Gardasil HPV vaccines found contaminated with recombinant DNA that persists in human blood

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


You make some interesting points with the links you have provided. There has been some misinformation about HPV itself in this thread, but the vaccines are dangerous, and there is no mistake in that. Points 6 and 7 are even proven wrong by the CDC and other studies. Even from your own sources, points 6 and 7 alone list very good reasons why these vaccines should not be given to people.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by kokoro

 

I would like to see these volumes of studies. They override the FDA and CDC? Even these agencies admit the risks, but try to do damage control by focusing on the "benefits". The risks of these vaccines are a fact. Are you denying that?

Come on bro, come at me with some substance. I am open to information, but don't claim you have volumes of studies and haven't contributed not one thing. Enlighten me please.

Very well,

Safety and Immunogenicity of TA-HPV, a Recombinant Vaccinia Virus Expressing Modified Human Papillomavirus (HPV)-16 and HPV-18 E6 and E7 Genes, in Women with Progressive Cervical Cancer

Comparison of the immunogenicity and safety of Cervarix and Gardasil human papillomavirus (HPV) cervical cancer vaccines in healthy women aged 18-45 years.

Safety of human papillomavirus (HPV)-16/18 AS04-adjuvanted vaccine for cervical cancer prevention: a pooled analysis of 11 clinical trials.

Comparison of the immunogenicity and safety of Cervarix and Gardasil human papillomavirus (HPV) cervical cancer vaccines in healthy women aged 18-45 years

And what makes you think I am a "bro"?

I said before that any medication carries a risk, but so does walking out your front door yet I don't hear you telling people that nature kills. The point is that the risk is miniscule comparatively. You want to rail against something ? rail against something that actually kills people like heart disease, diabetes, or smoking!

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

You make some interesting points with the links you have provided. There has been some misinformation about HPV itself in this thread, but the vaccines are dangerous, and there is no mistake in that. Points 6 and 7 are even proven wrong by the CDC and other studies. Even from your own sources, points 6 and 7 alone list very good reasons why these vaccines should not be given to people.

Points 6 and 7 are FROM the CDC. The VAERS database is what the CDC uses when collecting safety information about vaccines.

From the CDC's own website:

1) 35 million HPV vaccines given as of February 2011 (more up-to-date than the 23-million figure I gave earlier)

2) 18,727 total adverse events reported (in other words, 0.005/100,000 persons). You would have to vaccine 200 people before you expect to see ONE adverse reaction, which will be minor (headache, soreness, fainting) 92% of the time.

3) The only major side effects attributed to the vaccine thus far are an increased risk of blood clots (less than 1/100,000), and nearly all occurred in women previously at risk for clots (obese, smokers, birth control).

4) No deaths have been confirmed as linked to the vaccine.


Now, with all of this clarified, can you provide the CDC source that contradicts any points I've made in either post so far?

reply to post by kokoro


Ok first off, sorry for calling you bro. It is a term I use a lot on here, meant no offense by it.

Your first link is epic fail. Only 29 people in the study. And some of them had reactions, just none of them were serious. Did you even read that link?

I'm not going to be a link nazi, but your next two links don't work, please try and fix them.

Your final link has lots of information. I quickly browsed it and did find some serious effects, and discussions about the risks of the ingredients. Your mountains of evidence consist of one study that has 29 people and was inconclusive. And your final link is very large, and from what I found supports the stance I have been siding with on this thread. Please be less vague and point out exactly what I am supposed to be looking for. You said you have volumes of studies. I would appreciate a hint or a quote on the external content for a regular old noob like me. Thanks in advance.

Just in case you missed it on the first page.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by daryllyn
reply to post by watchdog

 

Just in case you missed it on page one.

