Giza- What is the Egyptian government hiding?

Again I apologize if all of this information is in here somewhere, being new I don't want to search through thousands of threads.

Back in the 90's a man by the name of Rudolf Gantenbrink, after doing extensive computer work on the Khufu's pyramid, which concluded that the theories beinh the shaft were not correct, requested and was granted permission to send a camera equipped and sensing robot into the shafts. His work known as the Upuaut Project, which took several years and was abruptly concluded by Dr. Zahi Hawass the director of Giza's Pyramid excavations and secretary General of head of Egypt's antiquities department, the Supreme Council of Antiquities, upon his finding a limestone slab with copper bands at the end of one shaft.

I will not post the image itself as it is a copyright, the url is below.
www.cheops.org...

His story begins here at his website: www.cheops.org... and his removal is pursued by the Guardian newspaper with the SCA, in the following two links. In order to follow the story all three links should be viewed in the order I provide.

www.towers-online.co.uk...
www.towers-online.co.uk...

A year or two later a visitor to the pyramids, Nigel Skinner-Simpson noticed a sealed off downward shaft at the outside of the causeway and decided to pursue same. His rsearch led him to a book; The Symbolic Prophecy of the Great Pyramid" written by H. Spencer Lewis who spoke of having seen underground tunnels, more subterranean levels, huge sarcophagi and their relation to the Sphinx. As well both Lewis and another authour from 1927/28 presented drawings of the Sphinx and what lies below.

The discovery surfaced again when John Anthony West, an attendee and presenter at the Association for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E) conference held at Virginia beach in August 1998, gave a report on a presentation by Dr Hawass at the same conference. West reported that Dr Hawass had recently excavated a deep shaft found under the causeway midway between the Khafre pyramid and the Sphinx. The shaft was over a hundred feet deep, and opened into a kind of pillared chamber. In the middle there was a huge sarcophagus half submerged in water. By its style, Hawass placed the sarcophagus in the Saite Period (around 600 BC) and thought that the whole complex was reminiscent of the description given by Herodotus for the supposed tomb of Khufu. Hawass did not think it was Khufu's tomb but he did believe it might be a (or the) Tomb of Osiris, and in some way connected at least symbolically with the Oseirion at Abydos.

The public is not allowed access to these areas, and enter again Dr. Hawass to blur the issue. The full piece is here: www.towers-online.co.uk...

There is a lot of reading, but well worth it. The Egyptian authorities now have information showing a direct correlation of the Sphinx to all the pyramids, as well chambers and tunnels supposedly added to the site during the 26th dynasty, (Khufu was the 4th). But are not willing to share it with the general public.

I'll let you all read the texts.

If I could pick one thing to do on this planet, it would be to know everything about that place. I don't understand why they don't just open the place to excavation and reveal all.

Because of three big reasons...

1. Safety, most of the areas mentioned are tight and not fully excavated properly, etc. for tourism.

2. Preservation...it's bad enough with visitors chipping off a piece to take home.....let alone taking a piece from deeper in the pyramid, before the area has been thoroughly studied...

3. Tourism... You kill the mystery, you start affecting the tourism trade, and you KNOW Egypt doesn't want THAT!!!

maybe the truth behind the pyramid is not being told because it is a very large piece behind the fiction that has all of us so mezmerised. maybe it is still in use for the original purpose for which it was built and revealing any more about it would blow the whole story. maybe its just a simple tomb built by an ancient ruler to glorify his name. maybe maybe maybe. all i KNOW, is that i feel kinda SHAFTED by any of the partial explanations i have found.
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One thing they are definitely hiding in pictures of the Giza pyramids is the entire city of Giza pressed up against the one side. It's all sidewalk from the Sphinx to the crumbling town and the abused camels lined up to to take tourists around. You never see the city so close in the pictures...

Anyway, the pyramids and tombs were looted for hundreds of years, and there might be something truly worth preserving. The Egyptians haven't done much to keep what is there now in good shape. Take a walk through the Cairo Museum and one can reach out and touch the artifacts, while a several thousand year old chair preserved over all that time is rotting on a shelf uncovered or controlled. It's heartbreaking. Walk through the Valley of the Kings and you can see all the flash cameras almost fading the murals on the ceilings and walls before your eyes.

I can only hope there is still something well preserved and sealed up tight. Perhaps excavating it would be to destroy the monument itself.

