Enough with the dishonest behaviour Truthers - I'm calling you out.

reply to post by jamieastronaut


so the answer to my question is "yes". Thanks thats all i wanted to know.

personally i would interperate his comments to mean pull the firefighters out of the building and surrounding area. I also dont think its very likely silverstine would be in charge of the timeing /execution of the controlled demolition or even if he was that he would go on tv and admit it.

who would be dumb enough to do that and risk blowing the greatest conspiracy operation of all time?

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Well then I should apologize for my rude behavior. Sarcasm or the lack thereof doesn't translate well over the internet.
All I was trying to prove was if they had explosives set up ready to demolish building 7, which takes at least a few days to set up, wouldn't you naturally assume that 1&2 might have been rigged as well? I know it's quite unbelievable for this guy to just blatantly admit that they "pulled" the building... but if you watch any of his interviews you'd see how flustered he gets and how many times he contradicts himself.
However, do watch the other video i linked whenever you get the chance.
Again, sorry about being a dxck.

Originally posted by jamieastronaut
All I was trying to prove was if they had explosives set up ready to demolish building 7, which takes at least a few days to set up, wouldn't you naturally assume that 1&2 might have been rigged as well? I know it's quite unbelievable for this guy to just blatantly admit that they "pulled" the building...

Well, Silverstein vid was always something i had my doubts in. He never said they pulled building, he said 'pull it' which might as well mean to pull people out. That's what he stated (quite late though), and it seems plausible to my common sence. Much more than he admitting demolishion. I apply Ockham's razor here.

Much more baffling is BBC announcing WTC7 had collapsed with it standing behind presenter's back, priceless.
Or guy from NIST saying that there was no witnesses of molten steel, where dozens described quite vividly and accurately.

I personally think clinging to silverstein's interview will make more bad to the cause than good, it can be too easily dismissed. We have to stick to hard facts if we hope to ever unveil this atrocity.

Originally posted by jamieastronaut
I know it's quite unbelievable for this guy to just blatantly admit that they "pulled" the building.

Except he said they pulled the fire crews out, NOT pulled the building.... since when has the FB been in the building demolishing business?

www.freerepublic.com...

Here is a partial list of the Jewish people at the WTC who died. And the people who believe the lie that there were no Jews do not even know where the lie originated. It originated in a Syrian newspaper, which happens to be pro Osama bin Laden.

So the lie that there were no Jewish people is baseless.

www.philaahzophy.com...

These are two complete lists of the victims of the WTC.

www.punditpress.com...

I hope this makes you understand that these were real people with real families who to this day still love and remember their loved ones who died.



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After Silverstein had realized what he said, his official response was that he meant pull the firemen out. You can't honestly believe that muck do you?

Pull is a demolition term for bring down. As clearly stated in the above video..

I'm amazed that some people still believe the official explanation after all the evidence presented. Then there is the lack of info coming from the government hoping that everything will be forgotten in time. After ten years, where are the videos in the Pentagon attack? Where do the money trail lead? Why remove the evidence in the Pentagon just a few hours after the incident? There are more questions unanswered by the government until now yet some people still feel that the US government can be trusted to be telling the truth in this subject.

Originally posted by stainlesssteelrat




Much more baffling is BBC announcing WTC7 had collapsed with it standing behind presenter's back, priceless.
Or guy from NIST saying that there was no witnesses of molten steel, where dozens described quite vividly and accurately.

I personally think clinging to silverstein's interview will make more bad to the cause than good, it can be too easily dismissed. We have to stick to hard facts if we hope to ever unveil this atrocity.

I absolutely agree.. the silverstein vid shouldn't be the basis of this argument, but it sure holds a heavy hand considering "Pull" is a demolition term to bring down or demolish something...
However the NIST guy was absolutely priceless, i mean no witnesses?? There's photo and video of the molten steel... plenty of it...
When you put everything together, something just doesn't smell right you know?

Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by Ewok_Boba

Originally posted by WarminIndy
I think no one has ever addressed this in any forum. Weren't the Twin Towers mostly offices and some restaurants? I believe there was a day care center too. Now any good fireman will tell you that fires of today burn different than fires 50 years ago and that is because of the different chemicals used in our modern conveniences. So in those models of buildings burning, did they take into account the many tvs and computers that were there?

If your computer is burning, and especially back then before the new flat screen HD ones, the cathode ray tubes would have burned and left certain chemicals. We know that your house may have one computer, but the Twin Towers had hundreds of computers. And the kitchens, I am sure those appliances must have left chemical traces also.