CDC.gov

Non-serious adverse event reports VAERS defines non-serious adverse events as those other than hospitalization, death, permanent disability, or life-threatening illness. The vast majority (92%) of the adverse events reports following Gardasil® vaccination have included fainting, pain, and swelling at the injection site (the arm), headache, nausea, and fever. Syncope (fainting) is common after injections and vaccinations, especially in adolescents. Falls after fainting may sometimes cause serious injuries, such as head injuries, which can be prevented by closely observing the person for 15 minutes after vaccination.

Serious adverse event reports Any VAERS report that indicated hospitalization, permanent disability, life-threatening illness, congenital anomaly or death is classified as serious. As with all VAERS reports, serious events may or may not have been caused by the vaccine.

Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) has been reported after vaccination with Gardasil® . GBS is a rare neurologic disorder that causes muscle weakness. It occurs in 1-2 out of every 100,000 people in their teens. A number of infections have been associated with GBS. There has been no indication that Gardasil® increases the rate of GBS above the rate expected in the general population, whether or not they were vaccinated.

Blood Clots There have been some reports of blood clots in females after receiving Gardasil®. These clots have occurred in the heart, lungs, and legs. Most of these people had a risk of getting blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (the birth control pill), smoking, obesity, and other risk factors.

Deaths As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

Total of 69 deaths in the USA alone. Isn't that enough reason right there? Where did you get your link. Mine is from CDC.gov.

It looks like a double edged sword to me. Safe sex and a healthy lifestyle certainly outweighs the risks of the vaccine. To each their own I guess.

Total of 69 deaths in the USA alone. Isn't that enough reason right there? Where did you get your link. Mine is from CDC.gov.

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Greys sabotaging human race.

Double post, sorry!

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Total of 69 deaths in the USA alone. Isn't that enough reason right there? Where did you get your link. Mine is from CDC.gov.

If you bothered to read my posts, you would see I linked to the same page. The only difference is, I bothered to READ the page. It very clearly stated in the "DEATHS" section that, to date, not a single death has been linked to the vaccine, but rather were reported (as is required) because the vaccine was given at some point near the person's time of death.

It looks like a double edged sword to me. Safe sex and a healthy lifestyle certainly outweighs the risks of the vaccine. To each their own I guess.

PLEASE READ MY FIRST POST.

SAFE SEX DOES NOT PREVENT HPV.

People like you are the reason I still see so many HPV-infected patients. How can I take you seriously in this thread if you won't do even one iota of research into the rates of HPV infection with safe sex?

I was, unfortunatly, one of those teenage girls who went to the doctor (it was my second home, after all) and the doctors assured me and my mother that the Guardasil vaccine was completely fine.
I got it in 9th grade. When I was in 9th grade I was sick for 60 days of the school year, which is more than usual. I have asthma (I've had it since 3rd grade due to a bad case of pneumonia) so we all thought it was just related to that. I got what the doctors told me was swine flu the first week of school, I had pneumonia three times, four sinus infections, and the worst case of strept throat I've had in my life. Please believe me when I say I'm not exagerating those numbers. And you better believe that there was a bottle of pills that came along with every single diagnosis. I took about 10 different medications within 9 months plus all of the steroids I need for my asthma. Also, those shots are the most painful shots I've ever experienced. Most shots are not that bad, but Guardasil is nasty. It literally burns.
I'm in 11th grade now and I'm fine. I'm not sexually active. I agree with what the majority are saying on this thread about sex. Sex is a propaganda statement for younger people. It's being shoved in our faces and there is pressure to get involved in it. Personally, I've never felt this pressure nor do I care about sex shoved in our faces. Most of my friends are having sex with one person. Some of my other friends though have already had sex with 3-5 different people. I don't say anything because it's their business but I can't help but ask myself if they're doing it because they actually want to or because they feel they should. Regardless, nobody I know has contracted HPV or any other STD...yet.

I had no idea that vaccines were like this and I'm really glad I get ATS twitter updates to my phone or else I wouldn't have known. I don't know how I'm suprised, either. This is the type of thing that we all expect to happen by now. I was hit unusually hard by this one, though. Probably because that crap was injected inside of me. Oh capitilism....how we love thee...

