Why are Americans so Vengeful?

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by m1991

 

Well, we decended from one of the most barbaric people that ever walked the earth....it's in our DNA

You mean the English?

No man the sweeds!

Originally posted by charles1952
I am easily confused, and it has happened again, with mythos being the trigger for said confusion. Please clarify the impression I've gotten from your work here, if you'd be so kind.

Originally posted by mythos

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by mythos

 

well for those of us who study world history and looked at the history of europe,asia and the rest of the world

the us does not come even close to being "barbaric" as they have and that is a fact.

as a country founded on freedom and democracy it should hold itself to a higher standard than the rest of the world.

it is of the OP's perspective it does not. having studied my history, sadly, i cannot disagree with the OP.

I can only take that to mean that if the US should hold itself to a higher standard than the rest of the world, thenthe US should hold the rest of the world to a lower standard than it holds itself. So, mythos, as unpleasant as it sounds, your argument seems to be that the US can look at a country like Somalia, or China, or Haiti, or the rest of the world, and say "Poor little country, it's ok if you do terrible things, we won't hold you to a very high standard. You're not in our league."

I know you don't mean that, because that is the attitude that gets Americans disliked. So, please, what do you mean?

well, sir... thank you for inquiring about my intent before i get flamed!

and my intent was by no means to imply you what you perceived, and i apologize for the miscommunication.

every human being and every government should hold themselves to the highest standard of peace, justice, compassion, and general sanity... but of course.

my intent in the quote was to diffuse a perspective that i might be "anti-american" as many of my posts certainly aim at holding america accountable for its misdeeds, and yet to also use patriotic american's patriotic ideals to further illustrate my point that the US should also hold itself to the highest of standards

it is of the perception of many patriotic ATSers that america is the greatest nation on earth... a leading nation amongst other nations. whether or not i agree with this statement, others certainly do. ergo, a leading nation has a responsibility to lead by example. the US President is often referred to as "the Leader of the Free World". well then, as a country whose leader is the leader of the free world, the US should lead by proper example.

something i, and the OP, don't feel the US was doing.


the ultimate ideal would be that every country would uphold their highest potential and lead humanity by example. and that example, IMO, would be one of compassion, peace, justice, etc.

ok... i hope that explains things. thanks again for the opportunity to do so.

cheers.

mythos

reply to post by m1991


We're not Vengeful, we just don't like to roll around on our backs and take whatever anyone wants to give us.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by mythos

 

Thank you, Mythos!

You took the words right out of my mouth.....

thanks for the thanks. 'tis been quite the entertaining and mind stretching thread.

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by m1991

 

I think your info and the way you opinionize your content makes this obviously an "Op Ed" piece.. Did you conduct a survey to arrive at these conclusions? And BTW when you say Americans are "This and That and Feel like This and That" You are talking about yourself too.. If you are an American....

I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the 'average American'. I mean it's proven fact about 2/3 of Americans support the death penalty and a similar number think an innocent person has been put to death. It's also proven fact most Americans are fanatical about guns and resent people who are on public assistance.

I would say alot of Americians may support the Death penality for no other reason then to see people die, as for myself, I feel the death penality has a place in a world where justice means making sure the offender is not released to do more harm on the world.

I agree life is sacred but to not punish people that kill, rape and defile their fellow man in the name of Justice is madness. I'd like to believe the 3 strike rule would help in this situation, you get caught the first time shame on you, maybe even twice getting caught raping, molesting or killing someone in a capicity that is not self defense, shame on us for letting you out, you do it a third time, it should be off to the hanging tree, gas chamber, chair or firing squad. im sorry but i have yet to see anyone come up with a sane argument as to why the dark sinister devients of our society are not put to death.

Originally posted by mileslong54

Originally posted by m1991
Just think about it I mean. America has the largest military the Earth has ever seen, and most people in America don't feel outraged about using it for whatever reason, unless a lot of American troops die and a lot of American money is wasted. Bombing entire nations into the Stone Age is acceptable retribution to many Americans for killing 3,000 of us.

I'm pretty sure the US does not has the biggest Military in the world.

