Southwest Airlies: If you're gay don't fly with us!

Originally posted by LobeDethFaurt
I have only one thing to say: It's people like this poster that I have quoted that is the problem. Ever hear of a little thing called tolerance?
How about acceptance?

edit on 30-9-2011 by LobeDethFaurt because: (no reason given)

Tolerance and acceptance for what? Nowhere in the article does it say people complained that they were gay. Nowhere does it say they were asked to stop being gay.
If you came into my business and started pawing your mate I would ask you to please stop. No matter the genders. If your reaction was to cause a kerfuffle and call me a homophobe, you would be physically removed.

Originally posted by Expat888
amazing.. stupidity running rampant over there. wont deal with any individual or company that exhibits such primitive attitudes. As to the passengers who complained they should stop being damn busybodies trying to force their primitive, narrowminded views on everyone else and mind their own damn business. Wouldve tossed the ones who complained off the aircraft without parachutes..

edit on 30/9/11 by Expat888 because: drunken tengu

This is a prime example of the knee-jerk reactions I mentioned in my previous post. Why should anyone be subjected to two people eating each others faces off in public? As a previous poster mentioned, there's a time and a place for sticking your tongue down your partner's throat and a busy (I assume) plane simply isn't the place for it. Of course, there is the possibility that the airline staff were being heavy-handed, but given the high percentage of gay (mostly male) staff working for airlines, I strongly doubt that the cabin crew were up in arms at two people of the same sex kissing. Nor do I think all other passengers on that plane were ultra-conservative gay-haters. It's more likely that the women were kissing a little too heavily and that's what annoyed other people. I'd be annoyed myself.

Originally posted by Amadeo
but given the high percentage of gay (mostly male) staff working for airlines, I strongly doubt that the cabin crew were up in arms at two people of the same sex kissing.

What an amazingly good point. I wonder, all the people threatening to boycott the airline, if they care about all the gay stewards that might lose a job because these two women needed publicity. The story does point out that they were about to start a publicity tour, no?

reply to post by Amadeo


There was no mention made of just how much pda there was. And as stated its none of the busybodies damn business what two people do. Too many people poke noses where they've no business creating problems over things that are natural and no big deal.
Unless the busybodies paid for the ticket of those they complained about they need to shut it and mind their own business.

reply to post by DJDigitalGem


Before getting too upset, maybe we should learn the "whole story"? I've seen public displays of affection that were not too far short of actual sexual acts, by both heterosexual, and homosexual couples. ...and frankly? I'm not a big fan of having to watch it. A peck on the lips? Sure. Swapping spit, to put it rather crudely, isn't on when in a public place.

Let's hear the whole story before leaping to judgement.

Originally posted by Epirus
reply to post by DJDigitalGem

 

It's really annoying when people take PDA too far heterosexual or homosexual. I have witnessed heterosexual's kicked out of places for heavy PDA. I wouldn't be so quick to jump the gun and say that this was homophobia.

What exactly is 'too far'? Is kissing acceptable? If it is, (which you SHOULD be saying yes, then...) is it okay with two women? Or two men? Or only by a combination thereof?

When is kissing offensive?
When it's too long?
When there's tongue involved? Or when its too genderly one- sided?

There is NOTHING wrong with people expressing LOVE!!!!!! This is not to be confused with public fornication!


Perhaps if the world witnessed MORE acts of tenderness and less cops tazing then maybe this would be a better place to live!

Originally posted by Expat888
reply to post by Amadeo

 

There was no mention made of just how much pda there was. And as stated its none of the busybodies damn business what two people do. Too many people poke noses where they've no business creating problems over things that are natural and no big deal.
Unless the busybodies paid for the ticket of those they complained about they need to shut it and mind their own business.

What a crock. No, there was no mention of just how much PDA there was but you and others seem to think that no matter whether they just had a quick peck or were really getting into it, it's perfectly OK. You're wrong about that. The other passengers paid their money just like the two women in question and are entitled to not be faced with inappropriately heavy PDAs during their journey. If it was indeed only a quick kiss then I agree that they were treated unfairly but you and the other over-reactors are just being militant about it.

As I said, it's unlikely that the cabin crew or passengers would give a flying f# about a quick kiss between two people no matter what sex they are, but if the women were really going for it then of course there are bound to be complaints and rightly so. That sort of behaviour in and amongst other people is inappropriate and bound to make others feel uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with whether the people being inappropriate are gay or straight and I haven't seen anyone criticise the women for being lesbians. What's being called into question here is just how far they were going so you can drop the angry victim attitude. FYI I'm gay myself but I have a little more respect for others and myself to indulge in such a tasteless display. If I want to eat my boyfriend's face I do it in private.

reply to post by Human_Alien


Well now, that is the question isn't it? How far along was this PDA? I seriously doubt that a simple peck on the lips is going to raise the ire of too many folks...

Before leaping to judgement, wait for the whole story.

reply to post by Human_Alien


Your post sounds like you don't know what is or isn't appropriate behaviour for displaying affection in public. Hmm.

Nobody's saying anything about displays of love being in any way bad, the point being made is just how far people should go and to be perfectly frank, if you're in public then I believe you should show a little restraint. There's no way these women were kicked off a plane merely for kissing each other. What's more likely is that they got all pissy about being asked to dial it down, caused a fuss and got themselves kicked off the plane.

Originally posted by Epirus
reply to post by DJDigitalGem

 

I wouldn't be so quick to jump the gun and say that this was homophobia.

It seems like everyone and everything is labeled as homophobic in today's day and age. It's pretty much losing it's steam, I personally laugh at the term.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

I seriously doubt that a simple peck on the lips is going to raise the ire of too many folks...

