Giza- What is the Egyptian government hiding?

First off, I'm new here, and this site looks awesome!

Second, here's an update on the shaft in the pyramid straight from Bauval's mouth. I sent him an e-mail asking if there has been any more "action" concerning the shaft doors and/or the chambers under the sphynx. He said they actually have gone past the the 2nd door in the shaft, and.....drum roll please.....yet another door! 3 doors. He said there is some plans to go beyond the 3rd door this coming winter, so keep an eye out for that.

As far as the chambers under the sphynx, he said nothing new had been done there, and he didn't know of any plans to further that excavation in the near future.

At Abydos there's inscriptions with pics of helicopters and airplanes. There are electric batteries made from terracotta in the museums. "Cairo" means "city of Mars" in Arabic (Al Kahira). The layout of the pyramids from the air looks like a map of the constellation Orion, or of the positions of the three great volcanoes on Mars. Wonder if Hawass has dug up an ancient flash memory, DVD or even just one stainless steel bolt... if there is any evidence of prior tech-civilization or alien origin on this planet, its gotta be there or under some Mexican or Chinese pyramid. Or in the clay tablet books from Iraq... great thread!

Originally posted by Chakotay
At Abydos there's inscriptions with pics of helicopters and airplanes. There are electric batteries made from terracotta in the museums. "Cairo" means "city of Mars" in Arabic (Al Kahira). The layout of the pyramids from the air looks like a map of the constellation Orion, or of the positions of the three great volcanoes on Mars. Wonder if Hawass has dug up an ancient flash memory, DVD or even just one stainless steel bolt... if there is any evidence of prior tech-civilization or alien origin on this planet, its gotta be there or under some Mexican or Chinese pyramid. Or in the clay tablet books from Iraq... great thread!

There are no such inscriptions at Abydos, sorry. Yes there is evidence of a battery type device in many places, and possibly even the handles to the mystery doors within Khufu's pyramid. Rgards orion. we already know that the ancient Egyptians were believers in astrology, after all, they gave us the calendar. But the link to the Pleiades, is probably more of a key to their majesty.

The calendar and its relevance.

In the Hebrew Calendar, this is the year 5764. The calendar follows the lunar cycle around the earth, each month alternating between 29 and 30 days, with a minor adjustment. A year consists of twelve months and is either, 353, 354 or 355 days. To compensate for the solar year, a month of 29 or 30 days is added every third year. The calendar is also supposed to mark the number of years since creation. Subtract 3760 from the Jewish year returns the current year of the Gregorian calendar. Consequently, 5764-3760= equals 2004, where the 3,760 are the BCE years. Hence, the Jewish record of creation commenced in 3760BCE. It is not known with any certainty when the Jewish adjustment to solar year came about, but it is suggested this happened in the mid 4th century CE. Considering the use of a 19 year rule, I would hazard a guess the attempt to adjust to the solar year could have been made in line with the introduced works by the Greek astronomer Meton, in the 4th century BCE, or during the time the Books of Enoch were written, between that time and 1CE. With all of the historical and biblical documentation going back to the beginning, it seems Jewish scribes did not bother to record calendars.

It is believed that the Egyptian calendar has consisted of 365 days since 4,000BCE, therefore the one-quarter day loss would only accumulate for less than 3 years, no marked distortion today, save perhaps as relevant to Christ�s birth year, which could not have been 2004 years ago by all acounts considered, but at least 2010.

The Hebrew Calendar becomes relevant in dating the approximate time of the creation among other events. Starting with the 3,760BCE and knocking off at the most, 400 years to consider Meton�s works, it stands to reason that 3,360 years consisted of an average of 355 days each, for a total of 1,192,800. Correcting that to 365.25 days/year dates creation at 3265/6+400 or during the Naqada I period of Egypt. The new count then is 3265+400+2004 for year 5,669, a narrowing of 95 years. What accounts then for that 95 years, is a matter of historical reference, and quite explainable. The calendar we use today was devised on the basis of the accounts of the Jewish scribes on the old testament, their jubilees, and the tracing of those jubilee events to the lunar cycles as were known by one Father Christopher Clavius.

