Wow... England Needs A Revolution...

I will repeat myself on this thread. Negativity and division will get us absolutely nowhere, we need to plan for a positive future and each do our bit to make sure that we get there.

If you personally go around thinking everything is rotten and everything is bad, then you will find yourself in a rut that will become harder to get out of. I understand things are tough, but from my personal experience in life, without planning for a positive future, you can not live in the present.

Having the fortune of being born British puts you at an advantage over the vast majority of the worlds population. When your complaining about the cost of living or the crappy politicians, just think about the vast majority of humanity who live in poverty, the ones who dont have access to clean drinking water, electricity, education and healthcare.

Or we could just take cheap shots at each other depending on what part of this tiny Island we come from.

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

There are thousands of people who have played the game to try and change things. They either end up corrupted and a part of the system, or realise they are pissing in the wind. There are many independents who cannot get in because of the corruption and outright dirty play of the established players. There are groups that end up smeared and painted in a bad light, regardless of their actual manifesto. Your solution requires playing by their rules, which they change at will. How can that possibly work? Its no different to a 5 year old kid playing a game, and making the rules up as they go along so they always win.

We do not live in a democracy, so the democratic way of doing things will not work!

edit on 31-8-2011 by Firefly_ because: (no reason given)

So, we have a revolution. The government has just been brought to its knees. Then what? Who takes over? What with? How will they govern? What do they stand for?

You seriously think we'll be better off then?

Like I say, if you have answers to the problems, problems that are serious enough to cause a revolt and bring the Country to its knees, people WILL listen to you. No amount of sleaze thrown at you will deter people from supporting your ideas.

Or, are all people that stupid and need to be guided like sheep? (sounds a bit elitist to me )

reply to post by Power_Semi


And rather than hold all the criminals accountable for their actions, they make the poor repay what the rich stole from them in the first place. The tories are cut from the same cloth as blair and his ilk. All of them are in politics purely for their own selfish purposes, and have no intention on doing what is best for the people of this nation, and have made sure there is nothing we can do about it too.

reply to post by Firefly_


I agree, they are all the same.

They represent whoever funds them and whoever will line their pockets with money, and they are all funded by and paid by the same corporations, businesses, and miscreants.

We do I think need a new system that can cut the corruption and the possibility of it out of the equation.

WAKE UP!!

Labour, Tory, New Labour... whatever!!

It's the BRITISH PEOPLE being screwed over, time and time again!
North, South, Wales, Scotland, Ireland.... rich, poor, male, female, graduates, students.... We are ALL being screwed!!

United we stand, divided we fall.

Lets get over our petty differences and fight for our country, our families and for respect!

reply to post by EvanB


It's a pity the British people gave up their guns so willingly. Now, you're stuck, and will be slaves for life. All of my in-laws still live in Walsall (West Midlands). It's sad how far England has fallen. Welcome to Londonistan. It's a brave new world indeed.

I wish you all luck, but I really don't see people giving up their tiny dole checks anytime soon. They'll be happy to watch "the footie" and drink beer all day.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


On the off chance I am not being baited, I will respond to you for the last time.

You are the one doing a lot of assuming. Nobody (I hope) is calling for blind revolution. Of course a revolution will have a goal. Personally, I am not a politician and have no desire to be one. But i'm sure that any leaders of a revolution will know exactly what they are doing.

Can't you see the current system is corrupt. We need rid of the monarchy, who have idly sat by and let the corrupt politicians run this country into the ground. We need rid of the closed 3-party system. We basically need to burn the system as it stands to the ground and rebuild a new one from scratch. Dont ask me how because I dont know. But again, I am sure that the leaders of a revolution will know what they are doing.

Originally posted by diddy1234
As bad as it sounds, how much better off would this country have been if Hitler had won the war ?

Same here. If Japan wasn't defeated, my country probably would've been more prosperous and disciplined. Not too mention a whole lot cleaner.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

There are thousands of people who have played the game to try and change things. They either end up corrupted and a part of the system, or realise they are pissing in the wind. There are many independents who cannot get in because of the corruption and outright dirty play of the established players. There are groups that end up smeared and painted in a bad light, regardless of their actual manifesto. Your solution requires playing by their rules, which they change at will. How can that possibly work? Its no different to a 5 year old kid playing a game, and making the rules up as they go along so they always win.

