Gardasil HPV vaccines found contaminated with recombinant DNA that persists in human blood

S&F!

Here we go with yet another evil mandate from the FDA and Big Pharma to control the population. Did Hitler come back to run our country or what?

I was faced with deciding if my daughter should get this vaccine a few years ago and decided not to. I try to avoid government (FDA) mandated vaccines as much as possible. We have no idea what they really put in these vaccines. I'm sure it's all about controlling population and we should avoid vaccines unless we know without a doubt they are safe. How we find out if they are totally safe is a difficult task, unless you are or know someone that is a chemist. My family only eats organic foods, natural juices and no bottled water for the same reason.

THEY ARE TRYING TO POISON US TO CONTROL THE POPULATION! Don't believe their add campaigns. We have to stop this nonsense!

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by kokoro
Its not "dodgy" , HPV is sexually transmitted, boys are carriers and you want to vaccinate before they initiate sexual activity because a vaccine cannot help you if you already have the infection.

If the girls are vaccinated, then what is the problem?

If the vaccine works, there shouldn't even be a need to vaccinate boys.

Well no because: 1. boys don't just have sex with girls, and 2. Not all girls are vaccinated . HPV has been not only linked to cervical cancer but to oral and anal cancer as well.

the vaccine also protects against the most common strains that cause genital warts so there are many reasons to vaccinate boys as well.

There have been no deaths reported attributable with this vaccine. None. I honestly cannot figure out what your problem is with it other than a general distrust of science and government. You are happy to take advantage of all the new technology science offers (computers, internet, cars ect.) but advancements in medicine are looked at with suspicion. If they wanted to kill us all there are much easier ways to do it.

Originally posted by FFS4000
My little one (6) has never had any jabs, none and never will. Ironically he has never been ill, funny that. I've got friends who've 'jabbed' all their kids and funnily enough they are amongst the worst for time off from school due to illness, who would've thunked it.

Time for a little science and common sense guys=>

You've turned your child into a walking biohazard, congratulations. He's your child, so make what decisions you want with his health, I can't fault you for that. But every unvaccinated individual decreases the herd immunity of the community, making it more likely that "forgotten" but lethal illnesses like measles, diptheria and polio proliferate via unbroken chains of transmission. Vaccines don't just prevent you from getting sick, they lower the R0 variable in illnesses, making it so that pathogens can't establish themselves in a population. Your ignorance isn't just putting your child's health at risk(which granted, is your responsibility) but making it more likely that other children get sick with potentially deadly or debilitating illnesses. Seriously, this is University Health Class 101 stuff, educate yourselves before an innocent child loses a limb to polio, please.

Oh, and by the way, vaccines tend to pressure pathogens into evolving into less lethal forms so they kill their hosts slower and thus have a higher rate of successful transmission(the longer the disease is in a live host, the higher chance they are passed to another, uninfected host). Having more unvaccinated(and thus easily infected people in a population) creates a pressure for more easily transmitted and more deadly forms of diseases.

If we keep on this path of not vaccinating children then diseases like polio and small pox will return, in forms more transmissible and dangerous than ever. Then you guys will be clawing at "Big Pharma" to get your hands on some vaccinations.

Info Source: The Power of Plagues by Irwin B. Sherman.www.amazon.ca...
Note: If anyone has a rebuttal, please support it with a credible source of evidentiary information(ie- not Wikipedia or Rense, thank you).

Originally posted by kokoro

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by kokoro
Its not "dodgy" , HPV is sexually transmitted, boys are carriers and you want to vaccinate before they initiate sexual activity because a vaccine cannot help you if you already have the infection.

If the girls are vaccinated, then what is the problem?

If the vaccine works, there shouldn't even be a need to vaccinate boys.

Well no because: 1. boys don't just have sex with girls, and 2. Not all girls are vaccinated . HPV has been not only linked to cervical cancer but to oral and anal cancer as well.

Somehow a vaccine that only has a POSSIBILITY of preventing 2 of the 100+ variations of HPV and contains more toxic chemicals than I can find under my kitchen sink still doesn't seem like the right answer. "Call me crazy". I asked my boyfriend to get tested before we had intercourse the first time. What a concept; rocket science, I know.

