Conspiracy theories are no good. Jesus is savior.

reply to post by bogomil

Quote: ["The fact that there are so many forms of religion and that they have been around throughout our entire known history certainly points to the existence of a divine creator,"]

Truth is not decided by public vote.

The truth you are referring to is evident in nature. The comparison is available to draw a conclusion from the accurate reflection in the Word of God. Nature proclaims the glory of the Lord without speech. Knowledge is revealed. Truth rings out throughout the entire earth. Remember, we make the fire we burn by.

Psalms 19

1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
6 It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other;
nothing is deprived of its warmth.

reply to post by SuperiorEd


You wrote:

["The truth you are referring to is evident in nature. The comparison is available to draw a conclusion from the accurate reflection in the Word of God. Nature proclaims the glory of the Lord without speech. Knowledge is revealed. Truth rings out throughout the entire earth........"]

In standard logic and standard rational reasoning, there are certain criteria for when an assumption can be 'promoted' to being axiomatic. I.e. when observations of something recurrent eventually turns out to be without exceptions.

Your arguments constantly refer to such 'axioms', you have invented yourself. Seen from a pragmatic perspective such a method is 100% dysfunctional, but then you probably never have to use it for anything else than building ivory-towers of theistic speculations.

Quote continued: [".....Remember, we make the fire we burn by."]

So you start with some assumptions and on top of them you add one (what seems to be axiom: Fire burns) and then...presto....all the assumptions turn into axioms from axiomatic proximity. Some kind of semantic sympathetic magic?

Or just another inductive reasoning-chain run amok into absurd 'parallelism'?

(PS From my perspective as a secular pastafarian, I can ofcourse just counter your postulates with claiming that "it's the great noodlemaster what done it, and everything reflects back to him. Consequently is the flying spaghetti monster our saviour").

Jesus died for our sins.

When Jesus died, He died for a reason. His death was not an accident. He came to this earth in order to forgive our sins. He had to die in order to do this. He came because Adam and Eve had disobeyed God.
Sin is disobeying God. God had warned our parents - Adam and Eve - that disobeying Him would bring death. They would die both physically and spiritually. Spiritual death is eternal separation from God - not destruction of the spirit. We understand physical death. When Adam and Eve sinned they caused their children to become sinners. They died both physically and spiritually.

I think for the same reason:
1 child dies every 3 seconds.
30,000 African children under the age of 5 die every day.
Malaria kills 3,000 African children every day.
25,000 people die each day from starvation. This was before the current food crisis.

They are innocent too..and this is only on the African continent.

I often wonder why we are still being punished, when Jesus should have cleared things up for us..! What a useless way to be sacraficed, all for nothing..

Ow..I forgot, like many Christians do also..the OT..Killing is good, raping is allowed, genocide okay.
Forget the OT, Jesus helps..
Sure, why not forget about Adolf H. and tell your Jewish friend? Who ? Adolf H? Never heard of the guy..

Just my two cents.

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34

Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17

Love the guy or not..

Originally posted by autowrench


I guess the really big question to ask is this:
Was Jesus supposed to be God in Human form?
or,
Was Jesus simply a Man who Became God?

I think I would rather go with the latter.

Once God always God realized as truth. Thus, it doesn't matter does it, and the spirit lives, today, this very day.

Why are we all engaged in these stupid arguments, that's the really BIG question..

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

Sadly my friend Crowley was exactly right.... Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law. What he didn't mention is that there may be consequences to your actions. Which as you said is a twisted truth.

But the fact remains, everyone is completely free to do whatever they will... free will reigns.

He was a brilliant man though slightly slanted in his beliefs

Unfortunarely you are right, but for those whom the word con*se*quen*ce has to many syllables and don't take karmic theory as axiomatic, a grey, bureaucratic existential social-democracy can be a kind of functional compromise taking the brunt of consequences off.

There may though be some real middle-road between that and SuperEd's dot-connecting.

As i've said, though he was slightly slanted in his methodology he was brilliant...

And i quote

Now the Magus is Love, and bindeth together That and This in his Conjuration.

The Formula of Tetragrammaton is the complete mathematical expression of Love. Its essence is this: any two things unite, with a double effect; firstly, the destruction of both, accompanied by the ecstasy due to the relief of the strain of separateness; secondly, the creation of a third thing, accompanied by the ecstasy of the realisation of existence, which is Joy until with development it becomes aware of its imperfection, and loves.

yet

The passion of Hatred is thus really directed against oneself; it is the expression of the pain and shame of separateness; and it only appears to be directed against the opposite by psychological transference.


He always looked for reward within his work... which is selfish. Though again his goal was in fact a selfish art, which was to control various things...

And as i've said, love is selfless