I Was A Deluded 9/11 Truther

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Just because this person has a very strong opinion, a mic, a video camera and is on You Tube, is hardly reason to reconsider

The same exact thing could be said about 99% of what some Truthers present as Evidence if not more so. Have you ever really looked at most of it objectively?

I'm not sure I should dignify this thread with a responce, of course the people who died are important but so is truth, calling yourself or others deluded because they have the balls to say "I don't buy that passports can survive things that black boxes can't" or "insert the 50 other things wrong with the official story here" is frankly another way of telling people to shut up. no one is going to do that.

as for the later problem in OP's post, if you don't know about the cia's involvment with said group back in the 80's before they turned on their handlers I suggest you start doing some homework. there are links to everything your doubting. its not that they don' exist, its who bought the group together into existance in the first place.

believe what you want because 10 years of research is hardly a delusion.

reply to post by DaemusAlphae


So, Did Fox or CNN go over to England, and hand the muslim 9/11 protesters signs saying " Islam will dominate" and "Down with the west" and "Death to all infidels"? you seem to know all the facts in your "Real world".

I love armchair engineers and paranoid tin foil wearing nuts... you guys make me laugh.


P.S.


JORDAN IS PALESTINE! that is all

reply to post by SteveR

Can you then explain all the the strange coincidences regarding the attacks? Like for example stand down, reports how building 7 were to be demolished and so on?

reply to post by DBCooper71


Unless of course their perceptible errors were intentional and they want us (and other citizens around the globe) to come to despise our/their own governments by seeing them for what they are...which would render us more willing (in theory) to submit to the emergence of a global power. Perhaps the point all along was to offer us a glimpse into the depth of corruption on the part of our gov't and others worldwide...so that we might be open to new players on the scene.

reply to post by XplanetX

If he somehow manages to become POTUS you will see a new 9/11 investigation.

Ok people Ron Paul is 100% honest on everything, but 9/11, I know this because I saw a brief clip once were he answered that he has too much on his plate and then to try and change 9/11 too, it's just too much too handle.
He knows that 9/11 is the basis for the stupidity of the of the current foreign policy of empire building and world policeman. If he could overthrow the very foundation of that, he will change the world, it may sound crazy but....

September 7th, 2011:

Shadow Government Officials leak "Information" about supposed terrorist attacks to be occurring on September 11th as an "Anniversary Attack" by "Al Quaeda" to assess the public perception of the War on Terror, and their further susceptibility to false flag operations as a means of behaviour modification.


September 10th, 2011:

Shadow Government information gathering dragnets on the internet reveal the public's lack of support for further false flag attacks as regards to their Credibility, Believability, and Suspicion that the Shadow Government is merely using the September Attacks as a form of manipulation to further their agenda.

The Decision is made at that time not to carry out the False Flag planned for September 11th, as public support would likely backfire and further support the growing dissatisfaction of the American and Global populous against the Shadowy Government and Banking establishments.

September 11th, 2011:

Further analysis of public opinion and sophisticated Super Computer Assisted behaviour modelling brings the Shadow Government agencies to the conclusion that the False flag should be delayed for exactly one year, and further attempts to mould popular opinion to be more sympathetic with the official party line should be carried out by their Online Disinformation and Psychological Manipulation Operations.

September 12th, 2011:

5 Different threads cowtowing the official story on 9/11 are posted on Above Top Secret, using the same manipulation tactics of the past decade, but the Shadow Government Agencies sees increasing hostility to the Subtle forms of psychological manipulation, and increasing support for a revolution against the Banking and Shadow Government establishment.

September 13th, 2011:

Efforts at manipulation are increased in frequency in the vain hopes that the public still has brains that resemble Silly-Putty.

September 14th, 2011:

The public looks the Pyramid of Power directly in the Eye of Providence.

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The Antonym of Truth is a Lie...Plain and Simple

Truth n, plural truths
1. Truthfulness or Honesty
2.The real state of things : FACT
3. The body of real things or facts : ACTUALITY
4.Agreement with fact or reality

COINTELPRO is alive and well here on ATS.

I also like this new Sock Puppet integrated Support System aka SPiSS, which attempts to collectively demean and discredit the bad "Truthers" here on ATS by ganging up on them in numbers.

It's blatantly obvious and pretty hilarious !



Once again, I don't waste time in PI$$ING about the so called 911 evidence any longer.
There are plenty of credible sources as in college Physics professors and professional Architects and Structural Engineers out there already who can tell you why this isn't right.....or the Truth.

There's no need in rehashing the obvious and reinventing the wheel.

Above and beyond the events of 911 , Let's look at the facts of today that have a transpired as a result.

With Russian & British alliances, we defeated both the German western front and the entire Japanese military in 4 years (1941-1945) ?

The Taliban are only armed with small arms and haven't nary a single tank or aircraft in which to combat us with ?

They have to resort to bombings using our own weaponry stashed in a stolen truck in which to kill our troops ?

We have been at war with these so called terrorists for ten years now and we haven't yet defeated them ?

Now We've successfully bankrupted this nation. We've millions homeless and unemployed, collapsing infrastructure and we are still spending BILLIONS combating them ?

Meanwhile we have M4 Assault Rifles, M1 Abrahams Tanks, A10 Attack Aircraft. high tech surveillance drones Satellites ....and the list goes on...

Why are we still battling these Towelheads then ?