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
Seriously, this is University Health Class 101 stuff, educate yourselves before an innocent child loses a limb to polio, please.

There goes your entire argument; lost to the sheerest form of bias possible in this discussion. you've been "educated". We get it.

If we keep on this path of not vaccinating children diseases like polio and small pox will return, in forms more transmissible and dangerous than ever. Then you guys will be clawing at "Big Pharma" to get your hands on some vaccinations.

Polio can be cured by massaging. There's stories of women doing this to cure children in times when it was rampant and Big Pharma persecuted them for it. You know, those people who "educated" you?

Info Source: The Power of Plagues by Irwin B. Sherman.
Note: If anyone has a rebuttal, please support it with a credible source of evidentiary information(ie- not Wikipedia or Rense).

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Source

Ok, a couple of questions for anyone that can answer me.

HPV is a virus. I believe there are many strains of HPV. As a virus, HPV is prone to mutate.

So, if a 12 year old girl gets a shot today. Will that stop her from getting a new mutated strain of the virus 5-10 years down the line?

Also, it's in my understanding that a mother infected with Herpes or Genital warts can pass these on to a child during childbirth. Can HPV be transmitted this way?

Originally posted by Partisanity

Originally posted by kokoro

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by kokoro
Its not "dodgy" , HPV is sexually transmitted, boys are carriers and you want to vaccinate before they initiate sexual activity because a vaccine cannot help you if you already have the infection.

If the girls are vaccinated, then what is the problem?

If the vaccine works, there shouldn't even be a need to vaccinate boys.

Well no because: 1. boys don't just have sex with girls, and 2. Not all girls are vaccinated . HPV has been not only linked to cervical cancer but to oral and anal cancer as well.

Somehow a vaccine that only has a POSSIBILITY of preventing 2 of the 100+ variations of HPV and contains more toxic chemicals than I can find under my kitchen sink still doesn't seem like the right answer. "Call me crazy". I asked my boyfriend to get tested before we had intercourse the first time. What a concept; rocket science, I know.

Just because there are over 100 variations of HPV doesn't mean they're all equally prevalent or dangerous. Gardisil and Cervarix might only target two strains of the pathogen but those two strains(type 16 and 18) are responsible for 70% of ALL cervical cancer cases(not just those caused by HPV). They also prevent types 6 and 11 of the HPV, which are responsible for 90% of ALL cases of genital warts. The vaccines offer 100% protection against developing cervical pre-cancers and genital warts caused by HPV strains 6, 11, 16 and 18.

So don't say "it only protects against two of over 100 types of HPV strains!", that's the height of fear mongering and dishonesty. Saying "it prevents 70% of all cervical cancers" and "prevents 90% of all cases of genital warts in 100% of vaccinations" suddenly makes the vaccine sound like a great idea, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Partisanity

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
Seriously, this is University Health Class 101 stuff, educate yourselves before an innocent child loses a limb to polio, please.

There goes your entire argument; lost to the sheerest form of bias possible in this discussion. you've been "educated". We get it.

If we keep on this path of not vaccinating children diseases like polio and small pox will return, in forms more transmissible and dangerous than ever. Then you guys will be clawing at "Big Pharma" to get your hands on some vaccinations.

Polio can be cured by massaging. There's stories of women doing this to cure children in times when it was rampant and Big Pharma persecuted them for it. You know, those people who "educated" you?

Info Source: The Power of Plagues by Irwin B. Sherman.
Note: If anyone has a rebuttal, please support it with a credible source of evidentiary information(ie- not Wikipedia or Rense).