We do not live in a democracy, so the democratic way of doing things will not work!

edit on 31-8-2011 by Firefly_ because: (no reason given)

So, we have a revolution. The government has just been brought to its knees. Then what? Who takes over? What with? How will they govern? What do they stand for?

You seriously think we'll be better off then?

Like I say, if you have answers to the problems, problems that are serious enough to cause a revolt and bring the Country to its knees, people WILL listen to you. No amount of sleaze thrown at you will deter people from supporting your ideas.

Or, are all people that stupid and need to be guided like sheep? (sounds a bit elitist to me )

edit on 31-8-2011 by JonoEnglish because: (no reason given)

Well I dont know about you but I do not feel the need to be governed by anyone. I am my own soveriegn person under common law, under the magna carta which makes me as free as a bird even to act in lawfull rebelion to oust those who would rip freedom from us..

Government is merely a tool of the people and not its ruler or jailor.

THAT has been forgotten in this country.

I would have a parliament of independant representatives, do away with the party system, each rep carrying the will of his/her constituents through referendums on all issues.

That is true democracy. One worth fighting for.

Originally posted by quedup
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

I worked hard all my life to raise my kids - you have no idea how hard! I never once claimed one penny in benefits

You should have. You are entitled to it as a citizen. Let the future generations of Brits and Amerikans worry about paying for it. They're so dumb anyway that they deserve to be punished this way.

I wonder what the new government will do to solve the problem. It seems like the government's problem is its spending is too high. Will you start killing rich people and looting their wealth to pay for all the things the people demand? Sound like that to me.

Originally posted by nake13
reply to post by Swanfilters

 

Yeah bring back Hadrian! this time extend the wall round the English coastline make it 10 feet high and fill it with water.

wouldn't that be bath?. funnily enough that's a roman town maybe a future planning event that went wrong....hehe.

reply to post by Firefly_

On the off chance I am not being baited, I will respond to you for the last time.

i take it you think I'm trolling you?

It's my opinion.

You are the one doing a lot of assuming. Nobody (I hope) is calling for blind revolution. Of course a revolution will have a goal.

No, I'm being sensible (for once)

Err, revolution is being called for with many different reasons and no clear goals. That is blind.

But i'm sure that any leaders of a revolution will know exactly what they are doing

Now who is making assumptions?

Can't you see the current system is corrupt.

Where there is power, corruption soon follows. No matter what system you have in place.

We basically need to burn the system as it stands to the ground and rebuild a new one from scratch. Dont ask me how because I dont know.

My point exactly



Burn everthing!!!!!! Whhhohhhoo....dam where am I going to sleep tonight?

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by FOXMULDER147

 

And by the way, the current state of the UK is the legacy of Tony Blair and New Labour, not the current government.

Whilst he and his administation certainly contributed to the current state of affairs I would say that every single government since at least Heath has been guilty of self-advancement and personal gain, the erosion of British sovereignty and the wilful deconstruction of anything that was good with British society and replacing it with mediocrity.

Hi, why do you say since Heath? I'd throw at least Wilsons first time in number 10 as fairly suspect.

Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

There are thousands of people who have played the game to try and change things. They either end up corrupted and a part of the system, or realise they are pissing in the wind. There are many independents who cannot get in because of the corruption and outright dirty play of the established players. There are groups that end up smeared and painted in a bad light, regardless of their actual manifesto. Your solution requires playing by their rules, which they change at will. How can that possibly work? Its no different to a 5 year old kid playing a game, and making the rules up as they go along so they always win.

We do not live in a democracy, so the democratic way of doing things will not work!

edit on 31-8-2011 by Firefly_ because: (no reason given)

So, we have a revolution. The government has just been brought to its knees. Then what? Who takes over? What with? How will they govern? What do they stand for?