Korea = 8,691,500
Vietnam = 5,495,000
Russian Federation = 21,781,000
Iran = 3,833,000
India = 4,768,407
People Republic of China = 4,585,000

United States = 3,049,790

I think most Americans are very clueless as to what is really going on in the rest of the world. Most of what you see is propaganda, false flag attack to rally support for things like "Shock and Awe." People reacting to the lies they are told, and the fear propaganda that makes them think their lives are in danger, but does that make them bad people, I guess it depends on whether there able to open their mind to other possibilites and dismiss the ignorance. Blind faith in anything is dangerous.

We are told we are strong and powerful through Army, Navy comercials but in the end it's just a comercial, in the end it's up to you to either take it on good faith or do the research yourself. I think maybe lazy but not very vengeful, there are those in the world that have much less and much more of a reason to be vengeful.

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Not all those people are actually active in the military, most are reserve or paramilitary. 20 million of the Russian Federation's military is paramilitary. The total number of people that Wikipedia tells you is a lot different than the number of active military personnel. The US military also has a lot more equipment than other militarys. Number of soldiers is not everything.

Far too many Americans, Imo, have the maturity of kindergartners. They want more than they need or can use themselves, they are too self-absorbed, they watch too much tv, they consume far too much, take no responsibility for their actions and avoid culpability at all costs, they are intellectually and spiritually lazy, they place value on things not people, they love their bible but don't understand it's origins, they love slogans like America is #1 but can't say why. Idiocracy is right now. I love the idea of America, but I'm growing a massive dislike of the slovenly consumeristic fat f&^$ks that far too many Americans are becoming or already are. The ideals of America that were set down by the framers are only an idea now, in its place we have is a bunch dip#s and criminals running things through a defacto coup. The country that America was and now is are not the same. I hate to say this, but the world would be a better place without America. America is pretty much responsible for each and every problem in the world.

reply to post by m1991


Go to the Balkans, go to the Middle East. You think Americans are vengeful? We can't hold a candlestick to those folk. They are still killing each other over family/tribal conflicts that took place over a century ago. I'ts almost a laughing matter, but truthfully it's not.

But yep, in a sense, I do agree to a point, as in my point of view, if you attack me, I will do everything in my power to eradicate you. (That's not a personal attack by the way)

Good thing I ain't the POTUS.

Originally posted by Aleksander
im sorry but i have yet to see anyone come up with a sane argument as to why the dark sinister devients of our society are not put to death.

so i guess you just want to see them die too. I think we should ask ... why are they dark and sinister? Are they simply the most blotted from our dark and sinister society? Wouldn't putting them in prison or letting everyone know what they did (and thus shun them) be as effective as killing them? Or putting them in the nuthouse?

What a ridiculous topic. OP needs to get off of his hippy pedestal. Go become an ex-patriot then write some smear pieces. Being an American is great, and is taken for granted by thousands of people just like you every single day. No, we are not gun-crazed at all. If you go out to states like Nevada, Texas, etc. you'll see some people who like their guns, but in most areas including where I am guns aren't really a big deal. Times are strange these days, arming yourself is a good idea. You know that most gun-related crimes are caused by guns obtained illegally and without a license? The sad part is, if you look at all these riots that take place nobody would have a fighting chance against a tyrannical government without guns. The riots in Britain are a joke, a bunch of hoodlums stealing candy from a shop - god forbid the 'bobbies' give them a good whackin' my oh my!!! haha, there's no telling when a country can become corrupt America is very young and there is always a chance, during this recession where there is desperation everyone is in danger. No, I don't own a gun but I've been mugged twice and had my apartment robbed (I live in the center of a nice campus mind you) - there isn't a moment where I would think twice about shooting any of the offenders, because they deserve it.

Originally posted by MRSeuphoric1
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Amen to that....I believe I said that 2 pages ago...

Bottom line, I believe the OP is young (20) and that this "Conversation" is now pointless being that he isn't entirely sure how he feels.

The OP's comments: "No one has shown me proof Americans are not vengeful" shows this is a pointless debate.