Suffice it to say that all calendars, including those per diem advents in use today are still at odds with the historical references that can be traced. For example; the believers in the Mayan end of world at 2012, should note that based upon the Gregorian calendar, coupled with archaeological and historical evidence, 2012 is a maximum of two years away not eight.

Excavations at Naqada revealed a walled town, the historical name for which was Nubt, meaning gold(town) and devoted to the God Seth, the importance of which is related to the Biblical and Egyptian historical references and dating we have, if we are to try to piece together the puzzle.

It is important to note that the seven days of creation are literally taken for its word here when using both the Hebraic and Gregorian years, but for no ther reason than those �seven days� not beng relevant to the exactness of time stamping of the ages to be discussed.

Somewhere in between- There are no such inscriptions at Abydos, sorry.

Ah, but there are! See this link for photos: www.crystalinks.com...

By the way, the section of the Abydos tomb with these aircraft hieroglyphs is off-limits to all per the orders of ... you guessed it, Zahi Hawass. You will be arrested for getting too close to the tomb. It's the third picture down and it seems quite clear to me. Why would there be Vimanas in India, "landing sites" at Nazca, Biblical references that "God" came down from heaven in a fiery chariot, references of Reptialian Gods in Ancient Sumer, but no reference of ancient Aircraft in Egypt? Tisk, tisk.

Of course it was Gods house
The Pharoah was God on Earth even if self proclaimed With only God Pharoahs before him.

But stretching to the length of my imagination, if you are talking about the god from middle eastern scriptures. then there lies a good reason for diplomacy and timeliness
The truth is the truth however hurtfull, however if it disprooves the Christians, Jews or the Muslims Faith this can only end up in further conspiracy theories and religious wars...........Be careful what you wish for

Originally posted by cleasterwood
Somewhere in between- There are no such inscriptions at Abydos, sorry.

Ah, but there are! See this link for photos: www.crystalinks.com...

By the way, the section of the Abydos tomb with these aircraft hieroglyphs is off-limits to all per the orders of ... you guessed it, Zahi Hawass. You will be arrested for getting too close to the tomb. Tisk, tisk.

The power of suggestion especially when looking at a picture can play with a mind. What you see is called, palimpsest, or the placement of hieroglyphs over previous hieroglyphs, as well as what you do not see, a depth perception not visible in that picture, but is in picture of the wall shot itself.

Furthermore, The Temple of Seti 1, as with all of the other more frequently visited sites in Egypt do from time to time close to undergo maintenance on the structures, Seti�s temple has been viewed by millions of visitors, and will continue to be viewed by millions. Anyone that has toured Egypt can tell you that the tours arrange visits to the most popular locations to assist the site management with maintaining the lowest humidity as is possible, by imposing restrictions on anything from the number of visitors per day to the times they may be viewed.

From an up close and personal look at the ceiling relief, one would note the overlay of cartouche and the crumbling in some areas. You will find much more information if you seek to understand more about that relief, as I guess that crystallink would be willing to be objective, given their leaning. Undertake some research on this and you will find that what I say is so.

To many of the western world, the Hebraic Old Testament is the document which is relied upon for creation history, the reason being that the Hebrew people despite all the calamities they underwent, did manage to survive much in tact from the days of yore, and held fast in their oral accounting of history until the day of papyri, that more accessible and easily transportable tableau. Their religion, while not the oldest, by far, is one of the lfew longest surviving. We have proof however, not in papyri, but in glyph form, of peoples older than they. Some say the Babylonians, and then the Sumerians, but even then, the dating of their antiquities do not take as back as far as the Egyptians. Unfortunately, Egyptian lore is mostly engraved in stone, lost until the sands of time are parted by man and revealed accordingly.

