I Am a Straight, Married Christian Male in Support of Gay Marriage

reply to post by bodcausailor


You are a out of line saying that , how dare you even pretend to speak in the name of the Lord. Who in this world tells you that you are right and they are wrong. I bet you masturbate and have impure thoughts. I bet you have seen pornographic material, for all we know you are into some odd kinds of sexual behaviour. Now imagine we presumed all these things about you in the name of god. Honestly bro, ask yourself if god did exist and he loves us all then why are gay people on this earth, even in small tribes throughout the world that have had no exposure to the west or the bible, practice homosexuality. It is in your genetics , even if it isn't, it's a choice and you are not holier than thou.Do you think your Jesus would have turned his back on Gay people ? Really? Do you really? Think about it. Oh and as you say preacher....GOD BLESS in his name of course. Because I say so.

Not that it matters to everyone here on this site but this is for the OP. Please re-read Romans 1:18-28. Then re-think what the Bible says about marriage.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Sorry to be a bible thumper folks, but it needed to said. I ain't mad it you.

My argument is that it is just plain wrong. If everyone turned gay, the human race would die. Thus, gays are detrimental to society.

Originally posted by bodcausailor
I am straight and always will be straight.

So, your saying nobody can turn you gay?
What about if you suddenly lost your faith, would you then be open to the attractions of the same sex?
Why not?

Perhaps something biological?

I feel a little angry by the forum moderater justifing actions that are immoral and sickening. If you are gay so be it. But don't try to convience me you were born that way, because it's a crock of poopie.

Ahh, so you -can- be convinced to be gay then, by your stance here that it can be convinced into you...meaning that there is a part of you that is sort of gay, but your convictions won't allow for said thoughts to come into play.

You can't have it both ways mate...either you can convince people into being gay, or not.
Why do you say you will always be straight if you know people can be altered by their environment...if this is your understanding then, wouldn't it be more a hope that you don't suddenly get talked into being gay?

See, it doesn't make sense, does it. Either you have a sort of gay seed in you, or you don't...and that is applied to a gay person in reverse...either they are gay by biology, or not...but if not, then that means anyone can suddenly become gay, and since you are not god, and therefore cannot predict the future, all you can do is -hope- you remain straight verses demand you will.

Personally, I will always remain straight because I have no desires or passions about gayness...beyond it still looks odd to me seeing men kiss and hold hands...but I put that to it just not being the norm, and nothing I desire (bit like kissing a porcupines back in my opinion)...but meh, some people also like olives (disgusting things)

You have allowed yourself to become that way by living in the flesh and not putting faith in jesus christ.

I have known a troubled and sad gay dude whom is troubled and sad because he is christian and know that the lusts and desires he has for the same sex are against gods will. He prays often, goes to church, and is, in my opinion, a true christian...because he literally is sickened that his desires is for men. He is celebrate of course

So, I guess Jesus couldn't be bothered to de-gayify him.

It's still not too late to change and have eternal life.

Said gay dude above has begged god often for help..so, perhaps god can change and decide this one guy is worth saving?

What will you say on judgement day?

Well, if I was this dude, I would have some serious questions for the deity...such as, why did I beg you soo often for help in purging these base desires, yet you did not answer? Why did you give me these thoughts and desires and no protection against them no matter how often I prayed and pleaded...something along those lines...I would think the lord has far more to answer to him than visa versa.

I have done alot of bad things in my life, that I feel remorse for,

Remorse and a couple bucks will get you coffee
Did you make up for those bad things...sorry, but if you steal someones car, then pray, that person is still without a car. F remorse, instead, take actions to make up for what you did...
I did plenty of stuff also, and I am still in the process of trying to even things out with those I wronged in life...some people I simply wont be able to (aka, that one kid we bullied in elementry school, I don't remember his name, so can't apologize directly for being a total twat)

as for everyone else reading this post. But, I do feel some sins outweigh others.

I agree
Self rightousness is probably on top of most...its one thing to do something for yourself, its another to stand on a pillar and pretend your a judgmental deity yourself..
One thing God said quite clearly is that none are right
So, by standing up and saying you are right, or rightous, means you are basically calling god a liar. Jesus also hated the judgements of other men on each other.
So, here you are, standing up, claiming righteousness..judging others actions

Homosexuality has some side-notes in the bible, but you are violating an actual commandment, and with great joy..no other gods before me...not only are you overruling God, you are in fact pretending to be one through the righteous judgement, the same with the rest of the misled judgmental flock

Here is the deal, "christian"...its not your place to judge...thats Gods domain...your place is only to love your neighbor, love yourself, love god...let your deity do his job...he doesn't need your help.