While we see all kinds of models these "Truthers" want to throw out there, in all of them they failed to mention the fact that hundreds of computers made of chemicals burned and left certain chemicals, that combined with other chemicals would make certain compounds not usually found in regular fires. Now toss jet fuel on top of that not to mention the thousands of feet of coaxial cable that fed into the televisions and modems. Would they not also melt and mix with other chemicals?

That is not even including the many telephones. I would imagine that the Twin Towers also had a main frame server to manage the computer system.

Has any model taken that into account?

You are doubting the "truther" version of what happened solely based out of speculation. You offered no evidence to support your claim. Thanks for the contribution.

Do I need to prove there were computers being used in offices? Or do I need to prove there was a day care center? Ok let's go with the first...

americanhistory.si.edu...

tbtf.com...

Hmm, over 700 different companies, with computers and fax machines and telephones. Those are just the companies, not the office rooms they occupied.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.scienceclarified.com...

Now do I have to name every chemical in a CRT?

www.youtube.com...

Now that video is just one computer burning.Imagine 700 computers on fire

So do I have to keep posting endless youtube videos that show stupid people doing stupid stuff because it might give you a clue?

I'm quite familiar with Cathode Rays, Yes, they have chemicals that are harmful to human health, but nothing you posted gave you any support that they contributed to a more powerful fire because they mixed with jet fuel. That's what I'm talking about. All you said on this was pure speculation, therefore irrelevant. I couldn't care less how many appliance companies had their products in the WTCs. I'm looking for evidence, not silly youtube videos of some person in the backwaters of some boonies burning electronics. Posting youtube videos frankly makes your credibility laughable at the very most.

Oh, edit to say that have you considered the possibility that the reason noone has ever investigated normal appliances contributing to a more powerful fire to weaken structural supports of a skyscraper is because it is utter folly?

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It seems to me and quite a few more people on this website that you are the one recycling media fed tripe, and trying to pass it off as your own studying of the topic.

Let me be perfectly clear in this post 9/11 = INSIDE JOB!

9/11 commission report, how long was it before any witnesses were called up to the stand and any "Official story" was made public or any Official investigations started?
Was it 441 days? I'm not sure dude maybe you had better fill me in...

Pearl harbor was getting amongst its investigations and tribunal hearings with in 3 days of the bombings happening, heads rolled ( The wrong ones of course) but hey lets ignore that fact about 9/11 shall we that it took 441 days for the GOVT to create a story that made all the pieces fit.

Oh and 1 more thing

Why was the Osama # 1 on the FBI's top ten most wanted list?
it certainly wasn't for 9/11, but yet the reason they started the whole war in Iraq/Afghanistan?
Diverted attention from even capturing Osama onto Hussein, and tried to lay claims that Iraq had " WMDs"


It blatantly went from one lie to another, all the while finding no hint of indication they even had WMDs in Iraq
or no shred of evidence that Osama Bin Laden was even involved in the 9/11 domestic attacks, thats right domestic attacks.

How is it possible to find a "Terrorists" passport amongst the burning rubble and fallen debri's, when almost everything from the plane was smashed into a million pieces.

Your mind must work in mysterious ways to make you not want to question that.

I just can't understand why you are defending the issue, 3/4 of the world has their suspicions.

With all your "scientific data" to back your claims, there are more proven scientific methods to debunk those almost straight away.

So where does that leave Truthers vs the sheeple? going around in circles that's where

This is an argument that will go on till we are all old and grey, i understand it will never get proven publicly that U.S govt had some or most of the involvement in the attacks, but i beg you to open your eyes up to facts instead of ### the media feeds us on a daily basis.

Sorry if i skipped and jumped from my points i was trying to make, 10 hrs at work is a hell of a long time and i am about ready for bed.

Don't believe 99% of what the media slams in your face on a daily basis and you will be happier.

Read up on the chopper-gate scandal, ( Australian news story) and you will see why you should not believe everything the media shoves down your throat, because sometimes, they too distort facts to try and make a better story

reply to post by Ewok_Boba


So a computer burning in one room can cause damage? That much you admit? And the video I posted was silly and I posted it for a reason. It is people like you who demand credibility while yet denying the credible accounts of the victims and witnesses.

Do you even know where the origins of the lies came from?

Here is one link www.slate.com...

