New video showing the second Tower impact

the point is 9/11 was an inside job

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
I agree that the strangest thing about this video is that the cameraman and whomever was with him did not react in any way. Although this doesn't necessarily imply that they knew it was coming, it is strange nonetheless. Unless in their country they see planes hit skyscrapers all the time. I would like to know what language they are speaking so I can figure out where they are from, so I know what country I should avoid.

You don\t think stunned silence is a reasonable response?

All these televised fireballs...so now I ask;

I wonder what the possibility is if the jets that collided into the WTC were loaded with nano-thermite or whatever it's said to be by the professor who did a good deed and got punished...

Has anyone that is competent tested what the explosions would look like had the airplanes been loaded with 'nano'.
This possibility would defeat any need to plant explosives prior to, and what of any remaining jet fuel following the fireballs, to 'bleed downstairs'.

I say that the fireballs produced were coupled with atomized jet fuel.
Televise this simple inquiry, let the people see the difference, if there is one...

30,000 gallons of jet fuel alone against 30,000 gallons of jet fuel atomized with nano thermite. Let the scientist determine the amount of nano to be mixed.
If I had the money and the access...

It's not like we haven't seen such an explosion on TV before.


Wishful thinking that such a complex conspiracy can be proven putting to practice simple laboratory-based experiments.

Save the repercussions for another thread. It's time to turn the tide of fear and being soft.
I wonder if our president has the honeycombs to write it into an EO...make it happen.

Thank goodness Elenin is aligned with us and the new moon at this time, otherwise I'd think I was going all ape poop!

Originally posted by mayabong
Very strange that there was no reaction when the plane hit.

That's because it's FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

The people who shot this video decided to drop it 2 days before the 10th anniversary of 9/11?

reply to post by Human_Alien


I think planes with missiles or perhaps just missiles that have tails and wings that actually look like jets.. then a mass cover-up of the missile strike form the shadow government on the real government.. something like that .. who knows man its a mess!

I'm sorry I didn't mean to put you on the spot about your brother but you brought it up

reply to post by Drew99GT


this video has been publicly available for years.

reply to post by pshea38




I ask you this respectably: did it ever occur to YOU that our own government is behind some of the faked footage?

Why, you ask?
So they, the government, virtually has to do nothing. Because as long as they have people like Bill O'Reily and even Bill Maher to cast dispersions on the crazy radical tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy community then they have their official story looking more plausible.

So, this is my theory; they, the government set forth a plan to perpetrate many questionable photographs, witnesses, videos etc so they can get the attention off of them and onto us! . And guess what? It worked because 10 years later the heat is STILL as hot between us and no one has answered our burning questions.

So in summation it is my belief, not only was our government(s) involved in 9-11 (aka Operation PNAC) but they are also involved in muddling the waters afterward too!

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

skip to 1:46 exactly, and look at it fullscreen, look at the plane's left edge, of the tail and wing, you guys see that line? like the plane is cut out and pasted into the image?

see the line of its image which lines up perfect from wing to tail? thats odd isnt it? wonder what that could be,,,,,

Good eye, I agree with you that there is a box around the plane and it looks to have been a cut and paste job.

I have never really believed in any of the no plane theories. But this video does make me want to take a closer look at all the other footage more closely.

Here's another attempt by someone to edit the 9-11 footage

reply to post by Teebs



I'm reading your posts. You make perfect sense to me. I wish we could just all finally agree there were flying machines that day. We don' know if they were passenger or military or even drone planes. But they were there in Manhattan that morning.


Moving on to the others:


Screw this hologram crap. That is so played out it's embarrassing to even associate that word in this matter.

And, as far as the CGI. Yes. Some of them could very well be CGI but you can't then make a giant leap and insinuate that there were no planes then. One has nothing to do with the other.