So, is there anything that is safe to take? Is Advil even worth it? I know it causes liver problems, but if you take the recommended amount a month is that still okay? Or should we all just avoid drugs and vaccines altogether?

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


OK guys I'm required to go out for the night and get off here for a while. Looks there will be a lot of discussion to debate once I awake. Feel free to leave comments or questions. I will get to them tomorrow sometime and try to back up my claims with evidence as well. Meanwhile you can all keep this going if you want and contribute new information while I'm out for the night.

Have fun and chat nice folks

Cheers.

ETA, the post above is exactly the point I am trying to get across with this thread. It is not safe. There are plenty methods of examples. Good night 4 real this time.

So, is there anything that is safe to take? Is Advil even worth it? I know it causes liver problems, but if you take the recommended amount a month is that still okay? Or should we all just avoid drugs and vaccines altogether?

99% of what you see on ATS regarding medications and vaccines is being told to you by people with zero medical education, zero biological education, and zero scientific training. What they do have is an agenda, a pre-formed conclusion, and a willingness to ignore any information that disagrees with that conclusion.

Does it make a lot of sense to you to base important medical decisions on what anonymous people on an internet message board tell you to do? That seems infinitely more dangerous than any medication or vaccine.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by kokoro

 

Ok first off, sorry for calling you bro. It is a term I use a lot on here, meant no offense by it.

Your first link is epic fail. Only 29 people in the study. And some of them had reactions, just none of them were serious. Did you even read that link?

I'm not going to be a link nazi, but your next two links don't work, please try and fix them.

Your final link has lots of information. I quickly browsed it and did find some serious effects, and discussions about the risks of the ingredients. Your mountains of evidence consist of one study that has 29 people and was inconclusive. And your final link is very large, and from what I found supports the stance I have been siding with on this thread. Please be less vague and point out exactly what I am supposed to be looking for. You said you have volumes of studies. I would appreciate a hint or a quote on the external content for a regular old noob like me. Thanks in advance.

No its not an epic fail., mainly because its more evidence having only 29 people than anything you have provided in this entire thread thus far. Second, mild tenderness is considered a "reaction" but is far less than deadly , don't you agree?

Third, this is only a snippet of things I found in about 5 minutes, of course I cannot list the entirely of the literature. My point was to show a snapshot and it clearly shows that the vaccine is safe and has been properly tested. Why don't you show me some real studies that show otherwise?

oh and the part about bro was a joke, although... I am a woman.

I remember all the hype over the H1N1 virus and how people were scared of the swine flu. Guess what? I got the swine flu. Yeah there were times when i felt like i was dying and my joints and muscles ached all over and my temperature was at its highest at night reached 103.4, but i weathered that sh*t with the power of Christ, some aspirin, a ton of gatorade and put cold compresses under my armpits and on my forehead. It lasted for 11 days straight. Yeah i can see how the swine flu would have killed a child or an old person, but i'd rather die than inject crap into my blood that could give me neurological diseases.

My dad was forced to take the swine flu vaccine when that crap hit the fan because he was a correctional officer and it was mandatory. Now he has parkinsons disease and can't stop shaking, He got parkinsons 6 months after taking the swine flu vaccine and we have no family history of anyone with neurological disorders.

When these doctors and nurses come at you with these vaccine's, tell them to take one first and see what their reaction is going to be, they will either refuse or lie and tell you they already took it.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000


My dad was forced to take the swine flu vaccine when that crap hit the fan because he was a correctional officer and it was mandatory. Now he has parkinsons disease and can't stop shaking, He got parkinsons 6 months after taking the swine flu vaccine and we have no family history of anyone with neurological disorders.

Correlation does not imply causation.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


The amount needed to do so silly. Technically water is toxic if you inject enough of it into you.

