country really needs. The whole mess was decades in the making and we will have to work together to get ourselves out of this jam.

s and f

the mian issue though is what happnes when he wins? The American people for some reason think if Ron Paul were elected everything would be fixed. What we dont take into account are the 535 members of the legislature running their own agendas.

Whoever is elected must not only have a game plan laid out, but also must have the support to put that plan in motion. The American people must get invovled and stay invovled from begining to end. The American people would need to apply pressure to their elected representatives to support ron Paul and his plans in order to get them in place and working.

Without the support and participation of the people, it doesnt matter who we vote into office.

Slayer, nice job as always.

This protest has an agenda. My opinion? Since it (I feel) has it's roots in the White House, it is nothing more than a tool to allow legislators an oppourtunity to "answer" these people with more laws and to allow a distraction to the implosions taking place in Obama's White House.

reply to post by iggy50


I hate to disagree, but if they were truly out to "bring focus to the most important of all problems plaguing this country" they would be in DC, not NYC, especially if they expected any sort of affirmative results.

Not only would they be in DC, but they would have also already have formulated solutions, a new system to replace the old with when they got it torn down, and brought that to the party with them. So far, all I'm hearing is "tear it down", and nowhere am I hearing "here's what we want to build back in the place of it".

Now, the fact is that SOMEONE, some where, has the master plan for what they want to put in place of the current system, and it says a lot to me that they have not yet released the articulation of what that is. There could be several different reasons for that failure, none of them good. Perhaps they feel the ground isn't sufficiently broken to plant that seed yet, perhaps they realize that when it DOES get planted all hell is going to break lose, and perhaps they're waiting for all hell to break loose before they suddenly come up with the "solution" to fix it.

I can't see any of those scenarios ending well unless this "movement" just fizzles out and gets replaced with a serious one, one willing to put forth a serious plan for improvement right up front for public examination.

Awesome and well thought out post Slayer.

And it begins. The day the Unions join the crowd. Earlier today protesters rushed the police barricades. Their violence was met with violence…whodathunk?

But the Police were not in riot gear…yet.

When you see that gear being distributed, it’s going to get ugly folks.

Watch OWS get punk'd...brought to you by the SEIU, MoveOn.Org and other assorted nefarious characters.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Slayer,

as usual,

You took the points that I have tried to communicate and made them lyrical in depth and simplicity.

For that sir,

I thank you.

If these goof balls at wall st. had your intellect, I would surely be worried.

but then again,

they wouldnt be protesting the tail for what the head was guilty of now would they?

The comment at the beginning of this thread about being embarrassed by the youth.

I am not. We have given them this world. I am a Teacher and I see angry, frustrated Children. Some don't eat before they get to school - for some school is a sanctuary away from a nightmare home - some after ten years in school can barely read let alone write.

Children have been given the internet - ipods - mobile phones - they can access pornography online for free. I know I researched for myself. We have given them a world where they see sex, war and violence everywhere. They are as angry as a lot of the adults.

Being embarrassed by the youth may suggest you don't like looking at the direction in which society has moved. I care deeply about planet Earth and her global population. I think what is happening - on a global scale - is everyone who is in some type of pain/confusion is trying to communicate their concerns.

I will always stand with the youth - they are our future and if I do not like what I see in our youth - I need to be a part of the change that is needed. I will never walk away from a Child - never!

Occupy Wall Street - see it for what you will - it is about people trying to be heard in a society that is finding its voice for the first time in its history. Being alive on planet Earth right now is so exciting - change is in the entire atmosphere.

Much Peace...

Since I never know what to believe anymore about much of anything, I have reserved judgement about the OWS movement, at least about its origins. I have to applaud those willing enough to stand up and go out there no matter what there convictions may be; there are certainly enough good reasons for every American to have a reason to stand up and speak up.

I laugh at people that scoff at the participants of OWS and ramble on about "preparing and waiting for the right time..." to begin some sort of rebellion. It's like a grossly obese person saying, "Well, when I reach 600 pounds I'll do something about my weight!" It is far easier to keep up, rather than catch up...and this country has over a hundred years of catching up to do.

A movement needs leadership, and clear-cut and a well defined direction with a goal, things that OWS does not really have on any level. I believe that most (not all) ordinary people attending the protests probably have good intentions, though you may be hard pressed to find any two people to agree on why they are there in the first place. Unfortunately, there aren't just "ordinary people" out there on the streets.

It is my belief that what we are now witnessing has become an experiment. A good sheep dog can herd together a flock scattered far and wide; this movement is a free for all and the flock will go to the strongest dog...a bunch of traumatized, pissed off, disillusioned people with no direction...what they are really looking for is guidance and that is what they are going to get...how ironic the ending turns out to be is anyone's guess, but I'm sure it will be funny if it just wasn't so damn sad.

