Southwest Airlies: If you're gay don't fly with us!

reply to post by MentalGiant


I wouldn't say MOST gays are that way but you're right in your assertion that there is a contingent who do behave like that. These are the same people who'll scream from the highest mountain about equality, fair treatment and respect yet seem completely unable to understand that to get respect you have to give it. Sorry, fellow gayz, but this ain't the way to do it.

Did SA say "If you're gay don't fly with us!" ? No, they did not, so you are already standing on shaky ground.

Secondly, they were escorted off for kissing, that is what should be debated here, whether a man and woman kissing would warrant the same action or if this was targeted as being a lesbian kiss. I guess this is just another reason to boycott airports.

But there's no reason to put words into people or organization's mouths. (no pun intended).

reply to post by Amadeo


Oh what extend is that then? At least I'm not going to offtopic rants about assaults and sexual acts in public.

Originally posted by LobeDethFaurt
If the airline wishes to be a "family oriented" business, then they should take a zero tolerance policy involving so-called lewd behavior. Singling people out based on anything will only lead to lawsuits. Bad for business.
peace...

Oh, no. This will be settled out of court. You don't p*** off a celebrity...especially anyone who can act far more injured than they actually are.

Originally posted by Amadeo Some of the responses here seem to be knee-jerk 'OMG homophobes' reactions as opposed to questioning just how hot and heavy the women were getting with their kissing and it's unfair to tar the whole airline with the homophobe tag when their staff were most likely responding to complaints from passengers.

People who won't step back and take a look at details have a huge problem, on either side. But this is no surprise. We're a nation of knee-jerk reactions to everything. But yeah, it's more from the OMG Homophobes right now...But hey, we're only what, a page or two?

For perspective:
This woman should have probably been escorted off the plane.

Originally posted by AmadeoIf I want to eat my boyfriend's face I do it in private.

I genuinely enjoy your mind. Best laugh of joy yet today.

Originally posted by Frontkjemper

Originally posted by Epirus
reply to post by DJDigitalGem

 

I wouldn't be so quick to jump the gun and say that this was homophobia.

It seems like everyone and everything is labeled as homophobic in today's day and age. It's pretty much losing it's steam, I personally laugh at the term.

Well, if they want to push their rights, in situations when it's not about their rights, they will lose support. (As in: if the right to marry was so danged important, I really wish they would focus on it, instead of their "right" to subject a captive audience to their bedroom life. I'm so not fond of PDA--I stiffen up any time my hubby wants to kiss in public, for any reasons...and believe me, I've got no problem expressing myself. Priorities people, priorities.)

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I thought that WAS the whole story.

You mean, wait until the airline comes up with a defense now that its been made public. Is THAT what you mean by 'whole story'?

Have the passengers who were on the plane been questioned? There's more than the airline to ask.

Am a little confused seeing there is no link in the OP. Where did this "story" come from?

Email But this is the link of their own comment:
They claim it was 1 peck.

We want to make it clear we were not making out or creating any kind of spectacle of ourselves, it was one, modest kiss. We are responsible adult women who walk through the world with dignity. We were simply being affectionate like any normal couple. We were on the airplane less than 5 minutes when all was said and done. We take full responsibility for getting verbally upset with the flight attendant after being told it was a “family airline.” We were never told the reason the flight attendant approached us, we were only scolded that we “needed to be aware that Southwest Airlines was a family oriented airline.” No matter how quietly homophobia is whispered, it doesn’t make it any less loud.

If this is true, there's more reason for outrage, but this again would not be the first time someone's downplayed their own actions. But notice: they admit to blowing up too much for the situation to warrant, and admit to having a hard time tolerating the request. So, if they aren't putting al the fault on the airline attendant, there might be reason for outrage.

I mean really. I've never in my 50 years on this planet have ever seen two people 'go at it' on or in any public transportation system. Not even on NYC subway.

I have. I didn't make a fuss at the time, but I certainly as hell did not want to see it. (Lit, public feeling in inappropriate areas (school bus, elder brother at BAM caught a few), and taking care of self-induced business (bus again, and baby bro @15 caught some perv taking care of himself while attempting to watch him through a glory hole., people parked in cane fields, in parking lots, whole host of areas, full on sex. I mean, I've been exposed to things of this nature almost as much as a whole season of Tru Blood.)

People don't like homosexuals. Ask any neo-con republican. They're not ashamed to admit it.