Faked videos have a multitude of purposes and the main one is to keep us arguing. And divided. And who better than anyone would want this? Of course, the perpetrators! Our government. After all, 'we're either with them or a terrorist'

If you don't think that the bin Ladens and the Bush's and the other Dicks aren't sitting back counting their oil fields over an umbrella drink somewhere down in Paraguay then, you must not have been paying attention these past 10 years!

Originally posted by firegoggles
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

I think planes with missiles or perhaps just missiles that have tails and wings that actually look like jets.. then a mass cover-up of the missile strike form the shadow government on the real government.. something like that .. who knows man its a mess!

I'm sorry I didn't mean to put you on the spot about your brother but you brought it up

edit on 9/30/2011 by firegoggles because: (no reason given)

Oh that's cool. I just wasn't sure where you were going with that question, that's all


Oh trust me, I SO do not rule out missiles. Missiles disguised as planes works for me.

When that photo of a American Airline painted missile hit the internet (sorry, can't find the photo. Only the You Tube) the debunkers were on it within hours.
They said everything from the emblem was photoshopped in.....to, it was a gag prop !

And I think we are learning, just because it gets or tries to get debunked doesn't make it not true. As we all know now they have debunkers on their payroll. It's damage control. Smear campaigners. Spin Doctors. Whatever you want to call them.


Hey, it is good I used this video instead because read the comments. It is debunker heaven!
Now I am not saying I know this to be actual but I do know it was debunked without hours! Why? Seems it might've hit a government nerve.


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I still think that the most important video to analyze is the video that the news aired during the live broadcast that morning. I was watching the live broadcast before the 2nd plane hit. I watched it as it happened. I strongly believe in the controlled demolition / thermate theories.

All other videos that came out later could have been altered by someone from either side of this tragedy. Dis-info and counter-intel is a widely used practice by covert organizations of government and terrorism.

Even if certain videos are proven to be fake that does not mean that all videos are fake. There is also still the issue of who created the fake video and for what purpose.

Originally posted by loveguy
All these televised fireballs...so now I ask;

I wonder what the possibility is if the jets that collided into the WTC were loaded with nano-thermite or whatever it's said to be by the professor who did a good deed and got punished...

Has anyone that is competent tested what the explosions would look like had the airplanes been loaded with 'nano'.
This possibility would defeat any need to plant explosives prior to, and what of any remaining jet fuel following the fireballs, to 'bleed downstairs'.

I say that the fireballs produced were coupled with atomized jet fuel.
Televise this simple inquiry, let the people see the difference, if there is one...

30,000 gallons of jet fuel alone against 30,000 gallons of jet fuel atomized with nano thermite. Let the scientist determine the amount of nano to be mixed.
If I had the money and the access...

It's not like we haven't seen such an explosion on TV before.

Wishful thinking that such a complex conspiracy can be proven putting to practice simple laboratory-based experiments.

Save the repercussions for another thread. It's time to turn the tide of fear and being soft.
I wonder if our president has the honeycombs to write it into an EO...make it happen.

Thank goodness Elenin is aligned with us and the new moon at this time, otherwise I'd think I was going all ape poop!

Our POTUS sign an Executive Order for what?....a Sept 11th re-creation experiment? Oh but to laugh for!

But I think your theory has been thought about (see: Pod under plane). In fact, I think that is very embraced in the possible scenario community.

I don't think those four planes were the four planes that were reported hijacked. So that's where I begin. No wait. I go back even further. Those 19 Arabs? Shills.

So if four regular passenger planes weren't involved then that leaves the door wide open for any possibility EXCEPT holograms!

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Yes, and even the news reporters were saying it looked like a controlled demolition. Peter Jennings was one of them. Dan Rather might've said it later that day. Not sure.

But so much was said live that day only to be discredited later by saying 'they didn't know because of all the confusion'.
Like the reporter at the Pentagon. He's live on the air saying there is no trace of any airplane hitting that building.

I wonder how many ATSers recall that day and how many are just now catching up? Because I lose sight on how 10 years makes a big difference when you're younger. Because someone could've been 6 years old then and now....a punky teenager (just kidding) but old enough to want to know what happened.