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Source

edit on 17-9-2011 by Partisanity because: (no reason given)

"Her methods remained controversial, and a report of a special American Medical Association committee first published in 1944 was very critical of the Kenny approach (Committee, 1969). The National Foundation never embraced her ideas and finally gave them only a grudging endorsement, acknowledging that the "treatment had some basis in fact" (Paul, p. 342). Nevertheless, by the mid-1940's, the Kenny method had become pretty much the standard treatment for polio patients in the United States. Though there does not appear to be scientific research to substantiate any long-term benefits of the method, it was certainly preferable to the traditional approach of immobilization. "
-Your source, not mine. "Big Pharma" was highly critical of her claims, as they should have been. But make no mistake, her methods were adapted into the medical profession, despite not having well substantiated long term health benefits. Still, those evil doctors used her method because it was the best they had. As scientists and people with an ethical burden, they DID THE BEST THEY COULD. Polio was by no means, "cured by massaging" like you claim instead "...Sister Kenny had developed a treatment procedure that involved massage, exercises, and wrapping affected limbs with hot, moist compresses to reduce muscle spasms and the resultant pain. She also stressed the importance of psychotherapy in treatment, insisting children had to be 'willed to move paralyzed limbs' ". This was a therapeutic approach do help the symptoms of polio, not cure it or prevent it.

Also, I'm a student of the University of Toronto, as far as I know they aren't a pharmaceutical company. And any information I've received there can be had from even a cursory search on Google, please don't try to paint me in a bad light. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone, just trying to dispel some misinformation.

Edit: Could you please respond to the other point I presented in my reply?

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
So don't say "it only protects against two of over 100 types of HPV strains!", that's the height of fear mongering and dishonesty. Saying "it prevents 70% of all cervical cancers" and "prevents 90% of all cases of genital warts in 100% of vaccinations" suddenly makes the vaccine sound like a great idea, doesn't it?

Right. Let me just cover this aluminum in sugar and inject it into your blood. It will raise your blood sugar! No harm done, right?

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Yummmmmmy! Aluminummmmmmmmmm!

It's good for us in small amounts!

Originally posted by Tetrarch42

I'm a student of the University of Toronto, as far as I know they aren't a pharmaceutical company.

Hmmm I wonder how connected your instructors are/were to Health Canada, hmm?

And any information I've received there can be had from even a cursory search on Google, please don't try to paint me in a bad light. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone, just trying to dispel some misinformation.

What misinformation? All I see you doing is trying to argue that people should be injecting themselves with arbitrary chemicals along with their otherwise pure vaccinations because it will "stop viral mutation". Pretty sure I don't care what any "professional" tells me. What does not belong in my blood does not belong in my blood. I don't care how many "health practitioners" or bureaucrats would have me believe otherwise. They told me that the Twinrix vacc was safe too, and that landed my sister in the hospital for nearly a month. My trust for health practitioners went out the window with the legitimacy of their "knowledge".

Edit: Could you please respond to the other point I presented in my reply?

edit on 17-9-2011 by Tetrarch42 because: (no reason given)

What?

I didn't make it through all 8 pages, but the thing you guys seem to be missing is that it is a vaccine. It needs some sort of part of the disease you're trying to prevent in the vaccine itself or it's pointless.

Also, many people, like myself, need a vaccine like this to avoid future problems that are job related. I'm currently in school to become a massage therapist. What happens if I don't get this vaccine, I have a client who has this disease, went to the bathroom, didn't wash his/her hands, then touched me? This disease doesn't completely rely on it being sexual contact to infect others. If that scenario I presented above happened and I wasn't protected, I would get the disease and have it for the rest of my life. Think outside the small, 'everything-is-about-sex' box you've thrown yourself in.

Originally posted by Partisanity

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
So don't say "it only protects against two of over 100 types of HPV strains!", that's the height of fear mongering and dishonesty. Saying "it prevents 70% of all cervical cancers" and "prevents 90% of all cases of genital warts in 100% of vaccinations" suddenly makes the vaccine sound like a great idea, doesn't it?

Right. Let me just cover this aluminum in sugar and inject it into your blood. It will raise your blood sugar! No harm done, right?

You've completely ignored my point, and your rebuttal is without merit or support. Now you're just stomping your feet and yelling "listen to me!"

"While vaccines can contain aluminum salts, the quantity of aluminum in a given vaccine is less than 1 mg per dose. Based on observations, this amount is not harmful to humans. Much larger amounts of aluminum salts are ingested and absorbed by the body when a person takes an antacid (for example, 200 to 400 mg of aluminum hydroxide per tablet) without causing appreciable side effects."- Health Services, Quebec. www.msss.gouv.qc.ca...

