Conspiracy theories are no good. Jesus is savior.

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My question still hasn't been answered. How does your view on Jesus from the common Christian perspective is true over all the others? How is it? No one has answered my question.

reply to post by Veritas1

Thor,Allah,Odin,Dionysus,poseidon,aphrodite,Artemis,Apollo, or Hestia NEVER manifested themselves to come and offer themselves to die for my sins. God Bless you and peace be with you.

This is in error. The history on this has been distorted by Theosophy. Most of the claims are lies and twisting of truth. Crowley (Theosophist) said this, "Do what thou wilt, this is the whole of the law."

Jesus said, So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Theosophy twists truth at its mirror reflection to untruth. It seems true because it is so close to the opposite reflection. The world does not want you to know the truth. Satan will do anything to keep you from knowing that you can be free from your slavery to the world. Watch this video and then read my post above on how debt is cancelled by Jesus. This truth will break the chains that bind.

After watching that last video, I just want to say that I was convicted of MY sins...I am sorry that I came off in such a harsh manner and seemed to be closed minded. I am sorry and I was wrong. I just want everyone to experience the peace and love and hope that I have experienced through accepting Christ as my persona Lord and savior. Peace be to you all and God bless you all.

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I still do not have a answer from you or others who are so beefed up on Jesus being this or that. I do not want to see bible verses or clips from Mel Gibson's movie. That doesn't make it true. Just faith in the supernatural.

Originally posted by WhatsHappenin666
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

My question still hasn't been answered. How does your view on Jesus from the common Christian perspective is true over all the others? How is it? No one has answered my question.

Actually, I have many times over. You are blinded by pride. This is not a criticism of you. We were all where you are now. 1 Corinthians is a chapter you should read. Read it until you get to chapter 13. After you get to 13, keep going because all that you need to know is there. 13 just happens to be the key to what you are asking. The video I posted of Christ on the cross and the mathematics behind debt ( LINK) will make anything else sound empty and hollow. Buddhism is very close to this message, but requires the abandonment of suffering. This is another counterfeit truth that leads to works. Check any place you want, works are at the center of all world religions except Christianity. Works are produced by faith. There can be no other way. If works can produce faith, then Christ died on the cross for nothing. What reason would there be if you can work to salvation from your own efforts? Living life for one day should prove that this is not possible. We are all weak and choose reward over suffering most days. Works can only be produced after faith is strengthened by a love for God and others.

reply to post by SuperiorEd


I'm not blinded by pride at all. You're not showing me proof that your concept of Jesus is true. A video or the bible will not help me.

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Sadly my friend Crowley was exactly right.... Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law. What he didn't mention is that there may be consequences to your actions. Which as you said is a twisted truth.

But the fact remains, everyone is completely free to do whatever they will... free will reigns.

He was a brilliant man though slightly slanted in his beliefs

Originally posted by WhatsHappenin666
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

I'm not blinded by pride at all. You're not showing me proof that your concept of Jesus is true. A video or the bible will not help me.

It doesn't matter if he existed... he might have been a fabricated myth.

What does matter is whatever the person that is written about named Jesus.

What he taught was truth... and its proveable

Originally posted by Veritas1
After watching that last video, I just want to say that I was convicted of MY sins...I am sorry that I came off in such a harsh manner and seemed to be closed minded. I am sorry and I was wrong. I just want everyone to experience the peace and love and hope that I have experienced through accepting Christ as my persona Lord and savior. Peace be to you all and God bless you all.

That video just tears me up inside as well. I cannot imagine what it is like to suffer this from the hands of others. But when you consider that Jesus suffered this willingly, knowing that this would free the captives, I am completely cut to pieces for the grace that is offered as a free gift. This is how a life is changed. Thank you for sharing. It will be interesting one day to see the lives we have helped without even knowing.

