The Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

#3 is nonsense, and part of the opening paragraph sounds like communism.

I hate the corporations as much as anyone, but focusing ENTIRELY on them as the sole evil in existence makes me think the motivations of many of the people involved in this are not correct. The motivation should be to figure out how to do capitalism correctly, keeping power in the hands of the people rather than corrupt CEOs. The motivation should not be to promote communist or socialist agendas.

Ok so for more analysis of this list

7.They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

Ok, I don't like outsourcing. But who is outsourcing? The big corporations. Are they saying Wall Street is responsible for this? They should be at the WH with signs telling POTUS to stop punishing business with regulations and taxes which force them to go overseas. People who criticized the Tea Party are now making demands of Wall Street that Big Brother is responsible for. This is the utter hypocrisy of this movement. Where were they when the Tea Parties were protesting? Sitting around posting on Huffpo how terrible the Tea Parties were and here on this site ridiculing Tea Party most likely. Or maybe they were in Egypt protesting Mubarak.
Cut worker's healthcare and pay...hmmm sounds like more Union stuff.
Ok moving on

15.They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

Ok who has? Big Oil? Wall Street? How did they do that? Hey, these people never got the memo that BIg Brother gave Solyndra govt money to develop its alternate source and now its going bankrupt. Again, this is nothing but a leftist demand for someone anyone to do their bidding. I guess POTUS didnt do enough with his takeover of auto and energy and giving taxpayer dollars to Petrobas, the BRAZILIAN Nationalized oil company and his moratorium on oil drilling. This demand has no business being in a list of stuff Wall Street is responsible for. So again, this simply is not about Wall Street but a list of radical left complaints against Capitalism. I am guessing this is really Cap and Trade with a different dress.

16.They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

Ok nothing like taking on all the Big everything while we are at it. Now Big Pharma. Ok, cause Wall Street trades stock in pharmaceutical companies? Nothing illegal about that. What do they want Wall Street to do about this? Wall Street doesn't make rules on generic drugs. So what do they really want with this demand? Do they want to eliminate the BigPharma lobbying in DC? Then picket Washington. This is why their entire list is irrational in terms of what Wall Street can and cannot do or is responsible for.

19.They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

Again, Who has? This is not Wall Street, this is Big Government, so where were they when the Tea Party was in front of DC?
Colonialism at home...? Perhaps they mean the illegal colonies beng set up in Los Angeles and sanctuary cities. Again this is not Wall Street its stupid politicians. No, these leftists don't give a rats tail about illegals, they promote illegals through lobbying for the Dream Act etc, unless there is a rogue Tea Party group putting this in, but I'm inclined to think this demand is more about a hate fest against corporations which use "slave labor', and again, this is not Wall Street, but Capitalism. Again, another communist demand for the downfall of Capitlaism. Also, I've traced this to actions by the UN...

After the First World War, the victorious allies divided up the German colonial empire and much of the Ottoman Empire between themselves as League of Nations mandates. These territories were divided into three classes according to how quickly it was deemed that they would be ready for independence.[9] However, decolonization outside the Americas lagged until after the Second World War. In 1962 the United Nations set up a Special Committee on Decolonization, often called the Committee of 24, to encourage this process.

en.wikipedia.org...

Also, this is possibly related to the concept of US "Imperialism" but they are trying to keep their demands a bit under the radar so most people don't realize how radical it is.

I am not saying there are no legitimate complaints, but it probably also has to do with military installations in other parts of the world. However, just as in the anti-war protests in the 60's the radicals always protest war in any version, regardless of the reasoning behind the war. In the Viet Nam era, there were communist subversives who deliberately opposed war in order to degrade any attempts at stopping the expansion of world communism by the soviets and/or other communist agents.

20.They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

Well gee Wall Street is murdering civilians overseas in addition to colonializing there? I think they mean the military, so again, why aren't they at the Pentagon with this demand? Oh yah they did this already. This is Code Pink. I'm almost certain these last two demands came directly from Code Pink. And I know they have been there because I saw pics of their signs.

I thought the same thing as you, but if you don't read into it, then it makes sense.

What they could mean here is the fact that gender biases have been used to divide and conquer, as well as discrimination issues.

Basically side people against each other based on Race, Gender or whatever.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Yes, this protest is not about Wall Street. The list of demands has very little to do directly with Wall Street. For instance this one

3.They have perpetuated gender inequality and discrimination in the workplace.

This is a feminist demand and has nothing to do with the bailouts or the real workings of Wall Street Finance. It is dredging up the old ERA which was never ratified by Congress because it would force pregnant women and mothers onto the front of battle against their will. I remember when this was going on during the 70's and 80's.