Yes I feel that homosexuality ranks just below murder and equal with adultry.

And I see righteousness to be above murder, but under tax evasion. My opinion is super valuable, isn't it

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by The Old American

 

So what? You proud or something?

You're not a consistant Christian if you arn't a homophobe, You're just someone with "vague" faith.

Somehow I'll have to go on knowing I don't live up to your flavor of Christianity. Say hello to Fred Phelps for me.

/TOA

Originally posted by 200457
My argument is that it is just plain wrong. If everyone turned gay, the human race would die. Thus, gays are detrimental to society.

And if everyone turned straight and breeded, we would have a insane population explosion, raping the planet of resources, and everyone dies from starvation.

hmm...natural balance of things?

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by 200457
My argument is that it is just plain wrong. If everyone turned gay, the human race would die. Thus, gays are detrimental to society.

And if everyone turned straight and breeded, we would have a insane population explosion, raping the planet of resources, and everyone dies from starvation.

hmm...natural balance of things?

Responsibility could just as easily be the other force. If no one were gay, humans would have to *gasp* use their brains and think if having a kid was the right thing to do?

Also, we have condomns, birth control, ect. Easy.

Buttholes are for pooping.


If you are going to pick apart every word I say, you better have a better than average arguement lined up.

My guns are loaded.

reply to post by The Old American


It's not my flavour, it's YOUR alledged God's flavour. The God that Jesus supports.

I despise Fred Phelpes, because he's a consistent Christian.

I believe not in religion, nor a deity.

It's pretty interesting that I've been attacked in this thread just for supporting them. For not hating them like a real Christian should. I'm only a "vague Christian" because I have love in my heart for gays. I'm actually being attacked for having Christ-like qualities of "loving my neighbor"! If it weren't so pathetic, I'd laugh.

/TOA

Originally posted by Section31
Even though gay marriage is legal in those states, that does not mean religious organizations are forced to participate. In order to become a member of a religious group (unregulated entity), you have to follow their specific membership rules. Remember what the first amendment of the US Constitution says? Government cannot make laws that prohibit the establishment of religion. Its a double edged sword.

Still not sure of your point. There are MANY churches that will marry gay people. Of course religions shouldn't be FORCED to marry anyone, but many churches CHOOSE to. In God's eyes and everything.

Gay Friendly Churches

reply to post by The Old American


What an awesome post, Old American.

Thanks for your honesty....

reply to post by The Old American

I'm only a "vague Christian" because I have love in my heart for gays.

It's what's known as "cherry-picking" scripture, thus "vague" faith.

reply to post by The Old American


Honestly, I think you have a very good common sense stance on the subject, and I entirely agree with you, but that is exactly the reason I do not call myself a "Christian." In my mind, to be a Christian, one must accept Christ as infallible, and therefore take every word as literal. Christ said no one gets to the Father, but through him. I do not believe that, and therefore I cannot call myself a Christian.

In all honesty, I kind of agree with the others. Your moderate view is very logical, but logic and religion don't always mix.

One can believe in the teachings of Christ, and Buddha, and Abraham, and not have to call themselves by any particular religious label. Maybe you are not a Christian afterall, but you are actually a more level headed spiritualist that admires the teachings of Christ, but accepts them as parable and not indisputable truth?

I hope this doesn't offend our Christian friends in the thread, but my experience with Christians is that they are not nearly as faithful and steadfast as they ought to be if they are going to use the label. Either Christ is the only way to Salvation, or he is just one of the many spiritual teachers with a great message. Either tell me I'm going to hell if I don't convert to your religion, or start calling yourself by a more generic label. Fanatics make more sense to me than moderates.

Originally posted by 200457

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by 200457
My argument is that it is just plain wrong. If everyone turned gay, the human race would die. Thus, gays are detrimental to society.

And if everyone turned straight and breeded, we would have a insane population explosion, raping the planet of resources, and everyone dies from starvation.

hmm...natural balance of things?

Responsibility could just as easily be the other force. If no one were gay, humans would have to *gasp* use their brains and think if having a kid was the right thing to do?

