Enough with the dishonest behaviour Truthers - I'm calling you out.

Captainnotsoobvious,

please listen to Bill Cooper. The man who was shot and killed a short time after he gave this interview, in which he predicted 9/11 and even pointed out Osama Bin Laden as the scapegoat who would fall victim to those who actually planned the attacks:

www.youtube.com...

Or watch the owner of the world trade center complex ( who by the way made millions of insurance money from the whole thing ) say they decided to "PULL" building 7 ( since you uploaded a movie of it I expect you to know what pulling a building means ):

www.youtube.com...

And if you still aren't really sure about us "Thruthers" please watch Aaron Russo telling about his dear friend Nick Rockefeller and his obsession with an attack on American soil:

www.youtube.com...

Not only the events on 9/11 itself need to be properly investigated by you, the events before and after are atleast as convincing that a terrible conspiracy has been put on us by TPTB.

Wake Up...

Captain, did you work for the Bush administration? Do you currently work for the federal government?

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


To me, finding paper documents in fires that disintegrate airplanes, steel and human bodies is a leap of faith. If anything, it's not about an alternative conspiracy (whether the conspiracy is 19 guys, government agents, or some other group), it's about a decent investigation.

Originally posted by Swills

I've always enjoyed this video

I do believe that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition and didn't collapse from a fire or debris.
But I must say that this video here is not really credible, isn't it possible that she is standing in front of a green screen and that they have added footage that was shot earlier? It would be a very plausible explanation.

reply to post by WarminIndy


People who believe thier own lies are sometimes the most convincing of all and can become the most dangerous as a result.

I'm not American but being human it still makes my blood boil over the fact that thousands of everyday people and hundreds of rescue workers died that day as a result of a Foreign attack. And whether these truthers realise it or believe it or not, I believe they're spitting in the eye of every single one of those people who died just by accepting this crap about these victims own government being behind it or knowing it was going to happen and doing nothing to stop it.
I'll ask the truthers this. If you knew in advance that your country was going to be attacked would you pick up a rifle and be prepared to defend it? If you would don't you think that someone in the "know" would do the same thing?

Do you honesly believe that not one person high up in the government would want to stop it? And do you honestly believe that not one person high up in the government would try to stop their own government if it was planned by that government?

If it was planned it would have been one huge operation which means alot of people had to have been involved so what are the chances of not one person in the U.S government trying to stop it?

The middle eastern countries have been funding terrorist for years and the U.S has sufferd as a result of it. If the U.S wanted to go to war against the middle east just for oil or a new world order it already had legit reasons to do it it didn't need to murder thousands of its own people for Gods sake.

reply to post by Sphota

To me, finding paper documents in fires that disintegrate airplanes, steel and human bodies is a leap of faith.

When did that happen? Remains of the airplanes, "steel" and human bodies survived at all the sites.

Yes, hundreds of thousands of pieces of bodies that would fit inside a test tube.

Originally posted by steveknows
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

People who believe thier own lies are sometimes the most convincing of all and can become the most dangerous as a result.

I'm not American but being human it still makes my blood boil over the fact that thousands of everyday people and hundreds of rescue workers died that day as a result of a Foreign attack. And whether these truthers realise it or believe it, I believe they're spitting in the eye of everyone of those people who died just by accepting this crap about thier own government being behind it or knowing it was going to happen and doing nothing to stop it.
I'll ask the truthers this. If you knew in advance that your country was going to be attacked would you pick up a rifle and be prepared to defend it? If you would don't you think that someone in the "know" would do the same thing?

Do you honesly believe that not one person high up in the government would want to stop it? And do you honestly believe that not one person high up in the government would try to stop their own government if it was planned by that government?

If it was planned it would have been one huge operation which means alot of people had to have been involved so what are the chances of not one person in the U.S government trying to stop it?