I think those people speaking out the strongest against the OWS movement are those that are most embarrassed by the sad state of this nation, and just how impotent the voice of the American people has become against the Leviathan. We see a bunch of misguided, under-educated, uncomprehending people that, whether we like it or not, represent us in some way---out there looking like a flock of lost sheep. Our TRUTH as a nation is so befuddled by opinion and lack of understanding, the rift between people is so far and wide, and I believe calculatedly so, that no citizen can possibly comprehend the complexities of what has really happened to this country...unless of course you want to argue that it is fundamentally the same.

I'm not scoffing, I'm not laughing, and I damn sure don't believe a F ing thing I see, or hear, or read. In my gut I know only one thing; it always changes...but if HUMANS have anything to do with it, it'll just get more complex, less rational, and one day closer to death...I pray there is a God...we need one.

reply to post by SLAYER69


I'm more than embarrassed.

I pity them.

This emerging generation is diagnosed over 50% with mental illness, stuck on prescription or illegal drugs, suffering from autism and Aspergers. I don't think they realize what they are doing.

To be blunt about it, the majority of this new generation suffer from mental defiencies and disorders that will either destroy the country or lead to the overthrow of the government by a militant mentally competent minority.

I don't know if its the food, the water, the radiation, the drugs, or what, but the youth of the US are suffering. The numbers of those suffering are growing and will quickly overwhelm the numbers of the mentally competent. Idiocracy is about to become non fiction in the next two decades if the trend continues, but it won't end like the film though. The competent minority will get desperate, militant and do whatever it takes to stop idiocratic mob rule.

Either way, the Columbian Republic as we know it is almost at an end. If history is any indicator, the transition from Democratic Republic to Stratocratic Empire will begin soon. All we need is our Marius and Sulla to show up.

Great post indeed. That young man covered a lot of the problems we are facing.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Ya! Where did this disgusting generation come from anyway??? Are they a race of alien creatures dropped off here...??? They are nothing like the FAR SUPERIOR generations that preceded them, that created them, the bestowed the legacy of this GREAT NATION upon them...nope, they just appeared out of thin air!

Irresponsibility...the basis for all of our problems...I'm not responsible....they are.

BARF.

Thank you for pulling it all together in one thread. This explains what I've been feeling since this whole thing started.

My biggest beef has been the complaints about bankers bonuses being contract guarantees yet has union members trying to organize them from their odd place in the US job sectors. Between wages and benefits union membership add quite a bit into big business profits. All in place due to contracts. Sometimes it seems the ows is just throwing stuff out and looking to see what sticks. Now me personally I count having opened some the late teen early twenties crowd into becoming more politically aware as my efforts to the cause. Ignorance is more prevalent amongst the youth then they like to admit. Lack of perspective for the most part, mixed with a bit of just plain lack of asking. But I fear the whole thing becoming a part of the problem by being hijacked.

Where did this generation come from? They came from their parents - who - were conditioned to believing what the government told them - what the media told them - what their parents told them...

What I believe is happening is that system is broken - people are waking up - whether you believe the media or not it is evident - just by watching the behaviours of the protesters - they are trying to be heard. Think about how you feel when you wake up - even if you jump out of bed with energy - there is still a few minutes of shaking of the effects of slumber. That is what we are witnessing - people who have been dominated and controlled by people they trusted are shaking off the effects of having been a "sleeper".

They don't have a coherent singular message - because there isn't one - everybody is an individual. No two people have the same reason for being there - exactly like ATS everybody is free to express themselves from their own perspective. This is the beauty of the internet - it is bringing people together - and - while we may not all agree on the same opinions - at the very least we are practising at getting along - it's better than not trying!

To the people at Occupy WallStreet - good for you - at least you are attempting to be heard and seen - for that alone you are already winners. As for needing a leader - isn't that what got us into the mess we are in on this planet? I say we look for an alternative to the way we have always lived - we can find it - where there's a will there's a way - anything is possible - even global harmony/global peace and no more greed!

Much Peace...

I just remembered something -


When you teach Children beautiful things - they become beautiful People.


Much Peace...

Sounds like someone doesn't want change. SOunds like you're fine the way things are. I agree these people may or may not be going about this the right wy, but what other options do people have? Get an education and start working? please , isn't that horse straight be to effing death? How about this, we sit around and hope it gets better and keep trying on an obviously broken system. Or we can drop our mothaeffin luxuries which you claim people say doesn't exist and actually do something...people are alrdy jobless might aswell try to change the system that isn't working for them and so many others.

reply to post by agentofchaos


I have a better plan.
Let's just stand around with our hands outstretched demanding everything.
Let's see how long we last then