Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Sweet.... Turkey finally manning up to the bullies.

Report: Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

Turkish officials tell Hurriyet Daily News that Turkish navy will strengthen presence in eastern Mediterranean Sea to stop Israeli 'bullying'.

"The eastern Mediterranean will no longer be a place where Israeli naval forces can freely exercise their bullying practices against civilian vessels," a Turkish official was quoted as saying.

As part of the plan, the Turkish navy will increase its patrols in the eastern Mediterranean and pursue "a more aggressive strategy".

According to the report, Turkish naval vessels will accompany civilian ships carrying aid to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Additionally, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan instructed his foreign ministry to organize a trip for him to the Gaza Strip in the near future.

Hell yeah Erdogan! Israel's government bullying needs to stop. Turkey's navy will make sure of that.

And if Israel wants to go at it with Turkey, they better ready their nukes because that's the only way they gonna win.

Israel needs to man up, SUPPORT a palestinian state, make economic deals with them... make peace with everyone and stop acting like they are above everyone else. Going to war isn't what a real leader does. Going to war is ``easy``... what is hard is NOT going to war and DEAL with the actual problems.

edit on 3-9-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Izraelis dont need to act like they are abouve everyone else....they are


As for Turkey,if they do that it means they are ready to dissapear from the earth,because Izrael will use nukes that is guaranteed...
But as all know Erdogan is a freemason,so his talking about that is just "bringing the thursty man over the river"-thing

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by intrepid

 

The argument naturally steers there...

Turkey - an all-of-a-sudden champion of human rights for palestinians, is doing precisely that which they are castigating Israel for, against the Kurds of Turkey and northern Iraq, despite kemals attempts of "the kurds are our friends" argument.

Its just very ironic, and very hard not to point out.

edit on 3-9-2011 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

You do know that the Kurds get to become presidents , prime ministers , mp's . In fact current Turkish parliament have in excess of 140+ Kurdish mp's .


I think the analogy you are drawing is not really applicable to situation of Kurds vs Turks and Hebrews vs Arabs .

I can assure you that the Kurds by and large are friends of Turks .

I can assure you that the Hebrews are by and large not friends to Arabs nor the Arabs are friendly to Israel .

reply to post by illuminatislave


That's the whole idea here. That is what these fake relief efforts have been all about. If these were genuine relief efforts, they would simply let Israel inspect the cargo an deliver the goods without incident.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
That's the whole idea here. That is what these fake relief efforts have been all about. If these were genuine relief efforts, they would simply let Israel inspect the cargo an deliver the goods without incident.

I'm not disagreeing with you but the question is..... why? I had a boss about 10 years ago that said, "If you have a problem and you can't figure it out, factor in the equation of "control". That's what this is about, control. Why should Israel have it?

Originally posted by John0Doe

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Sweet.... Turkey finally manning up to the bullies.

Report: Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

Turkish officials tell Hurriyet Daily News that Turkish navy will strengthen presence in eastern Mediterranean Sea to stop Israeli 'bullying'.

"The eastern Mediterranean will no longer be a place where Israeli naval forces can freely exercise their bullying practices against civilian vessels," a Turkish official was quoted as saying.

As part of the plan, the Turkish navy will increase its patrols in the eastern Mediterranean and pursue "a more aggressive strategy".

According to the report, Turkish naval vessels will accompany civilian ships carrying aid to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Additionally, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan instructed his foreign ministry to organize a trip for him to the Gaza Strip in the near future.

Hell yeah Erdogan! Israel's government bullying needs to stop. Turkey's navy will make sure of that.

And if Israel wants to go at it with Turkey, they better ready their nukes because that's the only way they gonna win.

Israel needs to man up, SUPPORT a palestinian state, make economic deals with them... make peace with everyone and stop acting like they are above everyone else. Going to war isn't what a real leader does. Going to war is ``easy``... what is hard is NOT going to war and DEAL with the actual problems.

edit on 3-9-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Izraelis dont need to act like they are abouve everyone else....they are

As for Turkey,if they do that it means they are ready to dissapear from the earth,because Izrael will use nukes that is guaranteed...
But as all know Erdogan is a freemason,so his talking about that is just "bringing the thursty man over the river"-thing

Israel wouldn't be stupid enough to use nukes. Because if they did then the whole world will come down on their butts including the US. Also the head of Iran would be screaming see I was right about Israel all along.

Originally posted by intrepid
And where does most of Israel's arms come from? THEIR nukes?

You're right. Moot point, on both sides.

They develop their own weaponry. Israel has one of the highest rates of scientific research articles published per person in the world.

As mentioned in the article in Wikipedia:

The Israel Defense Forces relies heavily on local military technology and high-tech weapons systems designed and manufactured in Israel. Israeli-developed military equipment includes small arms, anti-tank rockets and missiles, boats and submarines, tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, unmanned surface vehicles, aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), air-defense systems, weapon stations and radar.

