Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

reply to post by Xcathdra

There are many reasons as to why it was done. If law enforcement put it there to block the window from media, they wouldnt take it back down. I really do think it was done to prevent nosey media types from getting photos.

I could think of several reasons also...so, the question remains, was it law enforcement that put it up? Or was it there when they arrived? This is why I'd like to see the pictures before they started. And even would like to see a photo in the room from BEFORE Lisa vanished.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

There are many reasons as to why it was done. If law enforcement put it there to block the window from media, they wouldnt take it back down. I really do think it was done to prevent nosey media types from getting photos.

I could think of several reasons also...so, the question remains, was it law enforcement that put it up? Or was it there when they arrived? This is why I'd like to see the pictures before they started. And even would like to see a photo in the room from BEFORE Lisa vanished.

Unil media asks, their lawyer explain or the police noted it in the report, we wont know.

Before I forget, im not a lawyer so its possible there are other possibilities / options on your last post.

reply to post by wildtimes


WILD,, do we know that the photos we all saw OF BLACK BAG ON WINDOW are not the police photos? or were not taken at that same time? I mean, what makes you think it was 'left' there by police? Maybe the photos are from the same time, and it's not up today.

reply to post by schmae


I noticed it again today in the video clip that agent X posted of the tour of the home with Cyndy Short. She went into Lisa's room and it was there when she and the camerapersons entered.

I mean, what makes you think it was 'left' there by police?

Not me that thinks that. Gabby said she believed it was the police who put it there (not sure where she got that info).

I actually think the family put it there, but we just don't know. I thought X could maybe let us know if it is standard procedure to do that by LE.

Question for X if you're still here. A week or so back the kcpd said words to the effect of ' the irwins are not suspects in this case'. I thought it odd since there had been little feedback from LE in a while. It's in a link I put up a few pages back I might go try to find. So from an LE point of view,, could THAT have been a lie? A lie to lull the defense attorneys and the family into a false sense of security that they'd gotten away with it? That they have no reason to fear talking to LE, etc? I understand enough evidence could change anyone into an official suspect, but I'm wondering about the wording of calling them NOT suspects.

reply to post by schmae


POSTED ABOVE BY XCATHDRA
Lawyer gives tour of parents house



right there behind Cyndy we see the window covered, even just on the video linky. X says that if LE put it up for privacy from media nosies, they would have left it. But we still have not established if it was LE or not.

Babies need daylight, fresh air, sunshine. If it was put up during the search, then that's one thing. If it had been there for some time, that is another thing entirely. But, like X said, we won't know who did it or why, or if it was there prior to Lisa's disappearance until the case is somehow resolved.

reply to post by schmae & wildtimes

Maybe to keep media and their cameras from peeking inside? Or when I first saw it I thought maybe a broken window or poor man's curtain !

It's all here in the thread somewhere - but - it was reported/rumored/said and unsaid:

- The police put it there to help seeing the Luminol spray. (I doubt that).
- Media placed it there to help in filming. (I doubt that too, lol).

There have been no pictures I've found where the black garbage bag is NOT over the window. If there is I've definitely missed it - and looked hard and long too, lol.

'Poor Man's curtains'? Seems to be more the case but I'd still like to know. To me it's significant for a few reasons but also there's something about it that isn't 'ominous' - just 'off' IMO. It's like Wild said - babies need fresh air and sunshine. It's these little things that add up and leave an ominous feeling in their wake...

peace

reply to post by silo13

To me it's significant for a few reasons but also there's something about it that isn't 'ominous' - just 'off' IMO.

In My Opinion also. Would you care to say why it seems significant to you??
I gave my reasons already.

Wouldn't it be too cold this time of year for that to be a "poor man's curtain"? Not addressing this to anyone in particular, though maybe wildtimes could tell us what the temps are there currently.

reply to post by silo13

'Poor Man's curtains'? Seems to be more the case but I'd still like to know. To me it's significant for a few reasons but also there's something about it that isn't 'ominous' - just 'off' IMO. It's like Wild said - babies need fresh air and sunshine. It's these little things that add up and leave an ominous feeling in their wake...

Whats "off" as well as sad ..is the assumption that it was there before baby lisa was taken..and is being used as another excuse to discredit the family.

reply to post by Redux


You know, I just watched the Cyndy Tour again...and the plastic seems to be not just on the window...but extends below it as well. Maybe it was at one time a doorway? I really don't know.

At the moment, yes, it is cold here. (frosty nights, 40-ish days)....at at the time of Lisa's disappearence it was unseasonably warm and balmy (hence conducive to sitting outside enjoying the Indian Summer day, which probably was what I was doing as well, but I don't remember, really!).