During most of those years, ERA had attached to it the Hayden Clause which read: "Nothing in this Amendment will be construed to deprive persons of the female sex of any of the rights, benefits, and exemptions now conferred by law on persons of the female sex." Then, as now, the advocates were unwilling to compromise for anything less than a doctrinaire equality, and so ERA went nowhere

These statements are just emotional musings that in the long run are going to distract the rest of us from the real issues that we need to take a stand about.

I know the temptation for many here is to get excited about all of this, but it's not going to go anywhere, and frankly....many of the "complaints" are penned by people who are unwilling to take responsibilities for their actions and decisions.

America there are plenty of things to be mad about...don't let these hippies distract us from the real issues.

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Real Truth I am reading into it my memory of the ERA debate and feminism in general. What does it have to do with Wall Street trading of stocks? Nothing. ERA was struck down long ago and for good reason. Wall Street doesn't govern who gets what pay. That is the free market, and this is nothing but red feminism promoting social engineering and "social and economic justice".

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Disinfo. History does not support this viewpoint in ANY form. Hippies, (add pejorative semantic moniker) is just an establishment buzzword intended to take the focus off of the core issues. Nice try though

Besides....hippies don't own property. I know. I'm Family. They consider our world to be Babylon and try to exist outside of the paradigm. . these poeple are connected citizens with real, valid concerns.

For those of you saying some of the complaints are against the government not corporate America, I have some news for you.

The American military no longer serves to provide your freedom, their main job is protecting the wealth and resources or the ruling elite.

The America you think we live in, hasn't existed since the 50's.

Corporate America calls the shots now.

People have been wholesale slaughtered in Rwanda for 15 years, they even did movies about it. Did we show up with a Marine division and Aircraft carriers?

Fast forward to Libya, a few hundred get killed and we spring to action.

Why? They have something we want, oil.

Okay I wasn't going to write anything but all the uneducated responses forced me to it.

First off, when stating Wall street isn't responsible, Big governement is... Is this your first day here, if so welcome...

Companies Like Goldman and S+P do run big Gov.

These companies created the financial problem by bundling up subprime mortgages and bundling them up and giving them AAA ratings, which should not have been done, not only did they do this but with control of big government through lobbying and through staff moving into government jobs.

I mean, its not a subjective point of view, its fact. Look it up.

You can trace almost every problem back to Wall Street. Follow the money.

But I do understand it is important for some to think they know all without the proper information because their own self image is tied ito it.

Just remember, Follow the money.

I hope your not right, because if that is the case then their agenda is not for the "People".

IMO the feminist movement did nothing, but divide and gut the USA, even further than is already was. I believe that women deserve equal employment opportunities. I have worked and still work with many qualified women, but that is because they are qualified.

One of the reason I left large corporate USA, because people were not chosen on merit and qualifications, but merely for their gender, or skin color. I saw the writing on the wall 15 years ago.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Real Truth I am reading into it my memory of the ERA debate and feminism in general. What does it have to do with Wall Street trading of stocks? Nothing. ERA was struck down long ago and for good reason. Wall Street doesn't govern who gets what pay. That is the free market, and this is nothing but red feminism promoting social engineering and "social and economic justice".

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

While I am not a liberal by any stretch, I also agree that higher education needs to be free or at least affordable to everyone, and not through grants to certain people because they are minorities. That is discriminatory.

I have no idea how you'd do it, or who would pay for it. All I know is that there are a LOT of people out there who WANT to go to college, who COULD contribute to our society, but who are unable because of the COST. Imagine all the university administrators who make $150k a year, and there are lots of them at every big university - what do they do to earn that kind of a salary?

The current system is keeping this country stupid.

I am still not sure why we are all hell bent on big universities. You can get the same education at your local community college. Sure there are grants but they also offer payment plans and work with you. Its what my wife and I have done, the payment plans that is.

Originally posted by PapaKrok
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Disinfo. History does not support this viewpoint in ANY form. Hippies, (add pejorative semantic moniker) is just an establishment buzzword intended to take the focus off of the core issues. Nice try though

Besides....hippies don't own property. I know. I'm Family. They consider our world to be Babylon and try to exist outside of the paradigm. . these poeple are connected citizens with real, valid concerns.

There were radical subversives involved in the old hippie movement, Jerry Rubin and so on. Here is some wiki info on that guy

Rubin began to demonstrate on behalf of various left-wing causes after dropping out of Berkeley. Rubin also ran for mayor of Berkeley, receiving over twenty per cent of the vote. Having been unsuccessful, Rubin turned all his attentions to political protest. His first protest was in Berkeley, protesting against the refusal of a local grocer to hire African Americans. Soon Rubin was leading protests of his own. Rubin organized the Vietnam Day Committee, led some of the first protests against the war in Vietnam, and was one of the founding members of the Youth International Party or Yippies, along with social and political activist Abbie Hoffman[citation needed].