An impetus for the development of the industry was the embargo on arms sales to Israel during the Six-Day War which prompted Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), founded as a maintenance facility in 1953, to begin developing and assembling its own aircraft, including the Kfir, the Arava and the Nesher.[58]

Also:

Israel is believed to manufacture its nuclear weapons at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, a highly secretive nuclear installation located near Dimona.

Did you by any chance think they import their nuclear weapons from the US?

Lets for a minute think that they wanted to use these weapons, do you think they are bound by any international treaties like Turkey is? They're not.

Since they're not even holding these weapons for anyone, they have the best possibility in utilizing them before the Turks even had a time to retaliate.

But another interesting point I'd like to make is Israelis are extremely smart people. Much much smarter than the average Turk. If the Turks had any nukes in their hands, they would have used them already. If the Arabs had any nukes in their hand, they would have used them already.

Originally posted by nusnus
Did you by any chance think they import their nuclear weapons from the US?

Yes. May I ask when any Israeli nuclear testing has been observed? If I'm wrong, fine, I'll admit it. I have never heard of it and if they were I'm sure there would have been news about this.

reply to post by Vitchilo


THere will never be ANY peace with ANY of the judeochristian religions. Inevitibly their pittiful supersitions will dissolve and the world will be left with millions of people who would rather die than live in a world without their god.

There will be no peace untill every religion that says "my way or the highway" is gone.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by illuminatislave

 

That's the whole idea here. That is what these fake relief efforts have been all about. If these were genuine relief efforts, they would simply let Israel inspect the cargo an deliver the goods without incident.

Screw Israel if they have such a problem with the relief efforts then maybe they should leave Gaza seeing how their presence there is making the relief shipments necessary.. Also if they left they wouldn't have to worry about the bad pr and maybe they could finally stop screaming how everyone is anti-Semitic.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by nusnus
Did you by any chance think they import their nuclear weapons from the US?

Yes. May I ask when any Israeli nuclear testing has been observed? If I'm wrong, fine, I'll admit it. I have never heard of it and if they were I'm sure there would have been news about this.

Well thanks to you I've learned a few more things today.

I do remember the following quote in news articles sometime in the past but I had to look it up to find it.

The Israeli nuclear program was first revealed publicly on 13 December 1960 in a small Time article,[60] which said that a non-Communist non-NATO country had made an "atomic development." On December 16, the Daily Express revealed this country to be Israel, and on December 18, US Atomic Energy Commission chairman John McCone appeared on Meet the Press to officially confirm the Israeli construction of a nuclear reactor and announce his resignation.[61] The following day The New York Times, with the help of McCone, revealed that France was assisting Israel.[62]
This flurry of media reporting led Ben-Gurion to make the only statement ever by an Israeli Prime Minister about Dimona. On December 21 he announced to the Knesset that the government was building a 24 megawatt reactor "which will serve the needs of industry, agriculture, health, and science," and that it "is designed exclusively for peaceful purposes."[63] However, Ernst David Bergmann, chairman of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission from 1954 to 1966, said that "There is no distinction between nuclear energy for peaceful purposes or warlike ones" [64] and that "We shall never again be led as lambs to the slaughter".[65]

en.wikipedia.org...

Also in the same article:

srael may have conducted an underground test in the Negev in 1963.[39] On 2 November 1966, the country may have carried out a non-nuclear test, speculated to be zero yield or implosion in nature.[2][54]
The main suspected nuclear test conducted by Israel has become known as the Vela Incident. On 22 September 1979, a US Vela satellite, built in the 1960s to detect nuclear tests, reported a flash resembling a nuclear detonation in the southern Indian Ocean. The United States, under the Carter administration, initiated an investigation, and the United States' intelligence agencies concluded that the explosion was nuclear, and was a test conducted on an island controlled by South Africa.[55] The intelligence community's estimate was that it was 90% likely to be a nuclear test and a secret study by the Nuclear Intelligence Panel agreed with that initial finding.[56] Author Richard Rhodes asserts that the Carter administration was concerned about disrupting relations with South Africa, so the administration deliberately obscured their conclusions by putting forward a cover story that the flash was a result of natural causes.[55] The Carter administration created a scientific panel led by MIT professor Jack Ruina, to analyze the reliability of the Vela detection; they concluded in July 1980 that the flash "was probably not from a nuclear explosion,"[57][58] According to authors Richard Rhodes[55] and Seymour Hersh, the explosion was a nuclear test conducted by Israel with the cooperation of South Africa. Hersch writes that the explosion was actually the third joint Israeli-South African nuclear test in the Indian Ocean, and the Israelis had sent two IDF ships and "a contingent of Israeli military men and nuclear experts" for the test.[59]

reply to post by nusnus


BUT no testing of nuclear bombs. They are pretty hard to conceal. So they have nukes. Where did they come from? Jeez, we're getting off topic again.