Also, we have condomns, birth control, ect. Easy.

Buttholes are for pooping.

edit on 7-9-2011 by 200457 because: (no reason given)

If you are going to pick apart every word I say, you better have a better than average arguement lined up.

My guns are loaded.

edit on 7-9-2011 by 200457 because: (no reason given)

God didn't invent birth control pills and condoms...that was innovation of man. I was discussing the hypothesis that homosexuality in nature could be fueled by a natural occurance based on population. When some amphibions have no males around, some females will become male to propagate the species (and they say jurassic park didn't teach us anything. )

As far as guns fully loaded...well, you misfired a few times (by your edits)...and ultimately, I don't need guns to make a stronger point

But anyhow, back to the subject at hand.

its very simple....anyone can do what they want , have freedom, etc especially when its their personal freedom and they are not hurting someone


but the bottom line is this:

MALE and FEMALE go together

period

simple as that

all you can guys can take your opinions and fill up the ocean you can't escape that fact

so why encourage gayness male or female out there unless you have an agenda? why run a society encouraging gayness when 95% of everyone is straight. acceptance is 1 thing. pushing it is another

in all my years..no one has ever beat my argument about this and no one will
but folks like you will pontificate about it for decades and be messed with politically over it

I edit to add more. And I was never talking about god. I don't believe in god. So you sir are the one misfiring.

Everything I have said has been the 100% truth, you can deny it all you want but it won't change the fact that I did not tell a single lie.

And do humans naturally have a sex change? I don't think so. They get confused.

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by The Old American

 

I'm only a "vague Christian" because I have love in my heart for gays.

It's what's known as "cherry-picking" scripture, thus "vague" faith.

Vague -christian- faith...maybe he is making a new religion...in which case, thats cool.
I think a new religion is in order...take the best bits of wisdom from all the holy books, some self help books, and slap a deity on top (or like...5 deitys..pantheons are cool).

I do hope the next religion includes Gandalf.

Originally posted by 200457
I edit to add more. And I was never talking about god. I don't believe in god. So you sir are the one misfiring.

Everything I have said has been the 100% truth, you can deny it all you want but it won't change the fact that I did not tell a single lie.

Yes, truth...cannot deny
If everyone on earth suddenly turned gay, we would be in trouble..fine
If everyone suddenly turned into carrots, rabbits would become monsters....are we going to stay in reality, or shall we base our principles on the most outlandish fantasy

If everyone took an oath of celibacy, that also would be bad...does that mean people whom practice abstinence are also a detriment to society? same thing...

Originally posted by SuperTripps
its very simple....anyone can do what they want , have freedom, etc especially when its their personal freedom and they are not hurting someone


but the bottom line is this:

MALE and FEMALE go together

period

simple as that

all you can guys can take your opinions and fill up the ocean you can't escape that fact

so why encourage gayness male or female out there unless you have an agenda? why run a society encouraging gayness when 95% of everyone is straight. acceptance is 1 thing. pushing it is another

in all my years..no one has ever beat my argument about this and no one will
but folks like you will pontificate about it for decades and be messed with politically over it

Does it matter to you?
The only beating of the society drum is to allow grown ass adults to have equal rights in their persuit of happiness, be it through marriage and gay sex, or anything else....you can say man and women belong together for reproduction, does that mean all instances of self gratification is some sort of abomination? after all, that is singular and...arguably kinda gay.

There, consider your argument beaten (unless you also are a do not touch yourself sort of person)...I agree, for me I am all about the opposite sex, but I also enjoy pepperoni on my pizza (like most)...but I am not saying this is the only way to eat a pizza...some people put fruit on their pizza (the horrors)...but I won't lose sleep over it...I just wont personally eat it (except pineapple...thats not bad actually)

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by The Old American
it's unlikely a child will "grow up to be gay".

I don't think so either
That's not a concern

A child should rely on their parents for everything without using the system or technology
a gay couple adopting is not the equal of a straight couple

Imagine gay couples in the USSR when the USSR broke down
people fighting outside for loafs of bread
How in the world would a gay couple find breast milk in that environment?

Not an option, do not harm children no matter how great your intentions are

I'm curious if you believe a child would be best left never adopted, than to be adopted by gay parents. You typically substantiate your arguments well, and I can't help but wonder how you might feel about this.