Not too long ago, it was accepted as fact that Egypt�s history dated back no further than 3100BCE, what is now called the Early Dynastic age. However, with the unearthing of a walled city in Naqada, that thought changed and now date it as far back as 5500BCE. That would make us 7,504 years into civilization, as opposed to the Jewish historical accounting of 5,764. (which is incorrect anyway from their Biblical account). This is important when considering the Sumerian people and their legends, as we see theirs of the legend of Gilgamesh in Bablyon and Annunaki in Sumeria, cast in stone. The Hebraic history managed to outlive them as their story is still being told, while the other three all succumbed and were abandoned to the plundering of their lands. But they all have at least share �chaos,� in creation, where the Hebrews and Egyptians share ancestry to the first man.

When we read the old Testament, we get the impression that circumcision was a practice endowed to the Jews by God, and as such, we might subconsciously think they were the first to implore this practice. Not so. Abraham lived no earlier than 2000BCE. The tomb of Ankhmahor at Saqqara, c2300BCE has a relief which shows the circumcision of a boy, and a stele of the first intermediate period, c2180BCE speaks to 120 boys being circumcised, or undergoing; sebi. So the question then is, who told the Egyptians about the ritual?

I have mentioned many times the Hebrew connection to Egyptians. We know Abraham had a child by an Egyptian and traveled to Egypt often, we know about Moses and the closest thing Egypt�s references have to him is; Osarsiph. I also mentioned, Thoth and who he was, and Enoch and who he was, and alluded to more than just the similarities between the two. Not that I feel they are one and the same, but that the latter is a reinvention of the former.

The story goes that both have been given the answers to the mysteries of the universe, and both have hidden same. Thoth�s has been somewhat reconstructed from approximately 7 tombs from Pepy I onward, and Enoch�s is supposedly buried in two places, one destroyed by the flood, one remaining in stone, concealed within 9 chambers. In an earlier post, I mentioned Enoch�s vision and seven buildings, and it is in one of those seven, where his supposed mysteries will be found. Abraham knew, for he too is given credit for knowing all the mysteries and being the creator of astrology, writing, mathematics, and he spent an inordinate amount of time in Egypt. The genealogical line is one and the same; Cain slew Abel, and Set(H) slew Osiris. My opinion is that there was no Cain; that the rivers described in Genesis are actually known; that Abel�s brother was banished to a place which fits the description of Naqada; that his children were the descendants of Egypt and then Israel; that the secret of the life is hidden in Egypt, in a place with 9 depths.

We have had no word of late from Dr. Hawass, as to what else he has uncovered under the causeway or the 3 pyramids, not even if he has found the 4th of the doors which relate to the Book of The Dead, which says the soul must pass through these doors in its ascent to the various level of Heaven, as written by Thoth and outlined by Enoch.


[edit on 11/30/04 by SomewhereinBetween]

Gold. What else is there to hide?

Knowledge is Gold.

Somewhere-in-between, honestly, I've seen many photos of the Abydos tomb, including an original taken by a friend many, many years ago and it still looks like flying devices to me, even with the flaked areas showing. Power of suggestion or not, you can't deny the fact that the Ancient Egyptians had toy 'birds' that flew with just a slight flicker of the hand, the Baghdad battery, and many other 'anomolies' as deemed by scientists. I mean, this may be off subject a little but what do you think of the things D'Vinci (I think it was him anyway) drew? i.e. the wonderous flying machines, the painting of The Virgin Mary and baby Jesus where the infant is holding a toy helicopter. They didn't have flight technology yet D'Vinci drew an almost exact copy of the first helicopter. Can't explain that one away or is that subject to power of suggestion as well?

Originally posted by cleasterwood
Knowledge is Gold.

Somewhere-in-between, honestly, I've seen many photos of the Abydos tomb, including an original taken by a friend many, many years ago and it still looks like flying devices to me, even with the flaked areas showing. Power of suggestion or not, you can't deny the fact that the Ancient Egyptians had toy 'birds' that flew with just a slight flicker of the hand, the Baghdad battery, and many other 'anomolies' as deemed by scientists. I mean, this may be off subject a little but what do you think of the things D'Vinci (I think it was him anyway) drew? i.e. the wonderous flying machines, the painting of The Virgin Mary and baby Jesus where the infant is holding a toy helicopter. They didn't have flight technology yet D'Vinci drew an almost exact copy of the first helicopter. Can't explain that one away or is that subject to power of suggestion as well?