On a lighter note: does anyone else just love the way Dr. Zahi Hawass says 'pyramid' ? If you've ever seen anything on the pyramids, you've seen Hawass. 'Benben' just doesn't have the same ring to it as his 'peeeramit' does.

Xundf: "SHAFTED" Heh.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Because of three big reasons...

1. Safety, most of the areas mentioned are tight and not fully excavated properly, etc. for tourism.

2. Preservation...it's bad enough with visitors chipping off a piece to take home.....let alone taking a piece from deeper in the pyramid, before the area has been thoroughly studied...

3. Tourism... You kill the mystery, you start affecting the tourism trade, and you KNOW Egypt doesn't want THAT!!!

I don't believe any of those excuses. Nerfertiri's tomb highly susceptible to a change in temeprature, yet they still allow a hundred or so visitors a day. Dozens of sites in the Valley of Kings is also subject to humidty erosion and they too are limited in visitor numbers. In one of the above links it speaks of the heat, discomfort and humidty in Khufu's chamber, it is true, but they still allow hundreds to traipse through on a daily basis.

They do not have to allow visitors through, but they can certainly reveal in full and with photographs what they have found.

I am currently reading my third Graham Hancock book and have made the following observation: Hancock has found it distressful when prominant figureheads in the unorthodox field of research pertaining to ancient civilizations (especially prevelent when dealing with Egypt) have dropped their previous unorthodox opinions and adopted those of the orthodox researchers. I found this is Fingerprints of the Gods and in The Message of the Sphinx; Mark Lehner being the specific former unorthodox figurehead who "converted" to orthodoxy discussed in The Message of the Sphinx. This said, I was shocked to read an online article that reported Hancock dismissing his previous unorthodox beliefs pertaining to the Pyramids and adopting the orthodox views.

Please let me know if anyone else has heard of Hancock dismissing his previous views.

As I read more about the Giza necropolis and the board of Egyptian Antiquities (I believe that's the organization headed by Dr. Zahi Hawass, or it is at least something like that), the more I feel like there is something that some people feel needs to be kept from the public. Conspiracy theory...obviously - but it just strikes me a little bit odd that someone who has politely bashed orthodoxy relating to the Giza necropolis for so long can pull a full U-turn.

As far as I see it, they are hiding the TRUE history of mankind. Why? Because it would debunk everything everyone ever believed about our world and our existence as a species. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

If you want a great insight into this i srongly surgest you buy The Stargate Conspricy. Its a great book!

Is the mothership buried there?

Originally posted by esdad71
Is the mothership buried there?

tear the roof of the sucker.

Cleasterwood, that is precisely my premonition. I just get the feeling that once people are in the know, due to discovery or whatnot, they feel that it is better to clam up and switch "sides". This is just a speculative theory that I developed without even meaning to; I just sort of asked myself this question after reading the part about Mark Lehner in The Message of the Sphinx.

Has anyone else been following Hancock and come across his fairly recent point of view change?

Religion is higher than law...

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I just opened a new thread bringing up the question of why orthodox researchers change over to orthodoxy. I hope this question along with others that I posted and others that are relevent to this subject can be addressed and researched within this thread.

Orthodox vs Unorthodox Eyptology: why the side changes?

the gov. probably hiding alot, if there was a hall of records they probably would let us in on it anyway

when the shafts were opened there was two wooden artifacts found which could have been carbon dated, but they strangly dissappeared

al bielek said that the hall of records was found in 1920s i think and all the stuff was shipped off to the states

whether this is true or not who knows

Originally posted by scorchio123

when the shafts were opened there was two wooden artifacts found which could have been carbon dated, but they strangly dissappeared

Here is some information about the aforementioned wooden artifact(s)

"...the Dixons found three small relics in the shafts. These objects - a rough stone sphere, a small two-pronged hook made out of some form of metal, and a fine piece of cedar wood some 12 centimetres long with strange notches cut into it - were exported from Egypt in the summer of 1872 and arrived safely in England a few weeks later. During the next year or so they were commented upon in books, and even illustrated in scientific and popular magazines such as Nature and the London Geographic. Before the turn of the century, however, they had dissappeared."

To where did the wooden artifact dissapear?

