Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by undo

 

So do you get it? The fact dinosaurs ruled the world is irrelevant. There were near-mammals that ruled the world before them. This world has had many eras, many time periods, and many rulers. And there is no proof any of them but man were ever capable of what man can do. There is no proof anything created us, and to use such silly logic that some other morphology ruled the world before us so therefore they created us is absolutely foolish.

the salient point, for me anyway, is that the planet was environmentally conducive to those life forms and if we take into consideration other subjects such as the potential for advanced civs on other planets in other solar systems and galaxies (or even other dimensions/universes), it seems to me more likely that texts from the earliest civs discussing this ancient knowledge are going to be more revealing than bones. ALTHOUGH i will give you the benefit that bones are a good source of data! i'm just not sure what they are assuming, is accurate.

see, the current view of science is mired in 300 year old science, that has since been proven inaccurate on many topics, repeatedly i might add. now i'm not saying that some inaccuracy proves all is inaccurate, because i'm not that hard nosed about it and i'm fairly realistic. mistakes happen. but what i don't agree with is suggesting anyone who thinks outside the box about all this is automatically ignorant. i don't see how that can be said, when i'm actually approaching the topic from the position of a scientist with a hypothesis and a theory. whereas you're satisfied to stick with the theories that already exist, i'm not. i think there's a harmony in there somewhere, and if you don't want to find it, doesn't mean i can't look for it myself.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

I like the part where you said amen, and then the original post was removed for being uncivil.

Funny. I've no clue what he said, but if it got removed, and you're saying amen, I'm guessing you both are not very Christ-like.

it was extremely racist.
you don't want to know lol

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

I like the part where you said amen, and then the original post was removed for being uncivil.

Funny. I've no clue what he said, but if it got removed, and you're saying amen, I'm guessing you both are not very Christ-like.

it was extremely racist.
you don't want to know lol

No it wasn't there was essentially nothing wrong with it, no idea why mod's removed it but i guess they forgot to drink there cool aid.

reply to post by EthanT


Well one geneology was for Mary, the other for Joseph.

As for Genesis, it could be proof for God not following linear time (which in turn means evolution is likely true). After all, Genesis 1 is a perspective from God, Genesis 2 is a perspective of Man. If you're a time trolling God, chances are they're not going to line up in perspectives.

I do consider the bible quite literal, and I've not really seen any contradiction yet.

reply to post by nenothtu


Oh yeah big man i already said i was mistaken on that in a previous post.

reply to post by nenothtu


Who's preaching to people who don't want to hear God's word?

And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

reply to post by EthanT


No i don't consider that a possibility and i think your grasping at straws.

reply to post by undo


Never said you don't have the right to go look, but you are basing it off of texts that, like I said, have gone through multiple collapses of civilization, and probably corrupt. Just about the only religious texts I can see as not being corrupted by time are the Bible and the Quran, because in both cases, people on top of mountains, cut off from the world, managed to withhold the information as the world burned. In every other time period, those mountain fortresses burned too. Through whatever seemingly divine intervention, this time around it did not happen.

And aside all this, there is no reason to think any text was given from an alien, when it's just as possible it was produced from too much time in a cave with a gas leak.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Well considering that means taking your word over the mods...I'm going to guess you're a liar.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


You haven't departed yet. Which means you're either a troll or desperate, or both and a false prophet.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


lol the guy called 2 black people of renown, apes. and you agreed.
humans are not monkeys and never have been (and that includes black people), although we may share some mammalian characteristics in common with monkeys. so agreeing they are apes, is either a poor attempt to make your point, or a poor attempt at suggesting christians are racists. lol

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by undo

 

Never said you don't have the right to go look, but you are basing it off of texts that, like I said, have gone through multiple collapses of civilization, and probably corrupt. Just about the only religious texts I can see as not being corrupted by time are the Bible and the Quran, because in both cases, people on top of mountains, cut off from the world, managed to withhold the information as the world burned. In every other time period, those mountain fortresses burned too. Through whatever seemingly divine intervention, this time around it did not happen.

And aside all this, there is no reason to think any text was given from an alien, when it's just as possible it was produced from too much time in a cave with a gas leak.

well then would you like biblical proof?
nah, you don't. you'd be mad at me, and revelationgeneration would call me a liar.

reply to post by undo


By all means, go ahead. I don't really get mad at people...well except RG, because he's a false prophet and all.

