I Was A Deluded 9/11 Truther

reply to post by randyvs


Nope, never was a "Truther". You want a real truth? People who run the 9/11 conspiracy sites(the main ones) and the people who made the loose change film and other like it, have profited off lies and fallacies in the name of making money off of a tragic event.

Just like ever good conspiracy, just follow the money.

As for me? I believe in the blow-back and that the terrorist had a reason to attack us other than "hate our freedoms". I believe that 9/11 wasn't an inside job, but politicians have used it to twist our fears to go to war.

The American Government doesn't need "false flags" to go to war, just look at how Obama conducted his little wars with Libya and such. Hell they wouldn't have even needed to kill 1 person to go to war, they could have just lied and said a boat sunk near the coast and we need to send troops en.wikipedia.org...

Or could have said we need to go to send troops in order to save the good democracy thinking people
en.wikipedia.org...

Or just protect someone in general
en.wikipedia.org...

The government has been caught in many different real lies, and people simply forget or just don't care.

Originally posted by DBCooper71
If the evidence is so overwhelming, that the bush regime committed 9/11, then why doesn't your beloved Ron Paul back you up.

If he somehow manages to become POTUS you will see a new 9/11 investigation.

He needs to keep his credibility to be a chance, the MSM would shoot him down in a heartbeat if he started speaking the truth about 9/11.

Originally posted by SteveR
President Bush and his Zionist buddies conspired to murder 3000 of their own people for political gain. There are no Al Qaeda or Islamic fundamentalists, just fictional bogeymen cooked up by CIA operatives.

"The search for truth and knowledge is one of the finest attributes of a man, though often it is most loudly voiced by those who strive for it the least." -- Albert Einstein

Fixed it for you, took out all the lies and disinfo, next.

Negative S&F, for claiming to look for truth while plainly ignoring it.

reply to post by zerozero00


First, by no means am I trying to debunk anything because that would imply I, myself, am an expert on this subject. However, after seeing the pictures from the thread you posted I noticed all of those buildings were simply on fire and none experienced any real structural damage like that of the WTC towers. Now, here me out, I know this is going to sound like a simplified version of what happen as it is not the same material, but if you ask me physics has no bias.
I'm sure you have played the game Jenga at least once in your lifetime, can you tell me what happens when you take away enough pieces in the middle of the block structure? Why is it so crazy to think that a hole covering almost 6 floors blasted directly through a building would cause it to fall? How long would you expect a building to stand if it wasn't structural sound and was left with only a small percentage of it structure left to support tons of steel?
The real conspiracy here, if you ask me, is that the government blatantly knew of the threats imposed on the United States, but did nothing in their power to stop it.

Originally posted by DaemusAlphae
You sir are lost, and you have the AUDACITY to say that the "truth" movement is dangerous?! Please, please, please, please seek help.

It is dangerous, because eventually someone's going to snap and innocent people are going to get hurt.

Ironic that it's the "truth" movement that contains the most disinformation and lies.

I expect no less from soft people who have no real world experience. When your only worldly experience comes from TV and video games, a delusional world view is expected. Experiencing violence and suffering has a way of bringing reality into sharp focus. Understanding - in a visceral way - the cruelty and ruthlessness of other human beings - can only be achieved through first hand experience. I wouldn't expect a person like yourself to know what I am talking about, nor would I expect you to grasp the niceties of American geopolitics, and its history around the world.

I would recommend some reading for you, but I fear it would be an exercise in futility; as you've made your philosophical bed, you may now lie in it.

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by DBCooper71
If the evidence is so overwhelming, that the bush regime committed 9/11, then why doesn't your beloved Ron Paul back you up.

If he somehow manages to become POTUS you will see a new 9/11 investigation.

He needs to keep his credibility to be a chance, the MSM would shoot him down in a heartbeat if he started speaking the truth about 9/11.

Or in other word's he's a typical politician....a liar.

Originally posted by DBCooper71

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by DBCooper71
If the evidence is so overwhelming, that the bush regime committed 9/11, then why doesn't your beloved Ron Paul back you up.