The worst case scenario with the aluminum in vaccines is temporary redness, mild pain/itching and low grade fever or localized microscopic lesions lasting a maximum of eight years.
So let's break this down, shall we?
Potential Detrimental Side Effects of Aluminum in HPV Vaccine:
-Temporary redness, itching/mild pain, and or/low grade fever.
-Microscopic lesions at injection site for a maximum of eight years.
Potential Detrimental Side Effects of HPV Infection:
-Genital Warts(these might go away for a time, but even when there are none the virus is still transmissible.
-Risk of cervical cancer
-Potential death due to cancer

Which sounds worse to you?

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
So don't say "it only protects against two of over 100 types of HPV strains!", that's the height of fear mongering and dishonesty.

Oh so now the truth is dishonest. Great story, man.

Originally posted by Tetrarch42

Originally posted by Partisanity

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
So don't say "it only protects against two of over 100 types of HPV strains!", that's the height of fear mongering and dishonesty. Saying "it prevents 70% of all cervical cancers" and "prevents 90% of all cases of genital warts in 100% of vaccinations" suddenly makes the vaccine sound like a great idea, doesn't it?

Right. Let me just cover this aluminum in sugar and inject it into your blood. It will raise your blood sugar! No harm done, right?

You've completely ignored my point, and your rebuttal is without merit or support. Now you're just stomping your feet and yelling "listen to me!"

"While vaccines can contain aluminum salts, the quantity of aluminum in a given vaccine is less than 1 mg per dose. Based on observations, this amount is not harmful to humans. Much larger amounts of aluminum salts are ingested and absorbed by the body when a person takes an antacid (for example, 200 to 400 mg of aluminum hydroxide per tablet) without causing appreciable side effects."- Health Services, Quebec. www.msss.gouv.qc.ca...

The worst case scenario with the aluminum in vaccines is temporary redness, mild pain/itching and low grade fever or localized microscopic lesions lasting a maximum of eight years.
So let's break this down, shall we?
Potential Detrimental Side Effects of Aluminum in HPV Vaccine:
-Temporary redness, itching/mild pain, and or/low grade fever.
-Microscopic lesions at injection site for a maximum of eight years.
Potential Detrimental Side Effects of HPV Infection:
-Genital Warts(these might go away for a time, but even when there are none the virus is still transmissible.
-Risk of cervical cancer
-Potential death due to cancer

Which sounds worse to you?

Oohhhh, gotcha. Everything we "know" now about aluminum is 100% conclusive and not worth revisiting ever. You heard it here first at the people pushing you the drugs that will "treat" the long-term effects of multiple "immunizations" that contain aluminum. Why do we need aluminum in the shot again...? Let's not defend something that's clearly in there for reasons that go far beyond your health.

Originally posted by Believer101
I didn't make it through all 8 pages, but the thing you guys seem to be missing is that it is a vaccine. It needs some sort of part of the disease you're trying to prevent in the vaccine itself or it's pointless.

Also, many people, like myself, need a vaccine like this to avoid future problems that are job related. I'm currently in school to become a massage therapist. What happens if I don't get this vaccine, I have a client who has this disease, went to the bathroom, didn't wash his/her hands, then touched me? This disease doesn't completely rely on it being sexual contact to infect others. If that scenario I presented above happened and I wasn't protected, I would get the disease and have it for the rest of my life. Think outside the small, 'everything-is-about-sex' box you've thrown yourself in.

Wash
Your
Hands

Or does that also require a degree?

Originally posted by Partisanity

Originally posted by Tetrarch42

I'm a student of the University of Toronto, as far as I know they aren't a pharmaceutical company.

Hmmm I wonder how connected your instructors are/were to Health Canada, hmm?

And any information I've received there can be had from even a cursory search on Google, please don't try to paint me in a bad light. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone, just trying to dispel some misinformation.