We can post videos all day long, but at the end of the day, airplanes were hijacked, thousands were killed and the Twin Towers fell. Why is it so hard to give any honor and remembrance to those who died?

Originally posted by Edgecrusher26
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

 

It seems to me and quite a few more people on this website that you are the one recycling media fed tripe, and trying to pass it off as your own studying of the topic.

Let me be perfectly clear in this post 9/11 = INSIDE JOB!

9/11 commission report, how long was it before any witnesses were called up to the stand and any "Official story" was made public or any Official investigations started?
Was it 441 days? I'm not sure dude maybe you had better fill me in...

Pearl harbor was getting amongst its investigations and tribunal hearings with in 3 days of the bombings happening, heads rolled ( The wrong ones of course) but hey lets ignore that fact about 9/11 shall we that it took 441 days for the GOVT to create a story that made all the pieces fit.

George Bush : Oh hey, you know how weve been planning this whole 9/11 thing? You know, like over hundreds of years with speech dates, dollar bill designs, Flag proposals? Yeah, Well its next week and we've forgotton to do our homework and make our coverstory...
Illuminati: .............

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2 hours later ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Bush: Eh, Wanna blow it up anyways?
Illuminati: Sure why not, Its not like people are going to see the giant amount of time it took us to come out with an offical story..

Would they really put THAT much planning into it and than not have a story? xD

Also: As for the pearl harbor compairison, Pearl harbor was a MILITARY base, nobody knew what was going on there, so when the civilians heard it was attacked, they wanted to know.. now. With the WTC everyone saw it with their own two eyes, there was no if ands or buts about it.

How come everyone calls us sheeple if we believe what the government said? You guys are sheeple for coming up with the same 2-3 "Demoliton plans" and spewing them over and over again.

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And this is where we need to get back to, the original lie. All these "Truthers" have done is taken one disproven conspiracy theory and built more theories on top of it. Let's get back down the the original lie, which is the foundation, that there were no Jews there. Lie debunked over and over and over again.

So the next step is to say there were no planes. Disproven over and over and over again. So instead of planes, you say, it was demolition. Again, disproven over and over and over again. Yet your house of cards built upon lies looks beautiful only in your eyes, but it is still built on lies. And Muslim theorists feed you this lie and you continue to believe them. And you call the rest of us sheeple.

Why? Because it is easier to get people to first believe Israel did it because it feeds anti-Semitism. And then secondly you are told by these same people that your government did it..why? Anti-Americanism.

So which is it? Did Israel do it? If Israel did it then that means the government did not do it. And if your government did it that means Israel did not do it, but theorists hold both to have done it. Perhaps you say it was a joint effort. This joint effort was to bring America into a war that Israel could not fight? Again, this goes back to anti-Semitism. Did you forget that Al Qaida also orchestrated the garage bombing of the WTC?

en.wikipedia.org...
www.nytimes.com...
www.adl.org...

So explosives were not enough to bring it down. The origin of the lie is not based on Anti-Zionism, but Anti-Semitism.

By the way, even your own "Truther" brothers say Al Qaida does not even exist, yet they exist on Al-Jazeera and every other news source in the Arab world.

Osama bin Laden issued the fatwa against all of us Americans, even the "Truthers". Repeating the lies only help them.

Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by Ewok_Boba

 

So a computer burning in one room can cause damage? That much you admit? And the video I posted was silly and I posted it for a reason. It is people like you who demand credibility while yet denying the credible accounts of the victims and witnesses.

Do you even know where the origins of the lies came from?

Here is one link www.slate.com...

We can post videos all day long, but at the end of the day, airplanes were hijacked, thousands were killed and the Twin Towers fell. Why is it so hard to give any honor and remembrance to those who died?

I think that truly is what is behind the people wanting the truth. Wanting to make sense of what happened specifically to HONOR those who died! If your child or brother or father died under somewhat suspicious circumstances and the ME ruled it an accident wouldn't you be upset? If you even thought for a second that somebody was responsible for it, wouldn't you push for the truth to be brought to light? Wouldn't you try to explore every possible story, every seemingly insignificant account? I, for one, question what happened because the pieces just don't fit in my mind. I don't know a single person who died that day, nor have I ever been to D.C. or NY, but I don't have to have some link to the deceased to want to HONOR them by trying to find out what happened.