What I know of is the nephilim, which seemed to have been exiled to space....but they seem to have been created on Earth, seemingly created by man.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

You haven't departed yet. Which means you're either a troll or desperate, or both and a false prophet.

Your the only false prophet here bud, your teaching a false gospel and have been calling God a liar throughout the thread. We were created in Gods image as humans, not as ancestors of an ape like creature, so your the liar here.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by undo

 

By all means, go ahead. I don't really get mad at people...well except RG, because he's a false prophet and all.

What I know of is the nephilim, which seemed to have been exiled to space....but they seem to have been created on Earth, seemingly created by man.

edit on 31-8-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

k can we establish the environmental conditions of the time? would you agree they were greenhouse like? perhaps a thicker atmosphere/additional protective layer similar to ozone, maybe residual green house gases left over from some prior cataclysm? a garden? do we have any idea how long edin was considered to be a garden or to contain a garden? or if these 2 things are even talking about the same thing?

the reason i ask is because of the following reference:

ezekiel 28
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

of course you probably know that ezekiel is instructed to say these words to the king of tyre. the question was, if the garden of eden was no longer available to humans, how did the king of tyre get access to it? and furthermore, if he didn't have access to it, then it suggested that the king of tyre was not who ezekiel was literally talking to but rather something either inside the king of tyre or something in earshot of the king of tyre, perhaps a controller of some kind. in any case, these verses provide a real important clue,i do believe.

he's talking to the perfect covering cherub, who fell from grace. now either that's a member of the adam race that was originally in the garden before it was locked up, suggesting the dude is reincarnated, OR, it's talking to the nachash, who was the serpent in the garden story that modified the adam and gave them knowledge.

so the garden is already present and has a serpent, a nachash, in it, before the creation of adam is mentioned, yes? i mean he's already here on good ole terra and in the garden. what do you think these verses mean?

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

No its not about calling everything a demon, its about connecting the dots which you obviously seem incapable of even attempting. Now go to my profile and read my thread about why i think there demons and maybe you'll see the vast similaritys between these abduction accounts and demonic possession the list is literally huge. There are no aliens on other planets that come and visit us like star trek or something, this idea is pure fantasy!!!

You're connecting the dots? Now I know you're either lying to yourself or to the rest of us because "connecting the dots" requires you to have more than one dot. Your sole dot is a source that relies on circular reasoning to make any kind of claim of veracity.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Who's preaching to people who don't want to hear God's word?

You are.

And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

I'm quite familiar with that passage. As evidence of that, I direct you to this post, and particularly the last two lines in it.

You mentioned back around page 30 or so that Christians are to be "bait". Ever been fishing? Do you tie a lag bolt to a line to attract fish to it? No. "Bait" is something that the target audience wants. Hell fire, brimstone, and damnation don't qualify as "bait" for non Christians.

You do FAR more damage to your alleged cause than you do good. I would wonder as to your true motivation had I not run into the peculiar variety of "Christian" that you represent many times before. Your not about "fishing for men", you're about "striking a blow for God against the infidels" and gaining brownie points. I let God strike his own blows if he is so inclined. Not in my job description to decide that for him.

In the end, God may take a dim view of brownie points that he never asked for, or gained against his express instructions.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

You haven't departed yet. Which means you're either a troll or desperate, or both and a false prophet.

Your the only false prophet here bud, your teaching a false gospel and have been calling God a liar throughout the thread. We were created in Gods image as humans, not as ancestors of an ape like creature, so your the liar here.

I'm still way back in the thread playing catch-up, but it appears that attention is needed here at the Front.

Show me a photograph of God, and you may convince me that passage is meant to be taken as a literal likeness of his physical being.

Show me the photo. Pix or it didn't happen.

"False Prophets" do NOT call God a "liar", nor is that anything that is left to you to judge. False Prophets claim to speak for God, but deliver a message other than the one God has already provided, or add things to it that he never said.

Try that shoe on.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

My God doesn't exist in time. So it's not really that hard to hear everything if you exist as everything.

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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

Gold doesn't rust.

that what i mean!