Chesterwood, I am not suggesting here that that there were no aliens from outer space since that is not the scope of my posts, but I I have seen the motif, and could not without attempting to make them into aircraft, call them so, no more than I can look up at the sky and say I see a dragon when it is clearly a cloud. I do not deny that the Egyptians were far more advanced than some would like to give them credit for, since the obviousness of that are the pyramids themselves, as well as their astrological and medicinal insight.

Whether you believe that "toy bird" flew is up to you, perhpas it did, but it certainly looks to me like a bird, not an airplane, and I suggest to you that the only reason you associate same with an airplane is because of the way the wings were carved. The other side to that is this; I see no engines anywhere in this very crude "airplane" therefore, I would expect that as it is crude, it would require a propulsion system evident within its frame; if it was sophistacted enough to have some sort of hidden propulsion, then I certainly would expect a rather fancilful rendering. The battery would not surprise me as they were master metalurgists.

Now as for DaVinci and others, that is another discussion. I place that in the same category as sci-fi authors like Jules Verne, or H.G. Wells.

Okay, I get your point, but I'd also like to ask you another question. Although crude, don't you think given the writings of the Mahabarata depicting Vimanas, the descriptions of God coming down to earth in a fiery chariot, depictions of flying vehicles on Mayan temples, and many others also add some credence to the fact that they could have flown? If you look at all the evidence, it seems to point to it in many cultures, not just ancient Egypt so how can the Abydos hieroglyphs be so easily dismissed?

Originally posted by cleasterwood
Okay, I get your point, but I'd also like to ask you another question. Although crude, don't you think given the writings of the Mahabarata depicting Vimanas, the descriptions of God coming down to earth in a fiery chariot, depictions of flying vehicles on Mayan temples, and many others also add some credence to the fact that they could have flown? If you look at all the evidence, it seems to point to it in many cultures, not just ancient Egypt so how can the Abydos hieroglyphs be so easily dismissed?

One can look at it that way yes, but it would be closed-minded to do so, since Heaven or by any other name, is an ethereal place above the world acknowledged by most ancient societies. All of the glyphs, motifs, carvings, mosaics, and paintings you see are from these ancient civilizations who travelled on horses, asses, chariots and ships. It makes sense then that as these were the modes of transportation they knew, their Gods when they visited earth would be descending in a like vehicle, and recall that Egyptians believed they would sail into the netherworld in a ship. When you stop to think about it in that regard, you have to consider that angels didn't need flying 'chariots' they had wings, but even Jesus needs a flying horse. All being some mode of transportation between the heaven and earth.

of the Gods, One God.

The Egyptian Ogdoad:
Out of Chaos that were the eight, came the following exemplified by; Water (Nun and Nunet); Hidenness (Amun and Amunness); Darkness (Kek and Kauket) Infinity (Heh and Hauhet).

The story continues that Atum, the sun God was given existence by Nun, or created himself. Nevertheless, Atum heads the Ennead, or nine, where he divided himself and created;

Moisture (tefnut) and Air (Shu), and they in turn created Heaven (Nut) Earth (Geb), their offspring being;

Osiris, Seth, Isis and Nephthys. Two men, two women. Seth was often depicted as an animal of some sort with a forked tail; is associated with reviled beasts such as pigs; killed his brother Osiris, whose form is represented as a human carrying the crook and flail and associated with crops.

Repeating the above but excluding the names and personal descriptions in ordinary text, and inserting the genesis creation in Italics:

Infinity
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and the earth was without form

Hiddenness
And void.

Darkness
and darkness…

Water
was upon the face of the deep

Atum- the Sun God
let there be light…

Atum divides into air, SHU- transparency and moisture- TEFNUT opague
And God divided the light from the darkness (note not dark, but darkness.)