1 Corinthians 13

1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

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what kind of "proof" do you need or want? I can tell you that I am a changed person of what Jesus has done for me. Before I got saved, I was into drugs and alcohol, and then He came into my life and changed all of that. I am not going to give my full testimony here because most people don't want to hear it and its not as important as me telling you that Jesus can change your life too. I don't have physical proof, but I do have proof that it is true because of my personal experiences and my transformation into a better person because of it. If you need more proof than that, Im sorry. I will pray for you. Peace and God bless you.

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I do and many others do not consider testimonies as proof. Since they're from your own personal experience and cannot be used to prove faith. How can one religion be true and the others false?

Originally posted by WhatsHappenin666
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

I'm not blinded by pride at all. You're not showing me proof that your concept of Jesus is true. A video or the bible will not help me.

The facts remain. Let me show you a verse that speaks to this.

1 Corinthians is where you answer is located.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

You will find that there are many people who see clearly. A desire on your part to know God amounts to you knocking on the door of truth. Here is the concern for you if you knock. If you truly desire to know, then you must knock fully knowing that the flaming sword, the all consuming fire of God is waiting on the other side. This flaming sword will cut you to pieces to remove your pride. No fear in this. Just be prepared to end your love of the world and the rewards that cause suffering. Be prepared to suffer to gain reward the proper way. God will build your faith and reveal his wisdom, but not if you are unwilling to fight your pride. Serving others is the quickest way to remove pride. Actually, the only way.

So if I do not use reason or logic I will not be a happy follower (slave) to a particular faith?

Originally posted by WhatsHappenin666
reply to post by Veritas1

 

I do and many others do not consider testimonies as proof. Since they're from your own personal experience and cannot be used to prove faith. How can one religion be true and the others false?

You can create your own testimony. This is really the only proof you will ever have. Love others, serve them with gladness and watch God in your midst. Find any place in your life where you are taking reward and replace it with suffering work for others. This won't get you to heaven (works are not faith). What this will do is reveal why you should have faith. Knock and the door is opened. Once opened, you will experience what it means to gain faith. Faith will never come if you cannot love God and serve others above yourself.

Like I said, it seems a paradox. Faith is dead apart form works, yet works do not give you faith. God does not desire your works. He desires your love. He requires your works, but works are not faith. Again, it just seems a paradox if you cannot love God first as He loves you. This is why we love others as we love ourselves. God is one of the others.

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You can be happy without God.
Did you know that?

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I would say God is ALL... of the others.

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Originally posted by WhatsHappenin666
So if I do not use reason or logic I will not be a happy follower (slave) to a particular faith?

A person cannot reason apart form truth. Reason gives you a justification to act or believe. One question should clear this up for you. Is there a reason to do good to others and not evil?

Evidence is everywhere you look. The Bible continues to speak the truth.

If you want more proof, then consult the physics of creation. LINK

More evidence can be seen by examining the story in the Hebrew aleph-bet. LINK

How about Jesus in God's name YHWH? LINK

Or, take a look at objectivism and how we falsly view the soul. Ayn Rand can be seen in the same light as a theosophist. LINK

Forget which religion you choose, just stick to the book that is living. Jesus is the living word. The Bible is the story of point A to Z.

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I disagree. What bible would you be referring to? There are many different Christian bibles. Also the Hebrew bible and Quran. You can argue all day your views are correct over the other but no one is correct.

Originally posted by WhatsHappenin666
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

You can be happy without God.
Did you know that?

If you mean that you can be smart enough to suffer work toward reward, then you are dead on. Anyone can do it. Most people are smart enough to avoid self-destructive rewards and stick to working for real reward. Works are not what gives you love for others. Can you love others? Yes. Faith is beyond these. Happiness is not joy. Joy transcends temporary reward. Permanent reward comes from faith. The void in each person can be filled with any number of pleasures, but it will not last.

Can you be happy apart from God. Yes, and possibly much happier than a believer who is suffering for his faith. The sun shines on us both equally, yet there is a world of difference in what the light accomplishes for each of us.

Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

We can only be made perfect through faith.

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I disagree. No one is perfect and God cannot help us at all. Only humankind can help themselves.