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End of the day...Planes were used ....as the hijacking was never ever really confirmed was it...it was stated as fact to the public....also we don't know who was flying the planes at the time of the hijacking...was it the pilots....was it the hijackers...or was it ptech and mitre or System Planning Corporation......do we know for sure....was there a criminal investigation into the hijacking...and was there any trails or court cases concerning the hijacking...As far as i know there was not...It is still all conjecture is it not....

I am not being silly here...i am being questioning...why would i just believe they were hijacked....I mean really a group would come forward and say they did it...did this happen...nope....

out of all the debris....they manage to find a hijackers passport....interesting state of affairs...but they could not manged to find a black box...paper passport vs fire proof hardened encased black box....hmmmm

i find that very strange indeed...and you would not even question such things....Why?

computer control backdoor

Most national security computerized systems that would have scrambled jets in the event of national emergencies such as multiple hijackings were running on Ptech software. A list of Ptech clients includes the FAA, N.A.T.O, United States Armed Forces, Congress, Dept. Of Energy, Dept. of Justice, FBI, Customs, the IRS, the Secret Service, and even the White House.


his days were documented before, during and after his Pentagon stint, during which a total of $3.2 trillion went missing from Pentagon coffers, in an article for Online Journal, Following Dov Zakheim and Pentagon trillions to 9-11 and Israel, which you should all read in full.
In fact, the second loss of $2.3 trillion was announced on September 10, 2001, by Donald Rumsfeld and the story was buried the next day under the rubble of 9/11.

Dov Zakheim. Not many Americans know who he is, but they ignore him at their own peril. If for no other reason, a dual Israeli-American citizen as Comptroller and Chief Financial Officer of the United States Dept. of Defense should raise some eyebrows. He was also President Bush's senior foreign policy advisor during the 2000 campaign.
He was (is?) Corporate VP1 at System Planning Corporation, a major player in the "Homeland Security" industry. One of the products that SysPlan sells is the Command Transmitter System, a remote control system for planes, boats, missiles and other vehicles2 . It's highly customable and configurable to interface with an almost limitless number of vehicle types.

The remote control theory of 9/11 looks a little better every day.


NOTE all the above is well sourced in my signature thread..... so please feel free to find all sites and sources and additional information there.
Also note i am not saying this is the case...i am saying there is enough to make one question things...is that not what one should do...if one sees possible evidence should it not be investigated to discount it...was that done...nope it wasn't.....It was just decided...this is what happened and this is the way it is....wow....now that sounds more like a dictatorship...not a democracy.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

Next Insane 9/11 Conspiracy Theory: Some government official stole Wonder Woman's invisible jet, and he used it to plant invisible demolitions on all of the buildings. Once he was finished planting the invisible explosives, the government official raced to plant more on planes. We have experts who used theoretical math problems, which placed the government official in the invisible jet.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


I have 3 words for you:

WTC7. WTC7. WTC7.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by sageofmonticello

 

You just dont get it do you. It was an inventory of ALL of the DoD's equipment....ships, tanks, aircraft, rifles, parts MRE's everything and the adjustments made to make the records match. Not missing money. 2.3 trillion dollars is YEARS worth of Dod budgets, and anyone who thinks that it was 2.3 trillion dollars in money that came up missing is flat out foolish.

I am sorry but you just don't get it. I will make this very clear for you, ok.

It took a $2.3 trillion adjustment to make the records match. So why were the records $2.3 trillion off? Why was a $2.3 trillion dollar adjustment necessary? Could it be because $2.3 trillion in US dollars was unaccounted for? So what happened to that money? Why is there no record of the $2.3 trillion? If they can't account for it, I would say that the money spent is missing? If the money can not be accounted for it is missing money, is it not? Your argument with me is foolish.

Originally posted by WarminIndy
And this is where we need to get back to, the original lie. All these "Truthers" have done is taken one disproven conspiracy theory and built more theories on top of it. Let's get back down the the original lie, which is the foundation, that there were no Jews there. Lie debunked over and over and over again.

I know it may be too much to ask from you, but could you stop insulting people demanding to fully explain and disclose not only what exactly happened on 9/11, but also before and after. Why CIA knew about those people and danger they present and FBI didn't? What happened with gold? What about money-trails for 19 that never been investigated. Why no pentagon footage?! Aaand dozens more that never been answered, with what you seem to feel comfortable, your business. But I ain't.

Your insult is to put us to the same bag as antisemites bringing the No-Jews-at-Work argument, and hundreds other numnuts spawning stupid theories to discredit everything about the subject. I don't care did you intented it or not, stop right now!