Heaven (Nut)
let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters…and called it Heaven

Earth (Geb)
let the waters under the heaven be gathered together…and let the dry land appear…And god called the dry land Earth…

Osiris
Let the earth bring forth grass…

It is here we come to the Genesis two creation theories that conflict. God has already created light, and as we know, there is no light without those of the stars/suns. He now creates what we presume to be moonlight and sunlight, without rotation however, we would experience same only on one side of the planet. And the chain of events suggests he made our sun and moon first and then all the others in the universe, however, Gen.1:18 claims he is dividing the light from the darkness, which he has already done in Gen. 1:3. We know that Isis is represented by a sun disk on her headdress, but of Nephthys, very little except that she always appeared opposite Isis. So I exercise poetic licence here and apply:

Isis
And God said let there be lights in the firmament…the greater light to rule the day…

Nephthys
the lesser light to rule the night…

Seth
…and God created whales and every living creature.

This covers all of creation up to Gen.1:25. Where the cosmos, the earth, and all within it is represented by Egyptians in name. Now from there, quoting Genesis first:

And God said,…
Atum, tefnut and Shu. Where Atum divided himself to create both of these sexes.

let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea… In the image of God he created he him; male and female created he them
Atum, Osiris, Isis, Nephthys, Seth. The Godly manifestation to rule over their respective realms as created, and told as per the Egyptian story of Atum. The sun (Gen. 1:15) flora (Gen1:11), day (Gen.1:18), night (Gen 1;18) fauna, (Gen. 1:20)

…I have given you every herb bearing seed…and to every beast of the earth,…
Of Osiris and of Seth (Gen.1:29:30)

At this point, the creation story seems to suggest a different creation myth. In Genesis 2:5, it appears that the flora was created but there was no "man to till the ground," where previously it appears that man already was created and granted the fruits of the earth, albeit for sustenance, while 2:19 has God creating the animals, which were already created in 1:24:25. Logically then, Genesis makes sense, as thus far, we have creation only up to the Godly manifestations, and 2:5 onwards has not yet happened.

As best as can be dated, somewhere between the 16th and 14th centuries BCE or the 18th dynasty of the Egyptian Kings, Atum’s pre-eminent sun god and divine status was temporarily replaced by Aten, usurped in fact by this God elevated above all others and worshipped in an almost monotheistic manner. Thus while we also have two Egyptian creation myths they are all identical except in one way, the God kings; Atum and his offspring, have been relegated to mortal status in the second story.

At the head of both the Ogdoad and Ennead was Ptah, the supreme deity who by just speaking "the word", created the Ogdoad, likewise we have at the head of Genesis; God.

The two supposedly conflicting stories within Genesis may have been as a result of an error in redaction by the Jewish scribes, but I do not believe this to be so. It seems more likely that it was a chronology to the Jews to recount the earliest tradition of creation as well as record the move to their monotheism; a chronology they would well be aware of at the time Moses was striving to remove idolatry. The inclusion then, although appearing to us a mystery, would have been a familiar tale during this struggle. The Egyptian creator is represented as "God" in Genesis chapters 1 through 2:4. which if applied in context should be Gen.1 verses 32, 33 and 34, where Gen.2:4 should be 2:1, as it is here that the usurper has been given a more hierarchal term; "Lord God," despite the varied interpretations of the sudden language change for identifying God. From there, the Jewish God’s "generations" take over and literally rewrites the story placing all of these afore mentioned Gods in mortal context.

We know full well that Thoth was the greatest source of wisdom to the Egyptians, and we also know that Enoch is also represented as such. Thoth rose to prominence during the 13th century BCE, the 19th dynasty; the era of Rameses. According to Egyptian myth, Ra, (the interloper between Atum and Aten, where a supremacy fight was taking shape) upon hearing that man was plotting against him, called for punishment to be inflicted and sent Hathor to teach them a lesson which somewhat backfired causing him to abdicate his throne to Thoth.

There are many lists concerning the Kings and Gods of Egypt, the three most notorious accounts chronologically agree with each other except when it comes to the Eighth God. The Turin canon shows Thoth as the eighth, Manetho’s account excludes him, and so does the Palermo stone which substitues an unfamiliar name.

