Possible Solution to the Khalezov, Deagle 9/11 Nuclear Demolition Theory

There has been a lot of speculation over the last year or so regarding the use of nuclear devices in connection with the demolition of the WTC on 9/11. As is usual, some people have speculated, suspected, researched the subject and so forth, for much longer than that. But the internet profile of this kind of thinking raised about a year ago as far as I can tell from a very cursory look around the web.

Dr. William Deagle a medical doctor researching the causes of 9/11 syndrome among first responders as well as the causes of Gulf War syndrome among veterans of the wars in the Persian Gulf region during the administrations of Bush 1 and 2, comes to the WTC Nuclear Demolition Theory from the standpoint of the medical researcher.

Dimitri Khalezov on the other hand, ex-Soviet military nuclear technician, ex-associate of Mossad hooligan, Mike Harrari, ex-lounge lizard in the bars of Bangkok, comes out of nowhere, like so many intelligence agents with tales of 150 kiloton devices (Hiroshima was advertised as destroyed by a 20 kiloton device) planted under WTCs 1, 2 and 7. That's a total equivalent of 450,000 tons of TNT under buildings 1,2 and 7.

Hold onto your hats Houston. All towers are ready for blast off.

But seriously folks, listen to what Deagle has to say about being road blocked in his efforts to test for nuclear by products in the dust of the WTC.



Deagle has already associated Gulf War Syndrome with the use depleted uranium munitions. Is it possible that depleted uranium also was used in the destruction of the WTC? Could depleted uranium have been a component of explosives used to cut heavy beams? Could it have been a component in the mix used for shaped charges?

If it could be proved that depleted uranium was a component in explosives used at the WTC, it would be a huge indicator of US government involvement in 9/11.

There is as much reason to conceal the presence of depleted uranium on 9/11 as there would be to conceal the use of mini-nukes.

Personally, I don't think that mini-nukes were used on the core of the building. It was left standing, smoking copiously from top to bottom, after the rest of the building had fallen. Video never lingers on the core to show the dustifying process. The core colums, if cut by mini-nukes would not have lingered as they did. They would have vaporized instantly. Undoubtedly, some slower acting incendiary was at work in the core.

Of course the government is hiding something, but I don't think it is mini-nukes and certainly not soviet style 150 kiloton nukes. I think they are hiding the use of depleted uranium in the explosives they used to bring the towers and building 7 down.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Is it possible that depleted uranium also was used in the destruction of the WTC? Could depleted uranium have been a component of explosives used to cut heavy beams? Could it have been a component in the mix used for shaped charges?

If it was, then why didn't Dr. Steven Jones detect this in the dust samples? At least I don't recall them finding DU.

And that Dimitri Khalezov guy, I believe we proved to be full of BS a couple of years ago. He made the rounds on the forums, trying to sell his book. I wouldn't pay it a whole lot of attention, if I were you.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
If it was, then why didn't Dr. Steven Jones detect this in the dust samples? At least I don't recall them finding DU.

Did Steven Jones test for it? I don't think they tested for all possibilities regarding explosives. And I believe they have said as much. Deagle, who was looking for nuclear by products was road blocked by the government, according to him, and was not able to get the tests done, not even in Europe. He says he was threatened with arrest if he proceeded to attempt to test the material.

I haven't seen any resolution of this issue posted.

reply to post by ipsedixit


The NYC Department of Health had investigators on the scene before the towers collapsed testing for signs of
radiation

www.neha.org...

Within minutes of the crash, McKinney sent a radiological health inspector to check the site for any radiation sources. He reached Richard Borri, a senior scientist in the department’s office of Radiological Health, who like most people from DOH, was on his way to work when the first tower was hit.

While I was walking down Church Street, with all my instruments, I came within 1000 feet of the South Tower, and unfortunately the building came down,” says Borri, sounding every bit the unruffled scientist. “It’s a good thing I walked slowly.”

Borri checked the World Trade Center site for signs of radiation before and after the collapse of the buildings. Radiation could have originated in industrial radiology sources, such as the installing beams of the huge office buildings, which may have contained some radioactive elements from x-rays taken, and from depleted uranium used in ballasts in aircraft wing tips (such counterweights in airplane wing tips give the most weight for least volume, says Borri). It might also be left from any medical or dental offices.

The FDNY Haz Mat squad checked the rubble for traces of radiation, as did the Department of Energy .