But I am older. So I remember 9-11 as vividly as my parents remember JFK (inside job) assassination whereas I was only 2 years old then.

I like how you think! Star for you

reply to post by Human_Alien


There were 5 planes if we count the C1-30 at the Pentagon.

reply to post by Human_Alien

Well the "American Airlines missile" is easily debunked, given how the source image is readily available:


The source of the second image can probably be found by taking a screengrab of it, running it through TinEye, and seeing if anything turns up.

Oh yeah, and for what it's worth, the wingspan of the AGM-86 ALCM (which is what it's a picture of) is 12 feet. The wingspan of a Boeing 767, which hit the WTC towers, is 156 feet. They're not easily mistaken for each other.

Originally posted by loveguy
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

There were 5 planes if we count the C1-30 at the Pentagon.

I'm a little sketchy about that although I do recall they were reporting a fifth plane and they thought it was heading towards Camp David or something like that. But then that got squashed by Sept 12th.

What do you know about this fifth plane?

Hey, maybe that's where all the passengers ended up (although I always thought they de-planed in Cleveland (as reported) and then, who knows what.

I'm not even sure I'm convinced there were real people on those planes. I haven't met one person who knew one person....who knew anyone, on any of those planes (even though I know that's a long shot but still. We're only supposed to have 9-degrees of separation between us all)

Originally posted by l_e_cox
reply to post by Varemia

 

What's weird is that each video of this event sounds and looks a little different. One researcher believes that they are ALL edited with approach noise, impact visuals, and explosion noise added in the studio. Apparently, they were all produced by people who had the technical capability to finely edit the footage before releasing it. None of them were made by some "dumb tourist" who happened to be walking along at the time.

Now on the other hand if all of the videos looked exactly the same then it would be MUCH more convincing proof that they were faked! The fact that they all look a little different is much more in line with the real life recording of such an event from different angles, and different vantage points......different heights, and different distances from the building, etc. etc.

Exactly where do you think this video has been edited?.....unless you are calling the times the camera was simply turned off and then restarted "edits".

Assuming every amateur video of the second plane hitting is a fake.....that would mean TPTB would have to somehow round up every single person within viewing distance of the World Trade Towers that were carrying phone cameras that morning and confiscate every single one of them, on the off chance that they caught even a second of footage......such a thing would be a far more complicated and involved conspiracy to keep quiet than some false flag 'blame the terrorists' event!

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That's cool too. Whatever.

I never come off as if I emphatically know anything about that day. And even when you show me a naked missile, I still don't know. There's been so much misinformation and disinformation for 10 years that I am numb to it all.
And it's probably better that way too!

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

The second one did look like paper or something, since you can see it flapping around being carried by a current of wind, but the first was certainly a flying device due to its steady, slow and straight movement across the sky. The most likely to have been present would be a helicopter from the news or something.

Anything flying would be effected by the wind current. But I don't even see that in the second one. Let me look again.
If anything it may be a bird.

And I don't see this as being a helicopter of any sort. Unless it was a small remote controlled one.


Yep, so many questions--- so many theories and it seems we spend way too much time and effort micro-analyzing this day and we get away from the bigger issue. And that is: these attacks were allowed to happen in order to facilitate a pretext to seize Middle East oil and opium fields! So matter what we say (CGI, No planes, Missiles etc) it still resulted in the same ending!


Ron Paul 2012~

I used to see helicopters all the time, and I'm near a flight school right now, and have seen a helicopter recently. They behave like that first anomaly in the video if the pilot directs it that way. Since I know for certain that helicopters were viewing the towers, I can say with confidence that it is the most likely reason for the object witnessed.

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Now I am not saying I know this to be actual but I do know it was debunked without hours! Why? Seems it might've hit a government nerve.

So people thinking its fake means its real?

It looks fake to me. Does that mean im paid disinfo?