Another noticeable difference with the three records, is that the Palermo stone as well as the Turin canon, both show the 5th to 7th succession as Osiris, Seth, and Horus, where the Manetho account has a gap in place 6.
The Aten pharaohs were preceded by the Thut-Mose pharaohs, and the names of the Aten pharaohs were later ordered stricken from record, this around the time of Moses.

HaShem G-D is translated for us as; Lord God, and is taken to mean; The Name, where the name refers to the one that is forbidden to be spoken. In other words, the Aten god.

There was a revival of Seth’s prominence over Osiris in Egypt, again within the Thut-Moses era, but they could not in their accounts seriously remove any of the God Kings from their history, yet it is evident that somewhere around the 9th-8th BCE, his God King status could no longer be tolerated and possibly reflected in Manetho’s account. It was probably just too much for the Egyptians to accept the blaspheming of their rewritten mythology by the one-God followers who happened to be Egyptians, and who, were writing some very nasty tales about Egypt.
What does this have to do with Enoch? Just as Thoth held special favour with Ra, so too did Enoch with God. He walked with God and was not, symbolizing a special treatment not afforded any other. He has been placed as the 7th patriarch, and just as Ptah, the word, receives first place over the Egyptian God-Kings, so too does God receive first place over the patriarchs, making Enoch the 8th of the line of order.

And that effectively takes us up to Gen.2:8, the other three chapters are equally as fascinating, relate directly to 1 and 2, and filled with the Egyptian saga of the gods, after all, the story was still being forged, and thousands of years of history and myth is very hard to forget. But that is for another day.

Three notes:
Aten is signified by a disc with rays emanating from same in the form of protruding arms.

Ra is said to have had a secret name which Isis tricked him into telling, using a snake no less.

On the doorjambs to the tombs of the elite at el-Armana, are found prayers to Aten. Deuteronomy 11:20; "and thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates." The mezuzah! which says in The Shema: "Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One."


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I think they are hiding spacecrafts that is buried there. This is where they found the hieroglyphs of crafts, or are they fake?

Ever since I was a child I found Egyptian history intensely interesting, one of the oldest civilizations known to man seemed, to me, to hold the secrets of the ancient times. I still hold by that belief, though what the secret could be is beyond me. Personally, I don't think it's so much what the egyptian government is hiding but what Dr. Hawass is hiding, which I think is absolutely everything he finds. I think the mystery as to why he hides such things is based on very earthly motivation, primarily his career and his fundings. Much as a gold miner must stake and protect his claim to ensure his livelihood I believe Dr. Hawass is hoarding the archealogical treasures to further his fame and profit. Hardly a condemmdable crime these days, though possibly a fatal blow to the furthering of our understanding of ancient times.

As to SomewhereinBetween's comparison of Egyptian mythology to the Hebraic mythos I would tend to agree, though my opinion is far from that of an expert. I believe that the correlation between many ancient mythologies seperated by vast distances and times is much more than an interesting oddity. The transmigration of mythologies is a well known fact as evident from the Roman abosrption of Greek myths and subesquent renaming of the gods there in. The idea that a group of people, all be it nomadic people, that flourished in the same area as Egypt would not then abosrb, at least in part, a good portion of the local mythology is preposturous. To suggest that there is no relation between similar mythologies is grossly unscientific.

In a recent documentary on the History Channel here in the states entitled "Ramses, Wrath of God or Man?" (feel free to correct me if I have the wrong program) it was proposed that Moses was not an orphan but rather one of the youngest sons of the then reigning Pharoh Ramses. The biblical account of the destruction of the chariots of Ramses was suggested to have happened in the Reed (sp?) Sea, a muck and mire of swamp land that would surely stop even the mightiest of Chariots. It was further suggested that the Pharoh mentioned as leading the chariots was not Ramses himself, but the eldest son of the Pharoh and heir to the throne of Egypt. From what we know of Egyptian military hierachry this makes sense, the pharoh's elite chariot forces would have been led by someone with distinguishable rank. But I digress, the reason I mentioned that program was to illustrate the point that perhaps our seperation of mythology and history, and our current understanding of both subjects should be in question. It is quite possible that Moses in fact was related (though loosley, Ramses had hundereds of wives) to the Pharoh of his time and the Hebrews were at one time Egyptians (though this leaves their ultimate origin still in the air).