Originally posted by nusnus

Originally posted by intrepid
And where does most of Israel's arms come from? THEIR nukes?

You're right. Moot point, on both sides.

They develop their own weaponry. Israel has one of the highest rates of scientific research articles published per person in the world.

As mentioned in the article in Wikipedia:

The Israel Defense Forces relies heavily on local military technology and high-tech weapons systems designed and manufactured in Israel. Israeli-developed military equipment includes small arms, anti-tank rockets and missiles, boats and submarines, tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, unmanned surface vehicles, aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), air-defense systems, weapon stations and radar.

An impetus for the development of the industry was the embargo on arms sales to Israel during the Six-Day War which prompted Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), founded as a maintenance facility in 1953, to begin developing and assembling its own aircraft, including the Kfir, the Arava and the Nesher.[58]

Also:

Israel is believed to manufacture its nuclear weapons at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, a highly secretive nuclear installation located near Dimona.

Did you by any chance think they import their nuclear weapons from the US?

Lets for a minute think that they wanted to use these weapons, do you think they are bound by any international treaties like Turkey is? They're not.

Since they're not even holding these weapons for anyone, they have the best possibility in utilizing them before the Turks even had a time to retaliate.

But another interesting point I'd like to make is Israelis are extremely smart people. Much much smarter than the average Turk. If the Turks had any nukes in their hands, they would have used them already. If the Arabs had any nukes in their hand, they would have used them already.

edit on 3-9-2011 by nusnus because: (no reason given)

A good amount of Israels weapons are American made. If not then our weapon manufacturers need to start filing lawsuits because Israel is stealing their designs. Almost all of the aid we send to Israel is used to buy weapons from us. Yes even our foreign aid is corporate welfare.

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by nusnus

 

BUT no testing of nuclear bombs. They are pretty hard to conceal. So they have nukes. Where did they come from?

Jeez, we're getting off topic again.

Read my second quote...or better yet let me post it again:

The main suspected nuclear test conducted by Israel has become known as the Vela Incident. On 22 September 1979, a US Vela satellite, built in the 1960s to detect nuclear tests, reported a flash resembling a nuclear detonation in the southern Indian Ocean. The United States, under the Carter administration, initiated an investigation, and the United States' intelligence agencies concluded that the explosion was nuclear, and was a test conducted on an island controlled by South Africa.[55]

The intelligence community's estimate was that it was 90% likely to be a nuclear test and a secret study by the Nuclear Intelligence Panel agreed with that initial finding.[56] Author Richard Rhodes asserts that the Carter administration was concerned about disrupting relations with South Africa, so the administration deliberately obscured their conclusions by putting forward a cover story that the flash was a result of natural causes.[55] The Carter administration created a scientific panel led by MIT professor Jack Ruina, to analyze the reliability of the Vela detection; they concluded in July 1980 that the flash "was probably not from a nuclear explosion,"[57][58] According to authors Richard Rhodes[55] and Seymour Hersh, the explosion was a nuclear test conducted by Israel with the cooperation of South Africa. Hersch writes that the explosion was actually the third joint Israeli-South African nuclear test in the Indian Ocean, and the Israelis had sent two IDF ships and "a contingent of Israeli military men and nuclear experts" for the test.[59]

Originally posted by nusnus
Read my second quote...or better yet let me post it again:

I read your edit. It was ambiguous at the least. Some say this, others say that. The use of the word "may" doesn't inspire me. Tomorrow I "may" have an Egg McMuffin with a freshly cracked egg. Does that mean my egg is fresh, or was it just an egg that was cracked at the time? One has to look at the wording. "Is/are" do more for a stance.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by nusnus
Read my second quote...or better yet let me post it again:

I read your edit. It was ambiguous at the least. Some say this, others say that. The use of the word "may" doesn't inspire me. Tomorrow I "may" have an Egg McMuffin with a freshly cracked egg. Does that mean my egg is fresh, or was it just an egg that was cracked at the time? One has to look at the wording. "Is/are" do more for a stance.

Eh, well its your decision to take any of it seriously. I don't know why I bother.

But Im going to post this as the last post.

Who invented the atomic bomb?

It was a Jew by the name of:Leo Szilard

Although he tried to convince the Americans not to use it against people, he was hoping the very presence of it would deter people. I rest my case.

Originally posted by nusnus

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by nusnus
Read my second quote...or better yet let me post it again:

I read your edit. It was ambiguous at the least. Some say this, others say that. The use of the word "may" doesn't inspire me. Tomorrow I "may" have an Egg McMuffin with a freshly cracked egg. Does that mean my egg is fresh, or was it just an egg that was cracked at the time? One has to look at the wording. "Is/are" do more for a stance.