For a point: Gay Republicans . Neo-cons are dividing their own party.

reply to post by DJDigitalGem

Folks, I've read all 3 articles associated with this so-called incident & what bothers me is this: the flagrant hypocrisy of an airline, Southwest, which in its literature to GLBTQ organisations welcomes GLBTQ people to fly their airline, as if to say that the airline does not discriminate against GLBTQ people at all. This smacks of, "Southwest is happy to take your money, but the minute any of you GLBTQ people step out of line on our family-friendly airline, you are no longer welcome to fly with us". Everyone should vote with their wallet on this issue if they wish to. Don't spend money with any business that has such a big difference between policy & how that policy is put into practice.

The next thing that really bothers me is, why can't some people mind their own business? The fact is, most airlines squash as many people together on a plane as they can, & everyone has to be crammed together like sardines whether they like it or not. I'd rather be sitting next to people who are getting along than a pair that bickers & quarrels during the entire flight, making each minute that passes seem like a year!

Originally posted by DJDigitalGem
My bad here's a link to the story.....

www.shewired.com...

edit on 30-9-2011 by DJDigitalGem because: (no reason given)

Hailey immediately tweeted: "We were escorted off the plane for getting upset about the issue. @SouthwestAir endorses homophobic employees. No one made her accountable." But Southwest execs thought the action was justified. Several passengers on Flight 2274 complained that Hailey’s and Grey’s display of affection with each other was objectionably inappropriate, "characterizing the behavior as excessive." And Hailey tweeted that a "Flt. attendant said that it was a ’family’ airline and kissing was not ok."

Where are the several passengers?

Originally posted by Human_AlienI highly doubt two semi well known people would bring negative attention to themselves and carry on like two animals in heat, in public. Highly unlikely.
Nor do I think they are money hungry bimbos and concocted a plan to sue an airline

Consumerism of the Spectical: it drives the economy.

Originally posted by Human_Alien

After days of incensed reaction from Hailey, her friends and the lesbian and gay community, however, Southwest backtracked, saying it was offering a full refund for the flight and had "reached out to extend goodwill" – a form of words that fell just short of an outright apology.

Enough said. I hope some learned a lesson and stop following the leader.

This is not necessarily so. This is a company being a politician. Politicians back-pedal all the time for things they are not genuinely worried about.

Originally posted by AmadeoFirstly, we're quite capable of doing that on our own, thanks all the same. Gay people aren't angels sent to test the mettle of homophobes. We're people just like everyone else on the planet, with all the flaws and good points of everyone who isn't gay. And that includes arrogance, hubris, the need for attention and in some cases, downright idiocy. Some gay people are also absolutely amazing but for the most part, we're just like everyone else with one small difference.

I wish more people would get this.

Originally posted by RomaMayLiEveryone should vote with their wallet on this issue if they wish to.

Exactly. Those who applaud it, will buy from them. Those who don't won't. The only shame is when our first reaction governs what our dollar does.

Well they have every right to do this and for those who are saying we still live in a backward society,it would be backard if they were not allowed to do this.

reply to post by DJDigitalGem


You're trying to ruin the credibility of an entire airline based SOLEY on your opinionated conjecture that they hate gays, even though the evidence you presented says NOTHING of the sort.

They clearly escorted the couple off the airline because they got overly upset about the issue. It doesn't take much for anyone to get escorted off the plane. No discrimination there.

They were asked to stop kissing aboard the flight. First off.. why are they making out on a family airline in front of other passengers? The article states that they were kissing affectionately to the point that other passengers were put off and complained. Not because they are gay, but because they are making out in front of children and other passengers. It's now the flt. attendants duty to kindly ask them to stop. No discrimination there.

This entire thing is being blown out of proportion by self-righteous people like you who think everyone is out to get them because they are in some way different from the mainstream.. kind of agitating.

As far as the airline "apologizing".. Ridiculous. They are only reaching out in apology to silence all the negative feedback those little brats are constantly tweeting about them. Quit making out in front of kids and you won't be asked to stop. Sheesh.

It is because society wants that kept in the closet. This is not a bashing towards gays/lesbians, but that is truly what society expects of this type of affection in public between same sex partners. Th gay/lesbian movement has come a long way, but there will always be those in society that shun this.

reply to post by LobeDethFaurt


Tolerance is the cancer of todays messed up society.

Why not just boycott the airlines?

They are selling a service that you're not satisfied with, so spend your money elsewhere to punish them.

That's how capitalism works. Every dollar is a vote.

That's what I would do.

Any gay bar that refuses to serve me, I take my money and find a straight bar to buy my drinks.

We vote with our feet and our cash.

reply to post by Expat888


Primitive? its 2011 and we are supposed to civilized etc so i'm sure by now these homosexuals would undertsand who they are intended for when it comes to relationships.
How can people keep their busniess to themselves when others are throwing theirs into their faces?

They didn't get thrown off of the plane because they were gay. To me it sounds like they were thrown off the plane because their behavior was inappropriate.