You seriously think we'll be better off then?

Like I say, if you have answers to the problems, problems that are serious enough to cause a revolt and bring the Country to its knees, people WILL listen to you. No amount of sleaze thrown at you will deter people from supporting your ideas.

Or, are all people that stupid and need to be guided like sheep? (sounds a bit elitist to me )

edit on 31-8-2011 by JonoEnglish because: (no reason given)

Well I dont know about you but I do not feel the need to be governed by anyone. I am my own soveriegn person under common law, under the magna carta which makes me as free as a bird even to act in lawfull rebelion to oust those who would rip freedom from us..

Government is merely a tool of the people and not its ruler or jailor.

THAT has been forgotten in this country.

I would have a parliament of independant representatives, do away with the party system, each rep carrying the will of his/her constituents through referendums on all issues.

That is true democracy. One worth fighting for.

Well said!

reply to post by angus1745


Which reminds me. If you are a dumb person, most likely you wouldn't know how to feed yourself. If you don't know how to feed yourself, then you die of starvation. Hopefully before you get a chance to have offspring and pass on your dumb genes to the next generation.

reply to post by 547000


How about holding them legally accountable for all of their actions and transaction, and then dealing with them appropriately? We do not live in a nation where death is dispensed as a legal punishment (although it still is, and that's another subject). Cancelling the schemes that exist purely to divert money into their own pockets. Stripping them of their assets and using those to repay the taxes they have evaded, or the bungs they have accepted, or the excessive expenses they have claimed, to re-house those who they conned out of their homes, etc. This will go a long way, if not the whole way, to covering the deficit. Then lock them up away from society as they are a clear danger.

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


And what a typical offering that was from one of our colonial cousins.

Please explain to me how having the right to bear arms would improve things for us?
And how exactly has it stopped normal, everyday Americans from getting screwed over in exactly the same way we are?

Don't kid yourself, things are just as bad over there as they are here, or they will be very soon, and no amount of private arms will make an ha'p'orth of difference.

reply to post by Firefly_


Class warfare. Got it. Rich people evil. Raw raw raw.

Have fun with that.

Originally posted by Mister_Bit

Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

There are thousands of people who have played the game to try and change things. They either end up corrupted and a part of the system, or realise they are pissing in the wind. There are many independents who cannot get in because of the corruption and outright dirty play of the established players. There are groups that end up smeared and painted in a bad light, regardless of their actual manifesto. Your solution requires playing by their rules, which they change at will. How can that possibly work? Its no different to a 5 year old kid playing a game, and making the rules up as they go along so they always win.

We do not live in a democracy, so the democratic way of doing things will not work!

edit on 31-8-2011 by Firefly_ because: (no reason given)

So, we have a revolution. The government has just been brought to its knees. Then what? Who takes over? What with? How will they govern? What do they stand for?

You seriously think we'll be better off then?

Like I say, if you have answers to the problems, problems that are serious enough to cause a revolt and bring the Country to its knees, people WILL listen to you. No amount of sleaze thrown at you will deter people from supporting your ideas.

Or, are all people that stupid and need to be guided like sheep? (sounds a bit elitist to me )

edit on 31-8-2011 by JonoEnglish because: (no reason given)

Well I dont know about you but I do not feel the need to be governed by anyone. I am my own soveriegn person under common law, under the magna carta which makes me as free as a bird even to act in lawfull rebelion to oust those who would rip freedom from us..

Government is merely a tool of the people and not its ruler or jailor.

THAT has been forgotten in this country.

I would have a parliament of independant representatives, do away with the party system, each rep carrying the will of his/her constituents through referendums on all issues.

That is true democracy. One worth fighting for.

Well said!

Not really.

That person said he doesn't need to be governed, then later said he wants to be governed.

we ALL need to be governed to create a safe stable society. Without that we'd be in anarchy.

parliament of independant representatives, do away with the party system, each rep carrying the will of his/her constituents through referendums on all issues

All issues? REALLY???? My god, I'd move Country.
Most people don't know much about anything political or economic. I know many people who vote Labour only because their parents did.