I'm actually 21; I was born in 1990. I just like how '1991' looks as it's a pantomime.

I am firmly convinced Americans are vengeful, people are trying to disprove my thesis but so far I've only shown that I'm correct because very few people on here agree with me we should be a more forgiving society.

Originally posted by LiberLegit
No, I don't own a gun but I've been mugged twice and had my apartment robbed (I live in the center of a nice campus mind you) - there isn't a moment where I would think twice about shooting any of the offenders, because they deserve it.

My point is proven. Americans are vengeful.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by m1991

 

Go to the Balkans, go to the Middle East. You think Americans are vengeful? We can't hold a candlestick to those folk. They are still killing each other over family/tribal conflicts that took place over a century ago. I'ts almost a laughing matter, but truthfully it's not.

But yep, in a sense, I do agree to a point, as in my point of view, if you attack me, I will do everything in my power to eradicate you. (That's not a personal attack by the way)

Good thing I ain't the POTUS.

I never said we were the most vengeful people on Earth lol. (though we are up there).

reply to post by ErgoSphere

We're not Vengeful, we just don't like to roll around on our backs and take whatever anyone wants to give us.

Hahaha! REALLY? Seems to me we've been doing just that for quite a while now! If we're such bad asses, why do we still allow the Federal Reserve to handle our finances and why do we allow our government to operate on a corrupt basis and run this country into the ground by sending us into wars we don't want and spending our money on bull*** that only benefits a handful of wealthy elites.

Why do we pretend to be the "Land of the Free" when we clearly are NOT if we are the type of citizens who "don't like to roll around on our backs and take whatever anyone wants to give us?"

Originally posted by th3dudeabides
Far too many Americans, Imo, have the maturity of kindergartners. They want more than they need or can use themselves, they are too self-absorbed, they watch too much tv, they consume far too much, take no responsibility for their actions and avoid culpability at all costs, they are intellectually and spiritually lazy, they place value on things not people, they love their bible but don't understand it's origins, they love slogans like America is #1 but can't say why. Idiocracy is right now. I love the idea of America, but I'm growing a massive dislike of the slovenly consumeristic fat f&^$ks that far too many Americans are becoming or already are. The ideals of America that were set down by the framers are only an idea now, in its place we have is a bunch dip#s and criminals running things through a defacto coup. The country that America was and now is are not the same. I hate to say this, but the world would be a better place without America. America is pretty much responsible for each and every problem in the world.

Now there's a dose of truth for ya!

Americans are vengeful...independent minded....don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks...and the whole bunch can kiss my ssa... we don't want any handouts...we don't want anyone screwing with us...and we don't want to screw with anyone either.... we don't want to fight but I'll be damned if I run from one... I'll give you the shirt off my back, but don't try to steal it from me... cause I will kill your sorry ssa.

That's it...that's America...can't say that for the US Government...but for the most part that is your average American... at least all the ones I know here in my neighborhood and community.

We work hard, mind our own business, pay our bills and taxes, love God, Mom, and the flag, and just want to be left the hell alone.

And yes...I do live by the feud and if you don't love it...leave it. Sounds good to me... I love America, and if the govt keeps tearing it down...well, I reckon I'll habve to put my words where my bullets are.

And yup, I have a degree and still love John Wayne.....so take that....LOL

reply to post by AlreadyGone


ooof.... this sort of rhetoric certainly helps prove the OP's point.

and though i appreciate you patriotism, you by no means speak for all Americans. in fact, many (many, many) Americans would find your sentiments unnerving.

and if you disregard the sentiments of these many (many, many) Americans, then i am not sure you understand what it truly means to be one.

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Aleksander
im sorry but i have yet to see anyone come up with a sane argument as to why the dark sinister devients of our society are not put to death.

so i guess you just want to see them die too. I think we should ask ... why are they dark and sinister? Are they simply the most blotted from our dark and sinister society? Wouldn't putting them in prison or letting everyone know what they did (and thus shun them) be as effective as killing them? Or putting them in the nuthouse?