The middle eastern countries have been funding terrorist for years and the U.S has sufferd as a result of it. If the U.S wanted to go to war against the middle east just for oil or a new world order it already had legit reasons to do it it didn't need to murder thousands of its own people for Gods sake.

edit on 13-9-2011 by steveknows because: (no reason given)

Exactly, which is why I question them about the German, French, British and every other nation that had reporters there that day who sent the live video out on their own news services. I think some Americans tend to be so American-centric that they believe we are the only ones with correspondents in other parts of the world. My goodness, just watch BBC News and you will always see the "New York Correspondent" for the BBC and it is always a British reporter. Even the Mexican television channels like Telemundo has reporters live in New York. If this was a media conspiracy, that means the reporters from all of those other countries were involved and I really don't think the BBC would allow that.

Wait a minute though, these "truthers" all believe the Crown and the States are united by the Illuminati...yeah, tell that to the average British television viewer who has to pay their tv license to watch the BBC News anyway.

Anyway, if this were a conspiracy to show holograms...which is amazing because it is impossible due to the amount of energy it would take to do so, then that means countries who really didn't like us were also involved. Yet not one reporter anywhere in the world said what they were showing live was really a hologram.

The amount of effort and energy and resources to pull this off would be staggering.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Sphota

 

To me, finding paper documents in fires that disintegrate airplanes, steel and human bodies is a leap of faith.

When did that happen? Remains of the airplanes, "steel" and human bodies survived at all the sites.

True. I watched an interview with the NYFD and they tallked about recovering bodies and the flm clips showed it and showed plain wreckage and also when you see the film clips of when the towers came down there's paper everywhere. paper can survive an inferno like that as the hot air currents blow it out of the building.

Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by steveknows
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

People who believe thier own lies are sometimes the most convincing of all and can become the most dangerous as a result.

I'm not American but being human it still makes my blood boil over the fact that thousands of everyday people and hundreds of rescue workers died that day as a result of a Foreign attack. And whether these truthers realise it or believe it, I believe they're spitting in the eye of everyone of those people who died just by accepting this crap about thier own government being behind it or knowing it was going to happen and doing nothing to stop it.
I'll ask the truthers this. If you knew in advance that your country was going to be attacked would you pick up a rifle and be prepared to defend it? If you would don't you think that someone in the "know" would do the same thing?

Do you honesly believe that not one person high up in the government would want to stop it? And do you honestly believe that not one person high up in the government would try to stop their own government if it was planned by that government?

If it was planned it would have been one huge operation which means alot of people had to have been involved so what are the chances of not one person in the U.S government trying to stop it?

The middle eastern countries have been funding terrorist for years and the U.S has sufferd as a result of it. If the U.S wanted to go to war against the middle east just for oil or a new world order it already had legit reasons to do it it didn't need to murder thousands of its own people for Gods sake.

edit on 13-9-2011 by steveknows because: (no reason given)

Exactly, which is why I question them about the German, French, British and every other nation that had reporters there that day who sent the live video out on their own news services. I think some Americans tend to be so American-centric that they believe we are the only ones with correspondents in other parts of the world. My goodness, just watch BBC News and you will always see the "New York Correspondent" for the BBC and it is always a British reporter. Even the Mexican television channels like Telemundo has reporters live in New York. If this was a media conspiracy, that means the reporters from all of those other countries were involved and I really don't think the BBC would allow that.

Wait a minute though, these "truthers" all believe the Crown and the States are united by the Illuminati...yeah, tell that to the average British television viewer who has to pay their tv license to watch the BBC News anyway.

Anyway, if this were a conspiracy to show holograms...which is amazing because it is impossible due to the amount of energy it would take to do so, then that means countries who really didn't like us were also involved. Yet not one reporter anywhere in the world said what they were showing live was really a hologram.

The amount of effort and energy and resources to pull this off would be staggering.

Haha that's right the Brits do have to pay a TV licence fee don't they

. But what you say is right. I'm Australian and I watched it all unfold live in my living room and Australia is almost as far away from the U.S as you can get. It would have had to have been a massive co-ordinated and co-operative operation from every foreign correspondent based in New York and that would have meant that they were told to go along with it from their own media. Every single one from all over the world.

