New video showing the second Tower impact

reply to post by Human_Alien


You posted a video saying 'look at xx seconds into the video, something weird on the left'. Can't see it.

The question which needs to be answered about the claims made for the videos and in fact all theories about the attacks of 11/9/01 is why no one can establish a clear, uncontradicted timeline of events, method of 'demolition' and motive for the attack - i.e. who planned it and why.

This is what a conspiracy theorist must do if they are to be taken seriously. Establish exactly who planned the attack and why. Show what events took place and how they were achieved physically. Most importantly, this must be done in a way that brooks no contradiction or confusion from any other conspiracy theory. There must be one version and one version only that is proven. Why? Because we are not living on a plane of reality where multiple futures overlap in our senses. For all practical purposes, one event follows another, step by step. This means there is only one true series of events which led to the events of 11/9/01. So what is it? Take us through it, step by step. If it's the truth, then no one who doubts the official history will be able to contradict you.

reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster


911 For Psychos
The Media Are The Enemy

The perpetrators control the institutions which are responsible for investigating their crimes.

Whats "insane" the camera angle or the the angle of the plane?

Originally posted by thepresenttense
Does anyone have any idea what the intense buzzing sound is that starts just after the plane hits the tower in this video? I've never noticed that in any other video I've seen of the second plane strike.

That is what I want to know. I have not heard that before in any other video either. Odd. As time goes on we will just get more questions but few if any answers to 9/11.

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by earth2mayavision
reply to post by cripmeister

 

On the day of 9/11, my boss, a long-time civil engineer and head of our regional office, was in PA at a meeting. I received a call from him not long after the first tower practically evavporated. His first sentences to me (as his admin asst) were, "Is the office watching this? Who could have pulled off this type of controlled demolition?"

Your boss was not alone. The entire waking WORLD thought those buildings were brought down from detonation and 10 years later, most still do!

NO, the entire waking world did not actually think that. Where do you people get this stuff?

Not everyone is a conspiracy theorist.

Where are all the whistle blowers?

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by pshea38

 

I ask you this respectably: did it ever occur to YOU that our own government is behind some of the faked footage?

Why, you ask?
So they, the government, virtually has to do nothing. Because as long as they have people like Bill O'Reily and even Bill Maher to cast dispersions on the crazy radical tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy community then they have their official story looking more plausible.

So, this is my theory; they, the government set forth a plan to perpetrate many questionable photographs, witnesses, videos etc so they can get the attention off of them and onto us! . And guess what? It worked because 10 years later the heat is STILL as hot between us and no one has answered our burning questions.

So in summation it is my belief, not only was our government(s) involved in 9-11 (aka Operation PNAC) but they are also involved in muddling the waters afterward too!

And I ask you respectably: How many people do you suppose had to be involved in order to pull off this entire event with the precision it was? How many Americans are you suggesting had there hand in this? We're talking American citizens who agreed to treason. MSM networks. News anchors. Demolition crews. The US Gov't. Defense Corps. etc etc...

Had to be hundreds of people. And not one with a guilty conscience. Not one whistle blower. 10 yrs later....

Doesn't anyone else find this odd?

Although maybe considered a bit James Bond-ish.....here's one very plausible theory that satisfies everyone (well, except Official Story-Trusters) concerning the planes.


Four planes:

1) American Airlines Flight 11 out of Boston (81 passengers and 11 crew members) departs 7:59
2) United Airlines Flight 175 out of Boston ( 56 passengers and 9 crew member) departs 8:14


Flight 11 crashes into One WTC 8:46
Flight 175 crashes into Two WTC 9:03

Boston to NYC takes 25-30 minutes

Flight 11 took 47 minutes
Flight 175 took 49 minutes



3) American Airlines Flight 77 out of DC (58 passengers and 6 crew members) departs 8:20
4) United Airlines Flight 93 of of Newark (37 passengers and 7 crew members) departs 8:42


Flight 77 crashes into Pentagon 9:37
Flight 93 crashes in Shanksville 10:03

Flight 77 is across the river yet took 77 minutes
Flight 93 (Newark to PA) 60 minute flight took 75 minutes


There seems to be at minimum at 15 minute gap. Oh sure, we can say the terrorists needed that time to knock out the pilots and take command of the planes using their plastic knifes and box-cutters which happened to past security but hey, it's possible I suppose!


HOWEVER, it is also very very very possible that:


These four planes met up, had a rendezvous in Newburgh NY, switched planes, equipped with explosives/thermite etc....... and four other planes were used instead.




On a very interesting side note:


Flight 93 was reported to have landed in Cleveland that morning.
But of course it was later explained as 'a misunderstanding due to all the confusions that day' (more likely it was dismissed because it soiled the "Northwood-like' Operation!)






Could all the people from all four planes (who might have been CIA agents) gotten off in Newburgh, switched planes and landed in Cleveland as reported?

Of course they could've.

The timing/location of Newburgh's Stewart Airport (which is both a civilian and military airport) is conveniently located and no one would've been the wiser!


Oh yeah, WTC 7 fell that afternoon too due to all the confusion as well!

reply to post by Human_Alien

Boston to NYC takes 25-30 minutes

Just checked American Airlines

Boston to JFK is 75 minutes.