The largest percentage of known mythology is used to describe real physical events, the god Vulcan explains away volcanic eruptions as one example. We also know that many mythologies are absorbed and adapted by subsequent cultures to differing degrees. This begs the questions, what is the original basis of these myths, and what real life event does it seek to explain? It is quite possible that rather than explaining, much of the world's ancient mythologies seek to document, in understandable terms, a given event. When Cortez first landed in South America the local inhabitants had never seen a horse before and when beholding Cortez riding out of the surf they believed him a god. Imagine, if you will, that these people were not conquered and destroyed, but left to progress along their natural social evolution. Their myths would mention a god coming from the sea, with strange objects and unkown languages, with knowledge unheard of. Is it so hard then to imagine that the ancient myths of gods coming to the earth would be any different? This is not to suggest that it is in fact extraterrestrials, rather I offer that as a hypothetical pondering point.

I eagerly await any further information regarding the shafts and catcombs beneath the Sphinx, though I think an impartial analisys of the findings is more than any of us can ask for. What I find amazing about this is the fact that it is a major discovery for the field of Egyptology, somthing long suggested and long denied proven to be fact. Yet it's barely mentioned in passing on a few random documentaries on science channels, to me, this is as much a travesty as the tourist desecration of the relics in the area. I think there is something of paramount importance burried within those chambers. Whether it be the body of a visitor from Zeta Reticuli (insert your own favorite star system if you wish) or simply an unmolested tomb that would offer invaluable additions to our knowledge of Egyptian, society this is an archealogical treasure trove. However, I fear the zeal of people like Dr. Hawass and the possibilty that any evidence contrary to his theories could conveniently turn up missing in the archives of a museum. Personally, I'm tired of hearing Dr. Hawass's theories and his imediate dismissal of all other theories. When confronted witht he theory of water erosion on the body of the Sphinx in a program entitled "Digging for the Truth" Dr. Hawass simply said "No, it is sand erosion" ( not verbatim) and neglected to mention how quickly even a structure the size of the Sphinx would be swallowed up by the rolling golden sands of the Sahharan dessert or how many times it has needed excavations from said dessert over the past few hundered years. The speed with which the sand would bury the Sphinx seems to rule out sand erosion yet leaves the theory of water erosion still standing (the wind would not blow through the sand, however, the water would seep through it). I wish the Egyptian government was more interested in furthering the understanding of our origins then it is in trouism, but alas that's politcs and science has yet to find a cure for that disease.

To put it bluntly, crack that sucker open and take some pics, I'm dying to find out whats inside those giant sarcophogi in the "Tomb of Osiris" (named as such by Dr. Hawass, who, this author's opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt)

Thank you Shadowflux, and I agree, Hawass is the cause of non-disclosure. But whether it is he or someone else, Egypt seems to support such a person. As to the why I can only say it is because it is detrimental to what we have come to accept as truth in 2,000 years of religion, and pacts between governments to not disclose that information. It can be nothing short of devastating to Judeo-Christian religious philosophy.

However, mankind being mankind, the secrets are always inevitably revealed, and no matter how little they divulge, there will always be the mind which notices the missing link, whether it is by superior analytical skills, lackadaisacal or inferior editing by one doing the reporting of the find, or a loose-tongued archaeologist.

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there's a few things on egypt and the sphinx on here, namely: www.galactic-server.com...

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i think they have a few other articles. Interesting read....

Originally posted by godservant
If I could pick one thing to do on this planet, it would be to know everything about that place. I don't understand why they don't just open the place to excavation and reveal all.

It is because of religious purposes. How would you like it if a piece of your religion was moved from its holy ground

Those people in the Middle east aren't intelligent enough to be hiding anything.