Are they (The Taliban) really causing that much of a threat to our Armed Forces or are we merely there in Afghanistan for the long haul.
As in an occupation in order to gain access to their valuable resources and to continue harvesting their abundant Opium ?

Answer me this ....Why do we have a world wide epidemic of Heroin addiction since we've occupied the world's leading producer of Opium then ?

If you don't see the obvious then that makes you a believer in the opposite to the Truth which translates into a LIE and subsequently makes you All LIARS!

Plain and Simple.

Originally posted by nh_ee

Once again, I don't waste time in PI$$ING about the so called 911 evidence any longer.
There are plenty of credible sources as in college Physics professors and professional Architects and Structural Engineers out there already who can tell you why this isn't right.....or the Truth.

So what you're saying is that you're willing to completely disregard that there is a complete lack of evidence supporting any of the 911 conspiracy theories and instead rely solely on arguments from authority.

If you're basing your outlook on a logical fallacy how do you expect to be taken seriously? Why refer to yourself or your position as a matter of "truth" when all you really want in vindication of your preconceived notions?

This is the crap they want you obsessed about: Who did it? Was it the government, was it Terrorists?

If you are debating this, you lose. The only thing that matters is that THE GOVERNMENT KNEW ABOUT IT, REGARDLESS. They played the world- and they got the conspiracy people working on the pointless stuff. Whether it was an inside job or terrorists is NOTHING. The fact that they knew about it beforehand is the real deal, and they didn't care to stop it or protect they're own people.

Edit: This all happened before, it was called Pearl Harbor. Any History teacher that says History never repeats itself should be fired.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by randyvs

 

Nope, never was a "Truther". You want a real truth? People who run the 9/11 conspiracy sites(the main ones) and the people who made the loose change film and other like it, have profited off lies and fallacies in the name of making money off of a tragic event.

This is not only not true it's an out and out lie Talk about being desperate!

I knew those three young men, Korey, Dylan and Avery (through my daughter) while in upstate NY. They had NO idea that their 'film' was going to be such a huge FREE internet success. That was NOT their motive. Not at all. They just happen to make a video that millions of people resonated with. Did they make money subsequently? You bet. Why the hell not? Look at all the money Halliburton made (and STILL making)


Listen, if you no longer support the Truth Movement, that's fine. We won't even notice your absence but for the sake of being an up-right member of the human race, just stop making up stories to fit your script! It doesn't work like that!

Is it so hard to belive that even though Bin Laden was trained by the CIA to fight Russia, then after decades of extensive occupation and bombing of the Middle East they got pissed off. Do you guys really not think there are people in the Middle East that have hated America for a long time.

reply to post by traditionaldrummer

So what you're saying is that you're willing to completely disregard that there is a complete lack of evidence supporting any of the 911 conspiracy theories and instead rely solely on arguments from authority.

This coming from someone who supports the Official Story *BECAUSE* of appeals to authority, despite the fact that there is *NO* Evidence for the Official Story.

None... Nada, ZIP, Zilch, Zero.

There is *NO EVIDENCE FOR THE OFFICIAL STORY*

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

Construction plans could've been delayed, no?

Once the contract is signed, the builders are going to get their money so you might as well get the finished product.

You're probably right. But I was just putting that out there in case someone was going to come back with "the builders had to finish building the complex" even though four of existing buildings (circa 1973) remained virtually empty in 1987 (when they opened the door to WTC 7)

That building WTC 7 was designed or modified to accommodate those federal, state and international banking offices. Their security was MUCH greater than the other buildings (or so I've read).

So thinking that WTC 7 was designed or modified with denotative devices for an extreme emergency so to destroy classified information immediately is very very plausible.
I think we'd be amazed how Stanley Kubrick and James Bond-ish our world really is!

Originally posted by Submarines
reply to post by SteveR

 

S and F for you!

You took the words right out of my mouth when you talked about this movement taking away from those who were killed and their families, as well as wrongly places blame.

The movement is a dangerous because it tries to shift focus on those who hate us and want us dead. What sense does that make? None at all!

I am also wondering if people have ever thought...that the supposed truth that the Cia (TPTB) in our own country conspired to have us attacked etc....well those rumors were started by the real terrorists (who are Middle Eastern) and their (TPTB)...in order to divert attention away from them...away from the real truth..so that they can continue to deceive us.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
This coming from someone who supports the Official Story *BECAUSE* of appeals to authority, despite the fact that there is *NO* Evidence for the Official Story.

None... Nada, ZIP, Zilch, Zero.

There is *NO EVIDENCE FOR THE OFFICIAL STORY*

There is no such thing as an "official story". But if there was, I have given you no indication that I support it, nor that I have done so for fallacious reasons. However, there is much more evidence in support of the common understanding of 9/11 than any of the various conspiracy theories.

The point is that conspiracy theorist are bringing forth claims that they cannot support with any actual evidence and seem to rely solely on a number of fallacies to make them seem plausible. If people wish to operate that way it's their prerogative, though they should not be surprised when called out for it.

Originally posted by JustinSee


Edit: This all happened before, it was called Pearl Harbor. Any History teacher that says History never repeats itself should be fired.

edit on 14-9-2011 by JustinSee because: (no reason given)

I think 'history' had a little detour before it fully encircled because we had the Tonkin Gulf lie.....I mean, incident, in between!!

It´s just desperation.

Probably about 20% of Americans believe the silly and impossible official 9/11 fables and perhaps as many as 2% have actually read those ludicrous fables. It´s purely faith-based, not worth discussing actually.