So the news correspondents in the 60's and 70's brought the Vietnam war into our living room and the "truth" along with it by way of filmed, edited and delayed news real and that's acceptable and is fact the whole world got to see it for themsleves. But we get real time live news broadcast on the spot and somehow we're all dupped except for the truthers because they really know what went on? Amazing.

Once again...words..."these truthers" how sanctimonious can people be...we are people with opinions that just don't happen to agree with yours...simple as that....you two should u2u each other and see how well your relationship forms...you say you want proof and answers....but all you can do is ridicule people for their opinions...why not show proof that these people that they say were flying the planes were actually flying them...

maybe prove that they were actually al qaeda members ....proof please....

why not prove that the planes did bring down the buildings....because if you could you would do a better job than NIST

why not prove...come on...prove that fires brought down the structure...cause yet again you would do a better job than nist did...as EVERY test they tried showed that the component testing held up....

Why not prove the the body they threw in the ocean was actually Bin Laden....come on prove it....

why not prove that not a single government agency of anykind from say Israel Or the States was NOT involved...come on prove it...

Why not prove that the body of John O'Neil the FBI investigating the Al Qaeda connection was not placed in the building in a stairwell...as he was one of ONLY 12 intact bodies found in the towers...go ahead prove it....

why not prove that the black boxes from the aircraft were no where to be found .....go ahead prove it....

why not prove that the dancing Israelis were not let off by Michael Chertoff actually were not anything but sympathic Israelis concerned with the attacks and just casual observers....go ahead prove it please...

go ahead and prove without a doubt any one of those things.....

go ahead and prove that hillard flight school had no dealings with the government and illegal CIA drugs flights....go ahead...be my gueast...prove it....

you see....same tactics being used by you.....feels good no...but will i lower myself to derogatory remarks about people for their opinions...nope....you know why....because that is the sign of ignorance.

and frankly this site is about denying ignorance.

now a challenge to people in this hate truthers thread...go into this thread and try your luck...and actually...maybe...possibly get some good feed back

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i also notice in here...that not even the regular six debunkers are coming in here...you know why...because they know that this is just a hate thread....
which now gives me a lot more respect for them...

was this all a rant....nope...it was TRUTH.

Another truth to people in here...check the registration dates of the few people slinging insults in here....

Registered: August 11, 2011
Registered: August 18, 2011
Registered: August 15, 2011
Registered: July 19, 2011

TRUTH

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

it's most likely a thermate charge that went off due to the plane impact.

So how do you set off charges after a plane hits?
So how do you protect charges from a plane hit?

You forget that every piece large and small was searched at the landfill. They did not want to overlook any body remains.
Remains of explosives would have been found.

first, you're picking on the "how", when it is irrelevant to the fact of molten steel. molten steel could only be caused by something outside of the OS theory.

but to answer your questions:

it could have been rigged with the charges on each floor all rigged together, then the floors all connected to each other via a "main line". the main line would be put in an area where it wouldn't be damaged by the plane impact, and since the approximate impact zone of the planes could be known beforehand, explosives wouldn't have been put at higher levels.

the charges wouldn't exactly have to be protected, because they would be below, but the photo i showed has a stream of molten steel coming from a possible thermate charge that was triggered by the impact.

You forget that every piece large and small was searched at the landfill.

really?

The pace of the steel's removal was very rapid, even in the first weeks after the attack. By September 29, 130,000 tons of debris -- most of it apparently steel -- had been removed.

Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage.

911research.wtc7.net...

all the steel and debris was carted away very quickly, most without being examined. also, NIST didn't even CHECK for explosives.

as for actual evidence of explosives. iron-rich spheres were found in the dust, which indicates a thermitic reaction, also sulfur in the steel was found, which is characteristic of thermate. the diagonal cuts found on many of the columns all at the same angle is a demolition technique.

need i say more?

ummmm

www.citizeninvestigationteam.com...

i suppose you think that site is dishonest too?

reply to post by plube


I do have proof the planes brought the towers down. My own eyes. Also my own eyes tells me that the floors where the planes hit were burning for some time before the towers came down so again my common sense tells me that what you couldn't see from the outside was thie inside of the towers burning down through the floors.