End of story.

That stinks that she and her partner were kicked off the plane. It's odd too that it was Southwest, because compared to a lot of other airlines, I've found Southwest's customer service to be really good.

Although I have never flown with my partner together on an airplane before. I wonder if I kissed him if they would throw us off too. That would be horrible. I guess, if that scenario ever came, I could just tell the flight attendant that I didn't know kissing wasn't allowed, and I'm sure they wouldn't throw us off then.

how many people did see the display. The flight attendants, people in the row in front ,back and sides about 15 to 17 people. Most peoples reactions to PDA is to look the other way. Its funny we can watch it on tv and then some in private. We are conditioned to see violence as normal than affection. This airline most be run by the westboro baptist church.

reply to post by DJDigitalGem


No, it would have happened.

Just cuz your gay doesnt mean that everyone is against you.

I dont want to see a straight couple snogging in front of me, much less a gay couple.

There is a phrase for this....

GET A FREAKIN ROOM!

Anyone that thinks this wasnt for publicity is deluded. When your a celebrity, the only bad publicity is NO publicity.

Originally posted by RomaMayLi
reply to post by DJDigitalGem

 

Folks, I've read all 3 articles associated with this so-called incident & what bothers me is this: the flagrant hypocrisy of an airline, Southwest, which in its literature to GLBTQ organisations welcomes GLBTQ people to fly their airline, as if to say that the airline does not discriminate against GLBTQ people at all. This smacks of, "Southwest is happy to take your money, but the minute any of you GLBTQ people step out of line on our family-friendly airline, you are no longer welcome to fly with us". Everyone should vote with their wallet on this issue if they wish to. Don't spend money with any business that has such a big difference between policy & how that policy is put into practice.

The next thing that really bothers me is, why can't some people mind their own business? The fact is, most airlines squash as many people together on a plane as they can, & everyone has to be crammed together like sardines whether they like it or not. I'd rather be sitting next to people who are getting along than a pair that bickers & quarrels during the entire flight, making each minute that passes seem like a year!

You can fly gay or you can fly straight. I dont think they question you at the airport.

yes. it is my business when someone is making an ass of themselves and I'm stuck with them for an hour or more.

There USED to be a thing called decorum on flights. You would dress nicely and be on your best behavior. Similar to going to church or a restaurant.

I really wouldnt like to sit next to someone engaging in tonsil hockey or fighting. In public, they're both bothersome. Gay OR Straight.

Quit acting like victims gay folks. Your doing more to hurt public opinion of yall than you realize. The gay folks I know wouldnt be doing this crap.

Originally posted by LobeDethFaurt

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
SouthWest is a private business. They have the right to decide with whom they desire to do business. Personally, I stopped taking my kids to Disney after first hearing about the crap that goes on there during gay days. Perhaps SouthWest decided it was better to lose business from a few gays then to lose business from straights not desiring to be subjected to lewdness?

I have only one thing to say: It's people like this poster that I have quoted that is the problem. Ever hear of a little thing called tolerance?
How about acceptance?

edit on 30-9-2011 by LobeDethFaurt because: (no reason given)

lets just say that none of us were there, so we have no frame of reference, that being said, do you really think a company as large as southwest would do that and not be worried about being labeled homophobes?

think about it, if anyone, is taking it too far, gay or straight, then it is well within the rights of southwest airlines to ask them to stop, if they don't stop, then they have every right to ask them to leave. i doubt it has anything to do with homophobia, it has to do with common decency, and common consideration. if i am making out with my girlfriend next to you on the plane, and it could be for another potential 4 hours, wouldn't you be a bit annoyed, does that make you heterophobic? no, it does not, it makes me rude. stop trying to cater to minorities, equal treatment means equal for everybody.

reply to post by DJDigitalGem


a company has the right to conduct its own understanding of activities when it doesn't violate the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But they have the right to define two of those.

Originally posted by DRAZIW
Why not just boycott the airlines?

They are selling a service that you're not satisfied with, so spend your money elsewhere to punish them.

That's how capitalism works. Every dollar is a vote.

That's what I would do.

Any gay bar that refuses to serve me, I take my money and find a straight bar to buy my drinks.

We vote with our feet and our cash.

Yep, better help put all those gay people out of a job because of what you read from these gay people. Some half celebrity and her wannabe celbrity girlfriend are upset so we should help to unemply other gay people. That will fix everything!

Or...or...and this might be crazy but just bear with me but or people could try to wait until they get in privated to paw each other. I know I know, I am a big prude because I do not want me and my family subjected to anyone else's show of "affection" and what the hell rights do those other passengers have anyway? They have no right to complain but these two have the right to do whatever they want because they are gay and need publicity.