This was done for months after

Result no significnt radiation detected - only hit came from small supply of radio pharmaceutials in one of the
towers

Although Borri didn’t turn up any problematic radioactive readings by the end of the day, his work would be supplemented by the federal Department of Energy, whose technicians remained on site and continued to sample. [Only during the last days of the Ground Zero cleanup would radioactive testers find any evidence of radioactive emissions, from a pharmacy laboratory located within one of the buildings.]

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
If it was, then why didn't Dr. Steven Jones detect this in the dust samples? At least I don't recall them finding DU.

Did Steven Jones test for it? I don't think they tested for all possibilities regarding explosives. And I believe they have said as much. Deagle, who was looking for nuclear by products was road blocked by the government, according to him, and was not able to get the tests done, not even in Europe. He says he was threatened with arrest if he proceeded to attempt to test the material.

I haven't seen any resolution of this issue posted.

Here's an easy way to test for it right now- find as many photos of you can of the ground zero area right after the collapse, and look for the mile wide areas of molten slag. Also, go across the river to the New Jersey side and see how many buildings are scorched and burned. You could also go to NYC yourself and look for the tens of thousands of corpses lying in the streets after dying from massive radiation poisoning.

I swear, if someone published a web site claiming the towers were destroying by unicorn farts, these conspiracy people would still believe it.

The real issue is the sort of elements found in the dust. That is what Deagle says he was threatened with arrest for attempting to find out.

When he mentions Dr. Alan Sabrowsky of "Israel did 9/11" fame that tells me he's probably in the same disinformation group. I think we can safely rule out nukes as there is hardly even any circumstantial evidence pointing towards such a hypothesis.
This dog don't hunt.

But Unicorn Farts? Whoa, dude..you may be on to something there

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Reason Deagle was run out was simple

You dont allow nuts to go wondering around disaster scenes, especially ones with a person agenda

People searching the riuns for bodies or cutting up and carting off the rubble dont want or need conspiracy loons
tramping around

1) Its dangerous

2) Dont need someone making wild claims and causing panic and disruption

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
If it was, then why didn't Dr. Steven Jones detect this in the dust samples? At least I don't recall them finding DU.

Did Steven Jones test for it? I don't think they tested for all possibilities regarding explosives. And I believe they have said as much. Deagle, who was looking for nuclear by products was road blocked by the government, according to him, and was not able to get the tests done, not even in Europe. He says he was threatened with arrest if he proceeded to attempt to test the material.

I haven't seen any resolution of this issue posted.

Here's an easy way to test for it right now- find as many photos of you can of the ground zero area right after the collapse, and look for the mile wide areas of molten slag. Also, go across the river to the New Jersey side and see how many buildings are scorched and burned. You could also go to NYC yourself and look for the tens of thousands of corpses lying in the streets after dying from massive radiation poisoning.

I swear, if someone published a web site claiming the towers were destroying by unicorn farts, these conspiracy people would still believe it.

I don't think that the towers were blown up with a nuclear device, but I also think that you are forgetting something. If it was a smaller nuke and detonated underground, then it would not do the above-ground damage that a city-destroyer will do.

Anyhow, I've read the testimonies of people who survived in the collapsed basement area of the towers. If there was a nuclear explosion, they would not have survived.

Originally posted by Varemia
I don't think that the towers were blown up with a nuclear device, but I also think that you are forgetting something. If it was a smaller nuke and detonated underground, then it would not do the above-ground damage that a city-destroyer will do.

There is no such thing as a "small nuke". The laws of physics says that atom-splitting causes a chain reaction that releases a ghastly amount of energy/radiation/heat. We're not simply talking about molten steel. We're talking a completely vaporized WTC complex and a mile wide crater of slag. It's ridiculous.

Anyhow, I've read the testimonies of people who survived in the collapsed basement area of the towers. If there was a nuclear explosion, they would not have survived.

Yes, particularly William Rodriguez, who was literally standing on top of this supposed nuke. Of course, the conspiracy proponents will simply accuse him of being a government plant who never was in the building to begin with, so you're back to square one.

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20 people survived collapse of WTC - 14 were in stairway B of North Tower, mainly FDNY, with Port Authority
cop and civilian, 2 Port Authority cops survived both towers collapse in the underground concourse, albiet with
severe injuries, 2 more were trapped in the underground concourse and dug their way out to emerge in the
central plaza above, 2 literally "rode" the pile down. Were in stairway above the survivors in stairway B
thrown clear and wound up outside in the rubble

Explain how 20 people inside the building survived an alleged nuclear bomb, in most cases without serious injury


Also explain how no radiation was detected on the scene

If politics is the skilful use of a blunt instrument, then propaganda and disinformation have to be the department of "pie fights".