If all they do is rape, kill and show an utter lack of respect for their fellow man then why not let them die? Yes why are they like they are? When did i write kill them instead of prision? I Believe i said three strikes did I not? would the first two times they got stuck in prision not cover your "Wouldn't putting them in prison or letting everyone know what they did (and thus shun them) be as effective as killing them?" I only said if they keep repeating their offenses then why not kill them....It's seems clear at that point that they are more of a hinderance on society as a whole and appear to serve no function other then to keep spreading psychological anguish and misery some of the more sinister divients like to.

I don't understand what you are trying to say? it seems like your arguing just to argue. the only thing I got out of your response was you think it's ok for repeat offenders to drain taxpayers of resources that could be better put towards trying to stop the behavior befor it starts, even then their are those people that just love to see anarchy, pain and misery are you one of these?

Life should never be whasted, you only get one and you should defend it with everything you got. No one has the right to take yours. You give up the right to life when the majority feel you area a danger mentally and physical to everyone around you from your actions and words. Yah, you can throw them in the prision or the nut house but given how our laws have so many loops holes and the dammed near immoral profession of lawyers, would you really want the guy that molested and killed your children, or bombed your school or place of busnesss to get out only to do it to another family? Some innocent bystander that just wants to take care of themselves and family? Serisouly?

It all goes back to the way America was set up in the first place. 'You can establish a country with all the beautiful laws you want, you just have to terminate the original natives with extreme prejudice first.'
(And I still can't find whose quote that is.)
The original Americans, claiming to be christains, obeyed the dictates of the torah, or the old testament, to kill your 'enemies' down to their dogs, even their grasshoppers, and killed the native indians like flies, with extreme prejudice, like animals. This is one reason why native indians are studied in a natural history museum, along with all the other animals.
The venegeful american attitude springs from there.
A 'peacemaker' .45 made peace when you murdered your 'most hated'.
Revenge has been the motivation for all our wars and a lot of wars that weren't really wars. Geronomo was a P.O.W. in Ft. Sills Oklahoma, for 25 years when there was NO WAR!
The genocide by murder of the native indians in california is very comparable to the actual number of murders of jews in Hitler's Germany.
But you can go to jail for doubting the halocaust, yet no one says a word about the massacres in California, done to pave the way for the gold rush during the '49ers' era. People make fun of the slaughter of native indians, calling us 'stupid', because we let it happen to us. Just try telling that to an Iraeli sometime.
The bankers and lawyers take over indian casinos, so the average indian is still the poorest american.
For the few of us remaining, California is Nazi Germany if Hitler would have won.
The original American Thanksgiving was actually a massacre, where, in 1636, long before there was an America, the whites burned down a Pecqua longhouse in today's Conneticut, murdering over 700 people. The next day they celebrated the first thanksgiving. That's where American vengeance came from! The lie of the modern thanksgiving, with racial harmony, was not invented until a hundred years later. When the Christains decided that celebrating a massacre was probably something that Jesus wouldn't have done. You will not find that lie told in any book written before 1736.But that was a lie, just like the Weapons of mass destruction, and all the lies they give for the six wars we're in now.
There's little change from the beginning of it all, until now.
'Vengence is mine, sayeth the lord'
But that's Jehovah, not Jesus.
The original americans obeyed that dictate.

Originally posted by Aleksander


I don't understand what you are trying to say? it seems like your arguing just to argue. the only thing I got out of your response was you think it's ok for repeat offenders to drain taxpayers of resources that could be better put towards trying to stop the behavior befor it starts, even then their are those people that just love to see anarchy, pain and misery are you one of these?

Life should never be whasted, you only get one and you should defend it with everything you got. No one has the right to take yours. You give up the right to life when the majority feel you area a danger mentally and physical to everyone around you from your actions and words. Yah, you can throw them in the prision or the nut house but given how our laws have so many loops holes and the dammed near immoral profession of lawyers, would you really want the guy that molested and killed your children, or bombed your school or place of busnesss to get out only to do it to another family? Some innocent bystander that just wants to take care of themselves and family? Serisouly?

Civilized societies do not put people to death. It is unnecessary. Believe me, if someone is a serial killer, no parole board is going to let them free.