And you don't own ATS we can say what we like and we're not being any more derogative than the truthers. Perhaps what might be offensive is the pure logic.

Originally posted by JPhish
ummmm

www.citizeninvestigationteam.com...

i suppose you think that site is dishonest too?

Even Truthers think that site is dishonest.

Originally posted by plube
now a challenge to people in this hate truthers thread...go into this thread and try your luck...and actually...maybe...possibly get some good feed back

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i also notice in here...that not even the regular six debunkers are coming in here...you know why...because they know that this is just a hate thread....
which now gives me a lot more respect for them...

was this all a rant....nope...it was TRUTH.

Another truth to people in here...check the registration dates of the few people slinging insults in here....

Registered: August 11, 2011
Registered: August 18, 2011
Registered: August 15, 2011
Registered: July 19, 2011

TRUTH

edit on 013030p://f47Tuesday by plube because: (no reason given)

edit on 013030p://f54Tuesday by plube because: truth

I think plube is blocula.

Wow.. a bunch of new pages since I woke up.

Let me basically analyses this post since I last posted.

OS'ers: Your stupid. Your lying. It's already been debunked. Your crazy. Your imagining things. I believe Fox news.


You can't change someones mind when its already made up. I suggest those who do not believe the official story, myself included just move along. It would be better for us to pool our energy into finding new information and scrutinizing the already available info. This thread is a waste of energy.

reply to post by steveknows


lmao off you call that proof....you saw planes hit the building...so did i M8....and i would bet so did 99.99% of people seeking the truth...is that all you can say...Is it....really....come on your pretty quick to ridicule...i would expect you would have some kind of evidence...why not go into my thread on my signature and be brave and learn about your Zionist Aussie mates.....

Fifty days before 9/11, Larry Silverstein's Silverstein Properties and Frank Lowy's Westfield America secured a 99-year lease on World Trade Center Buildings One, Two, Four and Five. Silverstein already owned Building Seven. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey handed over control of the World Trade Center to Silverstein and Lowy on July 24, 2001. Lowy leased the shopping concourse area called the Mall at the World Trade
Center, made up of approximately 427,000 square feet of retail floor space. Silverstein and Westfield America insured the complex for $3.55 billion, but after the attacks of September 11 lodged a claim for $7.1 billion on the premise that each plane collision constituted a separate act of terrorism, doubling the payout. Most people know about "Lucky" Larry Silverstein's part in 9/11 and his dubious connections to Binyamin Netanyahu et al, but not much has been reported on Lowy, so let's have a look.

so keep on going and see where it leads...i have pointed and you will most likely choose not to follow as you seen it with your own eyes...so therefore that is the only possible senario...planes hit...flames insued...Al Qaeda did it.

Because Ehud Barak said so from london shortly after the attacks in a pre prepare speech....



Wham....but we should not question this because you saw it with your own eyes....OMG.

and as i said...flight school shall we look


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c155cecf3eea.jpg[/atsimg]

oh my look
CAPTION: Florida Gov. Jeb Bush With The "Discover Air" Family
One of Discover's Planes Was Seized With 30lbs Of Heroin Aboard


lmao....but we should ignore things cause you did afterall see things with your own eyes...along with all the other truthers who have the courage to stand up and fight for whats right.....but sometimes it seems not worth it as we are fighting a tough cause only to get called things by the same people we fight for....but such is life....you choose to live in the shade of a mushroom...and i choose to head for the light.

but that is a choice i freely make without trying to call you names for what you believe

Originally posted by steveknows
reply to post by plube

 

I do have proof the planes brought the towers down. My own eyes. Also my own eyes tells me that the floors where the planes hit were burning for some time before the towers came down so again my common sense tells me that what you couldn't see from the outside was thie inside of the towers burning down through the floors.

And you don't own ATS we can say what we like and we're not being any more derogative than the truthers. Perhaps what might be offensive is the pure logic.

Hey man, did you see the movie transformers 3 with your own eyes?

I guess yes. Me too!

It must be all true!

Pure logic wont hurt you if you use it sometimes.

Peace out.