If he somehow manages to become POTUS you will see a new 9/11 investigation.

He needs to keep his credibility to be a chance, the MSM would shoot him down in a heartbeat if he started speaking the truth about 9/11.

Or in other word's he's a liar.

'Shrewd' is the word that you are looking for.

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze


I can probably answer most of these question’s or direct you towards place’s where you will find the real answers. This is the problem i was talking about, ignorance.

1) Osama Bin Laden's extensive connections with the CIA and Mossad.

I can direct you to many well established journalists and authors who will quickly debunk such theories. The source of this belief comes from revisionist history, if you go and reads the likes of Steve Coll and Lawrence Right these theories about Bin Laden working for the CIA are quickly debunked. The entire claim that Bin Laden worked for the CIA is a total fabrication, I have yet to find any book by a mainstream journalist that will concede that Bin Laden worked for the CIA. The only place you will find such claims is form the conspiracy community.

2) Why did the CIA see Bin Laden on Dialysis before and after the 9/11 attacks?

Well Bin Laden was never on dialysis, the source of that claim comes from a French magazine and has since been well debunked. How anyone can think that the CIA would go visit him in a Dubai hospital just before 9/11 if they were in on it is beyond me. All you have to do is Google it “Bin Laden not on dialysis”.

3) Benjamin Netanyahu's comment about the 9/11 attacks being "good" for Israel.

This is the anti-Zionist in you coming out, what was it the CIA or Mossad?. The comment is out of contest, it’s just a short article that does not have a transcript of the full speech. In any case this proves nothing, it might have been good for Israel, doesn’t mean anything really it’s just circumstantial.

4) Why were all the hijacked planes flying around in circles for over an hour without any aerial intervention by the military?

I think I am right in saying there were something like 6 or 8 fighters covering the sky’s of America that day, probably not unusual. Remember before 9/11 America never had any issue with the hijacking of aircraft, air security was not what it is today. Once the planes were hitting the towers the FAA had tens of suspect hijacked aircraft, there was mass confusion. Many of the fighters went the wrong way because it had always been assumed that any attack would come from that direction, others were directed to escort other aircraft. The chaos of that day is the reason it took over an hour, this is evidence of negligence of the behalf of the FAA and the military, it is not evidence of a conspiracy.

If you actually bother to go look somewhere other than the conspiracy and revisionist literature for information regarding 9/11, you would probably start to understand that the only grand conspiracy theory is the official story itself. What actually happened that day, the days leading up to that day and the days following is a spectacular real conspiracy in itself, the official story is enough of a conspiracy without these offensive distractions.

Originally posted by Arrrr
reply to post by zerozero00

 

First, by no means am I trying to debunk anything because that would imply I, myself, am an expert on this subject. However, after seeing the pictures from the thread you posted I noticed all of those buildings were simply on fire and none experienced any real structural damage like that of the WTC towers. Now, here me out, I know this is going to sound like a simplified version of what happen as it is not the same material, but if you ask me physics has no bias.
I'm sure you have played the game Jenga at least once in your lifetime, can you tell me what happens when you take away enough pieces in the middle of the block structure? Why is it so crazy to think that a hole covering almost 6 floors blasted directly through a building would cause it to fall? How long would you expect a building to stand if it wasn't structural sound and was left with only a small percentage of it structure left to support tons of steel?
The real conspiracy here, if you ask me, is that the government blatantly knew of the threats imposed on the United States, but did nothing in their power to stop it.

I like your tone my friend

Ok, While I have played Jenga once or twice with my childen in the past, I have total knowledge that buildings are not buit with them or designed in anyway shape or form like a Jenga tower....so it is not really a good comparison

But if your interested in this building then can I point you to wtc7.net...

Have look around this site, its got some amazing facts about this building

Tenant Square Feet Floor Industry Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 GRND,1-6,13,18-46 Financial Institution IRS Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government C.I.A. N/A N/A Government American Express Bank International 106,117 7,8,13 Financial Institution Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10,13,26,27 Financial Institution Provident Financial Management 9,000 7,13 Financial Institution ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19-21 [Insurance] First State Management Group, Inc 4,000 21 Insurance Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institution NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11,12,13 Government Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt 45,815 23 Government

Do you think any of the above would be in a building made like a Jenga tower?