This is exactly my point. My best friend (female) is cabin crew (long haul) and when they're on stopovers (aka party time), all sorts of things go on so the sight of two women sharing a quick kiss is absolutely NOT going to raise eyebrows amongst cabin crew, especially not when they spend a lot of time working with other gay staff, albeit male.

It's also pretty unrealistic to assume that every single other passenger was disgusted at the sight. That is HIGHLY unlikely. You don't get thrown off a plane just for kissing someone so let's not be disingenuous about it.

Originally posted by Amadeo
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

Your post sounds like you don't know what is or isn't appropriate behaviour for displaying affection in public. Hmm.

Nobody's saying anything about displays of love being in any way bad, the point being made is just how far people should go and to be perfectly frank, if you're in public then I believe you should show a little restraint. There's no way these women were kicked off a plane merely for kissing each other. What's more likely is that they got all pissy about being asked to dial it down, caused a fuss and got themselves kicked off the plane.

I don't know??? I certainly DO know. I was asking a general question to anyone who wanted to answer.

I keep reading "too far" with absolutely no explanation as to what that covers. What is "too far"?

And if you don't believe people are uncomfortable seeing same gender kissing (aka: being homophobic) then you must be living in a very special area on this planet.

Originally posted by seagull


Before leaping to judgement, wait for the whole story.

I thought that WAS the whole story.

You mean, wait until the airline comes up with a defense now that its been made public. Is THAT what you mean by 'whole story'?

Am a little confused seeing there is no link in the OP. Where did this "story" come from?

Unless these woman were adolescent nymphos, I can't imagine what inappropriate behavior OTHER than kissing they would've done on an airplane in public view.

I mean really. I've never in my 50 years on this planet have ever seen two people 'go at it' on or in any public transportation system. Not even on NYC subway.

So somehow I seriously doubt there was groping or clothes removal going on.

People don't like homosexuals. Ask any neo-con republican. They're not ashamed to admit it.

Originally posted by Amadeo

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

I seriously doubt that a simple peck on the lips is going to raise the ire of too many folks...

This is exactly my point. My best friend (female) is cabin crew (long haul) and when they're on stopovers (aka party time), all sorts of things go on so the sight of two women sharing a quick kiss is absolutely NOT going to raise eyebrows amongst cabin crew, especially not when they spend a lot of time working with other gay staff, albeit male.

It's also pretty unrealistic to assume that every single other passenger was disgusted at the sight. That is HIGHLY unlikely. You don't get thrown off a plane just for kissing someone so let's not be disingenuous about it.

Maybe the women had unrelated words with the flight attendant and out of vindictiveness she caused a scene for them? Or maybe the flight attendant was one of their ex's?
Who knows. But I definitely can see a lip-kiss causing this commotion regardless of the root-reason

And YES, people (once again......) in the year 2011 feel homosexuality is not only immoral but illegal.

Am I living on the same planet as some of you?

I know now reside in a more conservative state, Florida....but I even saw this back in New York. And trust me, I have a family member who is gay so I DO know how discriminatory and retaliatory others can get when they are unacceptable of alternative life styles. It's like having a 'race card' in the back pocket at all times.

So yes, people are very critical and judgmental so (back to this story) it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a romantic kiss (opposed to just a cheek peck) is what this was all about. We see long kisses all the time when a couple is saying goodbye to one another at the gate so.....that couldn't be the reason, right?

My bad here's a link to the story.....

www.shewired.com...

am i missing something? i dont care if a straight or gay couple is making out on a plane, theres better places to show your affection for eachother and 40,000 feet aint one of them

I am so fed up with people who do not like Lesbians.

I am a straight male....but I consider myself a lesbian..will they ban me? (some will not get this joke)

Originally posted by Human_Alien

There is NOTHING wrong with people expressing LOVE!!!!!! This is not to be confused with public fornication!

You know for a fact it was the former and not that latter?
I would like to know what you know.

Originally posted by Human_Alien

I keep reading "too far" with absolutely no explanation as to what that covers. What is "too far"?

And if you don't believe people are uncomfortable seeing same gender kissing (aka: being homophobic) then you must be living in a very special area on this planet.

Did you not read my post above where I said I'm gay? I don't need you or anyone else instructing me on what homophobia means, I've experienced it first hand. If you have any common sense you'll know exactly how far you can go in public. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you.

Gays are people like everyone else. Not all gays are poor, put-upon innocents only wanting to express their love and being told by a harsh, cruel, hateful world that they can't do that or they'll be thrown off planes and to pretend otherwise is at best naive and at worst, dishonest. If two people can't control themselves, and this applies to straight people as well as gay, then they should expect others to have something to say about it. That's the long and short of it. I don't want to see couples slipping each other the tongue in full view. It's rude and disrespectful to others. As someone else pointed out above, these women were about to start a publicity tour. What better way to garner some publicity than to cause a scene after being asked to control themselves? If the over-reactions of other posters in this thread is any indication of the way these women took it then no wonder they were removed from the aircraft.

I shouldn't have to repeat myself but I did say in an earlier post that if the airline were just being heavy-handed then I'm on the side of the lesbitarians. Given the other factors involved here, I doubt that was the case.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Maybe the women had unrelated words with the flight attendant and out of vindictiveness she caused a scene for them? Or maybe the flight attendant was one of their ex's?
Who knows. But I definitely can see a lip-kiss causing this commotion regardless of the root-reason

You apparently did not even read the article. The ones that caused the scene were the two women and that was why they were removed from the plane and that was AFTER the PDA was addressed. They were not booted for the PDA and it was not the flight crew that made a scene. That much we actually do know.