Also you eat bits and pieces of dna and other parts all the time. It's only some parts that hurt you. Occasionally these come in the form of mad cow and the lot.

Do please read them again.

I'll just go ahead and say I didn't read the entire thread but I wanted to share my experiences. I am 25 years old, 26 next month. I was diagnosed with HPV about 5 and a half years ago. I was told I had high risk cervical dysplasia, and that I was extremely likely to develop cervical cancer in the next few years. Apparently my cervix was covered in precancerous cells and I was warned to change my diet, stop smoking, and exercise a lot to stay as healthy as possible. I declined any treatment at the time as I was terrified at learning all of this and even more so of having the surgeries they were suggesting. They then suggested that I get the Gardasil vaccine. Although it was too late to protect me from the strain that causes cancer I would at least be protected from the strain that causes genital warts. I went ahead and had the vaccines done. I've shown no complications from either the vaccine or the HPV. I quit smoking, have tried to stay healthy, take my vitamins, eat my vegetables, etc. Truthfully I have been healthier in the last 5 years than I ever have in my entire life. My last pap smear in March came back completely normal. It appears there's no trace of HPV in my body anymore after having the vaccine. Maybe it's not linked, but I'm also fairly healthy and never had any complications from the shot. About the only times I get sick anymore are after I travel on airplanes and that's to be expected really.

reply to post by TMG333


That is absolutely wonderful to hear! Congratulations! =)

There is some evidence that younger women (typically under 21, but there are a few reports of women around your age) can occasionally "clear" the virus for some reason. Congratulations on being one of the lucky few!

Originally posted by watchdog
reply to post by Suspiria

 

It's not confusing me. Their premise is it helps prevent cervical cancer and genital warts. But yet we haven't even found a "cure" for cancer yet, so how do they (pharmaceutical companies) have any idea on how to "prevent" it, when they have no idea what causes it or how to treat it? It makes no sense and my kids are not lab rats to be tested on PERIOD!!

And the genital warts thing is just weird. One, kids shouldn't be having sex anyway Plain and Simple and if they are then they should at the very least be extremely picky about partners. Two cancer and genital warts are NOT the same thing, so how can they be treated with the same vaccine.

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Because most cervical cancers are caused by an overgrowth of cells. Usually these cells begin trying to heal the lesions caused by HPV. And the cells most often go out of control because our cervixes shed tissue very rapidly (similar to the mouth). So, it is susceptible to cancer when a disease causes the cells to multiply even faster. It doesn't prevent cervical cancer exactly... it helps prevent the cause of the cancer. It's like taking cigarettes out of someone's hand. You didn't prevent lung cancer... just you helped remove the cause.

I in no way think this is a good vaccine. Vaccines in themselves are just plain scary. The last flu shot I got was when I was required to in school. And I've only had the flu ONCE ever since (10 years)... and that happened to be the swine flu. All that considering I'm also a massage therapist and touch people for a living. Grant I'm incredibly OCD about my workspace and my hands being clean because of it... but it's still a lot of contact.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

Thank you, the more interesting part is that I have a weakened immune system due to a condition called Selective IgA Deficiency. I thought for sure I was going to get cancer and die because my body wouldn't be able to fight it off in its weakened state. I'm very susceptible to infections in the mucus membranes of my body, generally just respiratory infections but I also got a lot of urinary tract infections in the past. I usually never got better without aggressive treatment. I missed more school than everyone else in my class growing up due to illness. But I have gotten a lot stronger in the past few years since the HPV diagnosis. I certainly am not claiming that Gardasil "cured" me, that would be a ridiculous claim. Just stating that even as a person with a weak immune system I had no problems with the vaccine and have actually been healthier since. I'm not a big fan of vaccines and I avoid flu shots like the plague because they make me insanely ill. But I took a chance with this one and I am okay.

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Well yeah, but I'd rather not argue semantics