"After doing some more digging we discovered what had happened...they had remained in the hands of the Dixon family for exactly a hundred years. Then, in 1972, Dixon's great-granddaughter had taken them along to the British Museum and had generously donated them to the Egyptian Antiquities Department...Thereafter the relics seemed simply to have been forgotten and only resurfaced in December 1993 because an Egyptologist named Dr Peter Shore happened to read the Independent's story about our search for them."

Sounds simple huh? But there has to be a conspiracy somewhere...right?

..."Rudolph Gantenbrink, the discoverer of the 'door' [within one of the 'shafts' located in the Queen's Chamber], had visited London and given a full lecture at the British Museum to a large group of Egyptologists - including Professor Edwards, Dr Vivian Davies and many others who knew of our search for the 'Dixon' relics. During the lecture, Gantenbrink showed and explained detailed video footage [which]...clearly showed, still lying on the floor of the northern shaft...a metallic hook, and an apparent baton of wood."

This pretty much sums up how I feel about the handeling of the only carbon-datable artifact ever found inside the Great Pyramid, especially by the British Museum's Egyptian Antiquities:

"To be completely honest we found it very difficult to accept that they really could just have been forgotten for twenty-one years [after they were donated] by the British Museum's Egyptian Antiquities Department."

quotes taken from The Message of the Sphinx co-written by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, pages 112, 115, 116

With the stargate conspiracy...it's useful to know how Graham & Roberts arguements about 'Zep Tepi' are pulled to pieces...its all about that web of carefully structured information making it's way to the researchers to make them 'Think' they are on the right path!

I thought Egypt was desert and some pyramids and some more desert cause who would live in the desert, I'd rather live in a van down by the river.

what happened to the alantis connection
wasnt there supposed to be a hidden room containing reminents of the lost civilisation

On September 17, 2002, National Geographic, in conjunction with Dr. Hawass, did broadcast a documentary film exploring the shafts for the specific purpose of boring a hole behind the door. What lay behind that door was yet another door. A total of one minute of film was assigned this historic discovery.

Hawass- One day before the show, we found out by Altrosonic that the door in the southern shaft of the Great Pyramid is about six centimeters thick, which implied that there was something behind that door. We decided to drill a three-millimeter diameter hole in the door so we could send a camera behind it. In the last minute of the show, the camera was sent in, and I saw the second door 21 cm. behind the first door.

Hawass seemed willing to pursue further the purposes of these doors, but 2 years later, he is yet to release an update.

We are planning to clean the south shaft from outside to learn if it does open to the outside. If it does, then it is possible that it was a symbolic door for the king to use in crossing to the Netherworld. If it is sealed, we have to return to the Westcar Papyri and read how Khufu was looking for the documents of the god Thoth to help him with the design of his pyramid.

But Hawass offers an explanation:- �It is possible that these doors are evidence that Khufu�s burial chamber might be hidden somewhere inside of his pyramid.� One would think that the only available method short of dismantling the pyramid would be to use ground penetrating radar, Hawass however is not interested, or does he already know what is behind door number two?

In August of this year, two amateur Egyptologists, Gilles Dormion and Jean-Yves Verd'hurt, believed they had indeed discovered another chamber under the Queen�s chamber supporting a fellow peer who in 1986 concluded the same by utilizing a technique called microgravimetry. Hawass declined to allow them access. However, in 1987, 5 years before Hawass�s declaration, a Japanese team emploring electromagnetic waves had already concluded that another chamber existed below the Queen�s. It is noteworthy that Hawass was busy selling his documentary to some Japanese businessmen, rather than the traditional list of Egyptologists. In 1992, Professsor Jean Kerisal utilizing ground penetrating radar added weight to this belief.

Diagrams of the interior of Khufu ends at a subterranean chamber with what appears to be a descending but abruptly ending shaft, protruding from the opposite side of the shaft that enters the chamber. This site offers the best diagram I can find. ourworld.compuserve.com...

We already know of the tunnels and rooms found under the causeway and their connection to the Sphinx. But other than a few pictures and some scant information, we are told nothing else. It may be that the causeway underground system was constructed much after the great pyramid, given the identification to a later dynasty, and since all we know that the great pyramid was attributed to Khufu, which is based solely on one identification; an inscription found on an interior block. It is possible then that Khufu is not linked via underground to anything, but it is also possible that it in fact is if it is not the age as suggested or has been correctly named.

Next...it may have a history with a persona relegated to apocryphal status.



[edit on 10/1/04 by SomewhereinBetween]