Rubin later played an instrumental role in the anti-war demonstrations that accompanied the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago by helping to organize the Yippie "Festival of Life" in Lincoln Park and speaking at an anti-war rally at the Grant Park bandshell on August 28, 1968. Violence between Chicago police and demonstrators (which an official government report called a "police riot") eventually led to the indictment of Rubin and seven others (Abbie Hoffman, Rennie Davis, John Froines, David Dellinger, Lee Weiner, Tom Hayden, and Bobby Seale) on several charges of conspiracy and incitement to riot.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

Remember how Nancy Pelosi did her little crocodile tear speech on what she remembered from the 60's? Well this was it, and she was characterizing the Tea Party with that 60's radical profile.
Where is she now with this protest and their demands?

I think its great that this is progressing as it is...
I think they also need to keep in mind that this is having effects on a global scale... whatever happens in america has to echo around the world...

so i propose a Facebook group or polling site that is linked to your identity group that allows voting on each and every decision that is being made on a global scale, only people who want to vote can vote, but only one/person... is this plausible?

The more posts I read the more I am thinking this is a wolf in sheep's clothing. As other posters here have said there are things in this that just don't fit.

It has an underlining taste of socialism....with a hint of republic.

Lets just remember what they say.

You can polish a turd but it is still a turd.

Keep an eye on the Live Stream people... Right now im watching live, there seems to be estimates of 2000-4000 people at Wall St right now... with almost 6000 people watching the live stream...

Enjoy

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A lot has changed in the last fifteen years however i'm not talking bout in corporate life i mean here in the real world.
I like to think that racism and sexism have left the main stream.

Originally posted by KingAtlas
Okay I wasn't going to write anything but all the uneducated responses forced me to it.

First off, when stating Wall street isn't responsible, Big governement is... Is this your first day here, if so welcome...

Companies Like Goldman and S+P do run big Gov.

These companies created the financial problem by bundling up subprime mortgages and bundling them up and giving them AAA ratings, which should not have been done, not only did they do this but with control of big government through lobbying and through staff moving into government jobs.

I mean, its not a subjective point of view, its fact. Look it up.

You can trace almost every problem back to Wall Street. Follow the money.

But I do understand it is important for some to think they know all without the proper information because their own self image is tied ito it.

Just remember, Follow the money.

I am assuming this is directed at me personally. Some things can be traced to Wall Street, things like INSIDER TRADING.
But most of this stuff is at best minimally connected. Colonialism? That's nothing but an attack on the Capitalist structure of business.
I want you now to tell me what you expect Wall Street to do about military outposts in foreign countries? Hmm? I can understand if this is about the Free Trade Agreements. Then why not just say that? Because they know already that this will spark a debate they don't really want to have. It is then cloaked as "colonialization".

Goldman Sachs does not "run" govt, they LOBBY govt. The Politicians "run" govt and they listen to lobbyists. So, it's ok to put a battering ram to all publicly traded companies because you are mad at Goldman Sachs?

Again, they should be protesting THE WORLD BANK with this.

Oh yah, and "uneducated" remarks "forced" you to post here? I'm continually amazed at how much influence I or others here have on people.

“Let them march all they want, so long as they pay their taxes.” -Alexander Haig

I admire the effort , determination and grit, but none of those issues can be fixed by a commodities trader

go to DC !!!!!!

Originally posted by the4thhorseman

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

While I am not a liberal by any stretch, I also agree that higher education needs to be free or at least affordable to everyone, and not through grants to certain people because they are minorities. That is discriminatory.

I have no idea how you'd do it, or who would pay for it. All I know is that there are a LOT of people out there who WANT to go to college, who COULD contribute to our society, but who are unable because of the COST. Imagine all the university administrators who make $150k a year, and there are lots of them at every big university - what do they do to earn that kind of a salary?

The current system is keeping this country stupid.

I am still not sure why we are all hell bent on big universities. You can get the same education at your local community college. Sure there are grants but they also offer payment plans and work with you. Its what my wife and I have done, the payment plans that is.

If the government wanted to provide free college it would only cost a few hundred dollars a year if they did it all online.

The reason they don't is because it's a for profit business, just like healthcare.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

The America you think we live in, hasn't existed since the 50's.

I hear what you are saying. However, one could argue that the America we think we live in never existed in the first place:

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