Check yourself, easy to do.

reply to post by PhotonEffect




The only thing that would've needed to be staged was, the passengers/planes. (see my explanation above)


We are talking about a government that wanted to do JUST what was done on September 11th only back in the 1960's under Operation Northwoods. And they've gotten a lot more sophisticated since the Kennedy administration.

It's not that difficult to pull off.


The put-options of both airlines plus the 'terrortist' insurance that Silverstein upped on the World Trade Center complex only 6-weeks prior is way more than coincidental.

You can't make this stuff up.


Those are facts that are being tucked under the 'coincidence' file and I for one cannot buy into that.

My theory of four OTHER planes (and all people on said-planes being agents) is far less conspiratorial than what they want us to believe that actually DID take place.

The odds of successfully over-taking FOUR planes (or five) and sneaking on 'weapons' is more James Bondish than my scenario if you think about it.

We had heightened airport security measures in place airports back in Sept 11 2001 with wands and x-ray machines. (Of course they weren't molesting and groping the passengers like they do now) But security measures were definitely in place. People and their belongings were all scanned.

How the hell did 19 people manager to get on board with 19 weapons (not to mention, using phony ID's)?

What's the point of presenting ID if your face doesn't match the picture?


But yet we are to believe that these x-ray machines allowed 19 'box-cutters' on board and the airline employees just overlooked the ID discrepancies?

C'mon.

Even a Truster has to admit this is very suspect.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

Boston to NYC takes 25-30 minutes

Just checked American Airlines

Boston to JFK is 75 minutes.

Check yourself, easy to do.

Seeing everything in the OS was performed or carried out under optimal conditions:

The distance from Boston to NYC is 214 miles.
A Boeing 767 flies at 450-500 mph.
Do the math.

Of course this is not including: boarding the plane, turbulence that might be encountered, landing/slowing the plane or taxiing a plane on the tarmac.

This was a perfect day, remember?

Put a Boeing 767 doing 500 mph.... in the air at Boston.....it'll take around 30 minutes to fly it into a building in Manhattan.

reply to post by Human_Alien


Except did not fly direct routes as planes were heading west toward Los Angles/San Francisco

Routes were flying often took planes far to west of intended targets, forcing planes to turn around
Also hijacking took place after planes had reached cruising altitudes - sometimes more than 1/2 hr after takeoff

AMERICAN 11



UNITED 175



AMERICAN 77



UNITED 93

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

The only thing that would've needed to be staged was, the passengers/planes. (see my explanation above)

We are talking about a government that wanted to do JUST what was done on September 11th only back in the 1960's under Operation Northwoods. And they've gotten a lot more sophisticated since the Kennedy administration.

Operation Northwoods. I hadn't been aware of it and must admit it's got me starting to look a this a little differently

These passages are very intriguing...

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

All I keep thinking about when I read this was the bombing of the USS Cole before 9/11

The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they proposed; "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

whatreallyhappened.com...

ABC reported on this too back in May 2001- the timing is impeccable...

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

abcnews.go.com...

Originally posted by Human_Alien
At 19 second mark, what is that, that's flying on the left hand side? I don't believe it's a bird (because the other birds scattered out of there with a purpose of getting away) and looks too small to be a plane not to mention Manhattan has a no-fly zone over that entire island....so, what could that be?

edit on 30-9-2011 by Human_Alien because: (no reason given)

Those were news helicopters.

They are Russian and they are listening to Novoe 1 Radio station. I have a friend from Manhattan who has music played on Novoe.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

How the hell did 19 people manager to get on board with 19 weapons (not to mention, using phony ID's)?

What's the point of presenting ID if your face doesn't match the picture?


C'mon.

Even a Truster has to admit this is very suspect.

They had passports. Mohammed Atta originally boarded in Maine. And if you are transferring planes, you don't go through security twice. You go through it the first time you board. That was in Maine.

At JFK and Newark, those were just lay-overs, Mohammed Atta almost missed the flight because the plane from Maine was actually late.And not every person was checked at that time. There were metal detectors but it was found out all across the country, those machines were not turned on all the time. And at that time, people could take knives if they were small. Times have changed since then. Didn't the shoe bomb guy actually make it onto a plane?

Originally posted by Human_Alien





On a very interesting side note:


Flight 93 was reported to have landed in Cleveland that morning.
But of course it was later explained as 'a misunderstanding due to all the confusions that day' (more likely it was dismissed because it soiled the "Northwood-like' Operation!)

Except the air traffic controllers were communicating with 93 and three other pilots on other planes commented on the plane making a turn around in the air and commented that they heard 93 say there was a bomb on board.

www.youtube.com...

It had not landed in Cleveland, they had it on radar but it turned away from Cleveland. This was visibly witnessed by other pilots.

Originally posted by l_e_cox
reply to post by Varemia

 

What's weird is that each video of this event sounds and looks a little different.

That is because of the different cameras used. Not all of them are the same and they record differently because of the settings on each camera.

Originally posted by cripmeister
Horrifying video. It looked like the plane was going to slice the tower in half, it is amazing that it remained standing for nearly an hour.

As a builder; it should still be standing. I don't want to start a whole thing about whether you think so too thats my professional opinion .