What misinformation? All I see you doing is trying to argue that people should be injecting themselves with arbitrary chemicals along with their otherwise pure vaccinations because it will "stop viral mutation". Pretty sure I don't care what any "professional" tells me. What does not belong in my blood does not belong in my blood. I don't care how many "health practitioners" or bureaucrats would have me believe otherwise. They told me that the Twinrix vacc was safe too, and that landed my sister in the hospital for nearly a month. My trust for health practitioners went out the window with the legitimacy of their "knowledge".

Edit: Could you please respond to the other point I presented in my reply?

edit on 17-9-2011 by Tetrarch42 because: (no reason given)

What?

You're vastly over exaggerating the risk associated with vaccines, while ignoring all the good they do for people. You're likewise making outlandish claims like "massaging cures polio", even though your own information source refuted this; it was massaging along with psychotherapy, hot compresses and exercise to reduce polio side effects, not remove the infection from the body. You also insinuated that the chemicals in vaccines are "arbitrary", they're actually specifically selected and designed for a desired effect, the exact opposite of "arbitrary". If that isn't misinformation, I don't know what is.

Also, you didn't comprehend my post. I never claimed that vaccines stopped viral mutation, in fact I did the opposite. I said that vaccines pressure pathogens to evolve into less lethal versions because it allows their hosts to remain alive longer and thus increases the chances they will transmit the disease to a new host. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I can tell. You claim that vaccines don't belong in your blood, does that mean you think that foreign pathogens like HPV invading your cells and using them to replicate is how your body is supposed to work? If you do, then you and I must have very different ideas about what "belongs" in our bodies, you can keep the creepy-crawly viruses to yourself then.

If you actually don't care what any "professional" tells you, and you won't listen to evidence then your mind is already made up and impossible to change, but I'll at least try.

As for my other points you failed to address what I said regarding herd immunity and vaccines causing reduced virulence in pathogens.

My condolences for your sister, any medical treatment carries risks and I won't claim that people don't become ill, or even die from vaccines. But these cases are few and far in between and certainly not worth abandoning vaccinations. Your urging others to cease vaccinating because of an anecdote regarding your sister's illness is hardly compelling evidence, I'm sorry.

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You're vastly over exaggerating the risk associated with vaccines, while ignoring all the good they do for people.

Tell that to all the parents who lost a child from getting a simple vaccine that was supposed to "protect them from deadly diseases". Or tell that to all the parents who gave birth to an autistic child due to vaccines. Oh, sorry never mind, Merck and GlaxoSmithKline and friends say there is no connection.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
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You're vastly over exaggerating the risk associated with vaccines, while ignoring all the good they do for people.

Tell that to all the parents who lost a child from getting a simple vaccine that was supposed to "protect them from deadly diseases". Or tell that to all the parents who gave birth to an autistic child due to vaccines. Oh, sorry never mind, Merck and GlaxoSmithKline and friends say there is no connection.

As long as you're ready to apologize to all the parents whose children die or have their bodies permanently damage by diseases like polio, measles and smallpox because herd immunity is reduced due to a drop in the population percentage vaccinated.

You guys don't get it do you? You think diseases like smallpox are as rare as they are by chance? The reason we don't sea polio or smallpox outbreaks is because of HERD IMMUNITY, the only way to achieve this is to have a minimum amount of the population vaccinated against these diseases. You know why the government wants(forces) people to get certain vaccines(at least in Canada, for free mind you) before you can attend elementary school? It's not even because they're all nice people looking out for the little man, it's because disease outbreaks are a lot more costly to contain than just getting vaccinated.

As far as the rare cases of vaccines causing autism(which range from circumstantial to completely dishonest and discredited), guess what else causes permanent developmental damage(not to mention death, loss of limbs, organ damage, and tons of tax dollars), diseases like diptheria. Which have begun to have outbreaks in places like Russia causing 200,000 cases and 5,000 deaths. Wanna know why? Because morons aren't vaccinating against it anymore and it's re-establishing itself in populations. Why don't you apologize for those 5,000 needless deaths?

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Washing my hands does me no good when I'm in the middle of giving the client a massage. You wash your hands before and after every client. Doesn't stop me from getting the disease while I'm in the midst massaging my client and potentially scratching my face or near an open surface.