Eh, well its your decision to take any of it seriously. I don't know why I bother.

But Im going to post this as the last post.

Who invented the atomic bomb?

It was a Jew by the name of:Leo Szilard

Although he tried to convince the Americans not to use it against people, he was hoping the very presence of it would deter people. I rest my case.

Do your homework...Oppenhiemer was head of the research and is credited with it's invention along with his underlings...He learned about the idea from Ancient Indian Literature he studied most his life...When asked was this the first weapon of this kind used he replied "in our time yes" he knew about the ancient wars and vitrified stone from the Ancient Vedic texts he studied most of his early life. Oppenhiemer is the Father of the bomb and Israel has never said they have Nuclear weapons they have just hinted at it. and are believed to have 200 at most which isnt enough to wipe out the Arab world and that is exactly what they would need to be able to accomplish in their first strike or they are Doomed.

The Israeli navy has hugely sophisticated firepower and is more than a match for anything Turkey can throw at it - this is Just Erdogan making a bid for the leadership of the Arab world to create a new Caliphate based on the old Ottoman Empire.

There has been a three way Mexican standoff at the moment as to who will go first, to start WWIII - this may break the logjam by forcing Israel to act in a decisive manner.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Blaine91555
That's the whole idea here. That is what these fake relief efforts have been all about. If these were genuine relief efforts, they would simply let Israel inspect the cargo an deliver the goods without incident.

I'm not disagreeing with you but the question is..... why? I had a boss about 10 years ago that said, "If you have a problem and you can't figure it out, factor in the equation of "control". That's what this is about, control. Why should Israel have it?

Actually I think it's about manipulating world reaction and a desire to destroy Israel.

I've had eyes in the back of my head regarding Ayers and his activities since the 1970's when he was pretending to be an anti-war activist. In this case it's fairly obvious if you understand the goal is to not only destroy Israel but also to continue his agenda to do away with the current system in the US.

I know that Obama, no matter how often he brushes it aside, started his political career in Ayers living room. Obama would like that to be forgotten for a reason and not just because Ayers is an admitted domestic terrorist who brags about getting of on a technicality. If Obama believes like Ayers he would be violently anti-Israel. Obama shows many signs of being exactly that. His fake they are our friends laid aside, his actions scream out his hatred.

Ayers planned for this next round of fake relief ships to arrive the same day as the mass rallies orchestrated by Hamas along the Israel border. You likely remember that. Something happened and it was delayed even though the demonstrations on the Israel border took place as planned.

When Ayers gets involved in something, he runs it from behind the scenes and hides in the shadows. He lets others take credit and tries to stay out of the Press.

The end game here would be an all out assault on Israels borders after faking an attempt to deliver aid to the Palestinians and tricking them into storming another group of fake aid ships. At the same time mass protests would form on the borders of Israel and they hope lead to an all out assault.

I think Ayers is playing with fire here from behind the scenes in his mad desire to topple the US and recreate it as a State Lenin would be proud of, Stalin would enjoy and of course with him as a shadow leader from behind the scenes.

Is Ayers that mad? I think so. I'd not be surprised if he was making some of Obama's decisions from the shadows. Clearly though he has developed some kind of real relationships in Turkey and is able to manipulate that through whichever leaders he is hiding in the shadows of. His method is always to manipulate circumstances and others into doing what he wants done and he has infinite patience.

I could be completely wrong here, but I think it is possible this is how its going down. When the next round of fake relief ships heads in, look at who is on them, not what they claim for the media.

reply to post by NewsWorthy


Its strange how everyone is obsessed with Nuclear weapons but never mention Neutron Bombs.
Giant microwave envelopes .
No fallout?
Fried bodies, but no building damage, this will be the horror of ww3?
Israel may have a few of these also.

Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by NewsWorthy

 

Its strange how everyone is obsessed with Nuclear weapons but never mention Neutron Bombs.
Giant microwave envelopes .
No fallout?
Fried bodies, but no building damage, this will be the horror of ww3?
Israel may have a few of these also.

True Neutron Bombs Are As Scary As Can Be!! We even have Conventional Bombs now as powerful as Hiroshima Nuclear Bombs that Israel might have a few of.. The T-12 Cloudmaker is another 1 that should be feared..Watch the youtube video of Saddams palace after we hit it with 1 of those...Holy Cow!! The point of fact is no 1 country can decimate another completely without Major reprisals from other country's so we'll just have to wait and see who does what first I guess.. I don't hate Jewish people....I just don't think Israel has earned the right to be where they are..if it was Survival of the fittest they'd be a memory because of their aggressive behavior with no real hope of winning except with an Extreme amount of support from the U.N...The only reason they are scared of a Palestinian State is because then they are accountable for the war crimes they have committed on the Populace. Palestine has agreed to just about every reasonable offer just to have Israel withdraw the offer because they know what a Palestinian State means Politically.