I DO KNOW that the one CNN on-location reporter who said that "people were walking and out barbecuing" the day he was there was a LOAD of CRAP... It was icky, very chilly, drizzly weather on that night that he was there. My husband and I watched his report together, and we looked at each other and said, "What? No way. No one in their right mind is out walking in this stuff, let alone barbecuing."

I have not checked back to see what the temp was the night she vanished, but I really don't think it was mid-40s....(as has been suggested.)

reply to post by Xcathdra

Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering if we were misusing the word "hearsay".

reply to post by Redux


Here's what I dug up on that day/night...
from NOAA:

CLIMATE REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE KANSAS CITY/PLEASANT HILL MO
734 AM CDT TUE OCT 4 2011

...MISCELLANEOUS CLIMATE DATA FROM TODAY...

LOCATION HIGH LOW PRECIP
DOWNTOWN KANSAS CITY 64 55 0.00

www.nws.noaa.gov...

So, yeah. There are other listings in the above Misc Data, but they are from outlying areas. In Lisa's neighborhood, which is adjacent but a bit north of KC downtown (not very far), it was cool, but not chilly that night.

A baby in only diapers would not be very likely....but heck, I've seen babies in tee shirts when it is only 40 degrees. Anyway, the point is that it was not as chilly as the media said on that night. There were people in shirt-sleeves out and about. Including myself (though not after dark -- I'm an early crasher!)

reply to post by gabby2011


No family discrediting is mentioned in any of the posts regarding the window. We are, as wildtimes suggesting, going back through every tiny little shred of anything and looking at what might be there. Because there is no new info, that is all that is left to do. No one said really anything negative about the family. Speculation about why there might be a bag on prior to LE coming is the focus.
If the bag was there before baby Lisa was taken, would that suggest anything? I actually thinkin a very very FAR fetched way, it might suggest they were worried about someone peeking in and seeing her? Could they have had an inkling this might happen? Maybe the 'drug dealer taking baby for bad debt' scenario and they'd recieved some threats? Far fetched but it could be.
OH which direction did that window face? Maybe toward the busiest street? Or the west with the hottest sun , brightest sun during nap times?


Also I looked a bit ont he search X mentioned and didnt' find much. I wonder if they've concluded it and I'm guessing nothing was found or we would have heard?

reply to post by schmae

No family discrediting is mentioned in any of the posts regarding the window.

oh really?..its there ..maybe veiled..but the implication that it was due to the parents not caring about the baby getting sunshine is there...which also implicates it was there before lisa went missing.

'Poor Man's curtains'? Seems to be more the case but I'd still like to know. To me it's significant for a few reasons but also there's something about it that isn't 'ominous' - just 'off' IMO. It's like Wild said - babies need fresh air and sunshine. It's these little things that add up and leave an ominous feeling in their wake...

That being said.. the topic of this thread is about a missing child.

It seems to have turned into an arena for pointing fingers at every little character flaw of this family. Even if Lisa did die by result of an accident by the Irwins.. which they have yet to prove.. I will tell you that there are far worse criminals out there , that hurt children everyday. They could be parents that run foster homes, coaches.. religious leaders..not to mention those that care little about the young causalities of war. These are not accidents , but actions that care little for the child.. and continue to happen all over the world.

I know this thread is about Lisa, and what happened to her..but some seem more intent on finding fault...and seem to want to promote disgust and intolerance...and find every little angle to do so.

If we are to focus on true justice for children, there are many other "stories" that we could focus on, and bang our fists on the table ...for truth..as well as justice.

reply to post by gabby2011


'''oh really?..its there ..maybe veiled..'''''

reply to post by gabby2011


'''I know this thread is about Lisa, and what happened to her..but some seem more intent on finding fault...and seem to want to promote disgust and intolerance...and find every little angle to do so''''

Who's promoting disgust? And in trying to find out what happened to Lisa, someone must find FAULT, that's how you get to the bottom of a case like this, right?
AND yes sadly baby Lisa's thread will probably end one day soon because nothing is coming of it and likely never will
And when that time comes, sadly there will be another little child we can hop over to a thread for them. Right now like Sky Metalwaha

reply to post by schmae

Who's promoting disgust? And in trying to find out what happened to Lisa, someone must find FAULT, that's how you get to the bottom of a case like this, right?

right..like we have the facts on this thread to get down to the bottom of the case..?

Ok.. you continue on with finding fault.. in my heart I believe God knows what happened.. so I'll let him be the final Judge and fault finder..

Hopefully Lisa is with Him now...and if she is.. my heart tells me she is praying for her family..in love..and not seeking revenge..or justice.

Good luck to all of you .

reply to post by gabby2011


No we don't have facts, that's why almost all the posts say things like guess and speculate and my feeling is, etc. We're guessing at what happened, same as you .
I do feel that Lisa is in heaven now. I think almost all of us agree that's where she is. How she got there is anyone's guess. GUESS !