I love Edward Current's parody videos though I had no idea he was a "truther" at any point. It's good to know he began taking a rational look at 9/11.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories helped push me into skepticism and I'm better off for it. Any thread or website on 9/11 conspiracies is a gold mine of fallacies, bad arguments and poor critical thinking skills. It can also, as is demonstrated in the video, demonstrate to us just how easily we can be seduced by complete and utter nonsense.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

Originally posted by DaemusAlphae

Oh and by the way, we are not under any kind of threat from "Islamic radicalism" that is just regurgitated rubbish that you heard from FOX or CNN.

wow..just wow. Are you seriously denying there is any threat from radical islamists? Just...WOW...i am speechless. When are you moving to Tehran?

Originally posted by Arrrr
reply to post by zerozero00

 

First, by no means am I trying to debunk anything because that would imply I, myself, am an expert on this subject. However, after seeing the pictures from the thread you posted I noticed all of those buildings were simply on fire and none experienced any real structural damage like that of the WTC towers. Now, here me out, I know this is going to sound like a simplified version of what happen as it is not the same material, but if you ask me physics has no bias.
I'm sure you have played the game Jenga at least once in your lifetime, can you tell me what happens when you take away enough pieces in the middle of the block structure? Why is it so crazy to think that a hole covering almost 6 floors blasted directly through a building would cause it to fall? How long would you expect a building to stand if it wasn't structural sound and was left with only a small percentage of it structure left to support tons of steel?
The real conspiracy here, if you ask me, is that the government blatantly knew of the threats imposed on the United States, but did nothing in their power to stop it.

Ditto. They were obviously aware a thread had been made, but were too naive and egotistical to believe someone could actually pull it off, so they blew it off. We had our guard down due to our own false sense of invincibility. Guess they showed us, but it was only through this fluke, this attitude of ours, that they were able to pull it off. Anyway. We don't have our guard down anymore.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting

Originally posted by Arrrr
reply to post by zerozero00

 

First, by no means am I trying to debunk anything because that would imply I, myself, am an expert on this subject. However, after seeing the pictures from the thread you posted I noticed all of those buildings were simply on fire and none experienced any real structural damage like that of the WTC towers. Now, here me out, I know this is going to sound like a simplified version of what happen as it is not the same material, but if you ask me physics has no bias.
I'm sure you have played the game Jenga at least once in your lifetime, can you tell me what happens when you take away enough pieces in the middle of the block structure? Why is it so crazy to think that a hole covering almost 6 floors blasted directly through a building would cause it to fall? How long would you expect a building to stand if it wasn't structural sound and was left with only a small percentage of it structure left to support tons of steel?
The real conspiracy here, if you ask me, is that the government blatantly knew of the threats imposed on the United States, but did nothing in their power to stop it.

Ditto. They were obviously aware a thread had been made, but were too naive and egotistical to believe someone could actually pull it off, so they blew it off. We had our guard down due to our own false sense of invincibility. Guess they showed us, but it was only through this fluke, this attitude of ours, that they were able to pull it off. Anyway. We don't have our guard down anymore.


Your 'guard' will be sticking his hands where the sun don't shine.

Loss of freedom's ------> TSA at every check point.

Enjoy.

reply to post by Klassified


It is hard to believe that people would believe the words of a few discreditable people ,could not be conceivable of the twisting of tragedies, facts, science, and truth in order to con people and profit. Yet believe that the thousands if not millions of creditable people somehow are - Donovan Lewis

Couldn't of been that much of a "Truther" if this video has changed you mind? baaaaa sheep

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


So well put. It's ashame they wil label you as a shill. Whenever the logic is too stacked against them, the source becomes a shill.

reply to post by XplanetX

Your 'guard' will be sticking his hands where the sun don't shine.

Loss of freedom's ------> TSA at every check point

Yes. These monsters have put us in the unfortunate position of having to take drastic measures to protect ourselves. It is indeed an inconvenience.