Why are people in this thread so relentlessly off topic? Why was Deagle threatened with arrest by the Department of Defense if he persisted in trying to get analysis done of material from ground zero?

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I can't explain that. Could have sworn my first sentence was that I don't think it was a nuke.

this has to be dis-info

why are you trying to make the conspiracy enthusiasts look like kooks ?

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Why was Deagle threatened with arrest by the Department of Defense if he persisted in trying to get analysis done of material from ground zero?

And your valid source for that claim is....?

Yor mean "Dr Bill Deagle", who constantly peddles very high priced vitamins and supplements? The one who claims in his book called “Clay and Iron” and in it he has categorically stated that the angel Gabriel appears to him on a regular basis and much of the information in the book has come directly from the throne of glory. One of his cohorts in his Christian bible prophecy preaching tour, Stan Johnson, continually stated publically that Dr. Deagle was one of the “two witnesses” of bible end-time prophecy.?

Yes, I see he is really a good source!

reply to post by spoor

I don't know anthing about the guy, except what I have heard in his video. Steven Jones had a bemused look on his face as he talked to Deagle. I don't think Jones endorses the nuke theory, but when Deagle said that he was trying to find beryllium among other metals in the WTC dust, Jones seemed to take it seriously.

You may be right in saying that religious visions make him ureliable as a witness, although in the United States, I'm not sure all would agree with you.

The source for his being threatened with arrest is himself. Can you think of anyone else who would be likely to corroberate such a threat? I'm sure it's not on a memo at the DOD, particularly if it happened.

It would be interesting to hear Steven Jones' opinion of Deagle's idea regarding testing the dust for exotic metals.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Deagle has already associated Gulf War Syndrome with the use depleted uranium munitions. Is it possible that depleted uranium also was used in the destruction of the WTC? Could depleted uranium have been a component of explosives used to cut heavy beams? Could it have been a component in the mix used for shaped charges?

If it could be proved that depleted uranium was a component in explosives used at the WTC, it would be a huge indicator of US government involvement in 9/11.

There is as much reason to conceal the presence of depleted uranium on 9/11 as there would be to conceal the use of mini-nukes.

I really wish people would understand some facts before spouting off nonsense!

Depleated Uranium is used as a PENETRATING weapon. It is used to defeat armored vehicles. The density of the round is what does the damage. It is also used as armor.

M1A1 Abrams tanks use them in their shells.
A-10 Warthogs use them in their Gatling cannons.

But none are used to "augment" an explosive. In fact, I dont see or comprehend how adding depleted uranium to an explosive is going to do anything more special to the object to be destroyed.

en.wikipedia.org...

Do such charges exist? Is there any need to use depleted uranium? Demolitions worked fine in the past without it. Also Gulf war syndrome was caused by whatever was injected into the soldiers to protect them from biological wafare. Else crews would suffer of GWS in peacetime as well, UNLESS depleted Uranium is never ever used in training. Also we dont seem to have GWS in the post 2k wars, and depleted Uranium is still used. And finally, the symptoms of GWS werent consistent with radiation exposure, except for birth defects.

Originally posted by GenRadek
I really wish people would understand some facts before spouting off nonsense!

Are you sure you're on the right website?

Depleated Uranium is used as a PENETRATING weapon. It is used to defeat armored vehicles. The density of the round is what does the damage. . . . In fact, I dont see or comprehend how adding depleted uranium to an explosive is going to do anything more special to the object to be destroyed.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 9/30/2011 by GenRadek because: (no reason given)

You're an expert on these things. I am just a humble layperson, but consider the following quote from your linked article:

On more properly military grounds, depleted uranium is favored for the penetrator because it is self-sharpening and pyrophoric.[26]
On impact with a hard target, such as an armored vehicle, the nose of the rod fractures in such a way that it remains sharp. The impact and subsequent release of heat energy causes it to disintegrate to dust and burn when it reaches air because of its pyrophoric properties.[26] When a DU penetrator reaches the interior of an armored vehicle, it catches fire, often igniting ammunition and fuel, killing the crew, and possibly causing the vehicle to explode.

Is it possible that some fiendish monster in a white lab coat, working late at night in the lab, at Dow Chemical or Monsanto or Frito Lay could come up with some combination of depleted uranium and explosives that could make use of its penetrating and pyrophoric characteristics to penetrate and or burn a girder in a steel framed building?

Why would the DOD threaten to arrest Deagle for doing spectroscopic analysis of WTC dust?

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Why would the DOD threaten to arrest Deagle for doing spectroscopic analysis of WTC dust?

What evidence is there that they threatened Deagle?

None at all of course!