Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

The funny thing is, Christians, Muslims, Jews, the guys believing their claims are the only ultimate truth...when in reality, they none of them has the slightest bit of objective evidence as proof. Even worse, when it comes to scripture (like the bible for example), soooooooo many things are DEMONSTRABLY wrong.

You have to be completely brainwashed to take those things literally...or seriously...

why do people still beleive in god/gods in this day and age, i dont even laugh at them anymore i look at them with pity. this is the age of science my friends, we outgrew the boogeyman many years ago

It's poor Lilith I feel sorry for.
She wouldn't have a man seeing her as inferior (I tidied that up abit) and
was cast away for the more-servile Eve.
Way-to-Go Adam!

reply to post by BohemianBrim


Well -- I started with a fairly standard liberal arts education, graduated with a degree in Engineering, and have recently gone back to pursue my masters. Having a fairly solid base of knowledge in the scientific method and general science and mathematics doesn't preclude me from believing in silly fairy tales (in either direction, honestly), but it does give me a fairly decent foothold in the actual world, as it is understood today.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Wolfenz

The Problem i see they look fairly new not much rusted!
Unless they are Metal made of Nonferrous Material

They should be made of wood, and although some may be gilded or bronzed, I don't think that iron was in general use during the time period in question. A solid metal wheel, of any metal, would have added to the weight and decreased the speed of any chariot, a decided disadvantage in a "war" scenario, and so to be avoided as principle,

I was thinking in the same line especially if it was Gold or Gold electroplated or a Lighter Alloy like Aluminum
but aluminum was not know until later in the late 19th century

but the website ive seen said that the the chariot wheel they have found was Gold on Wood ?????

Since 1987, Ron Wyatt found three four-spoke gilded chariot wheels. Coral does not grow on gold, hence the shape has remained very distinct, although the wood inside the gold veneer has disintegrated making them too fragile to move.

truthorfiction.com
Egyptian Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea-Unproven!
www.truthorfiction.com...

Gold would be too much weight and too Soft to used on l Alone
but from this Picture alone it does not look like a wooden chariot wheel electroplated with Gold!
it Looks Molded From a Press ! and i see refection shine around the Center of the Wheel Axle Hole



It may as well be a Wheel from a Naval Ship or Naval Submarine Hatch

Boy it does Look Familiar ! Sorta

Vintage Submarine hatch

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by NeverForget
Can't blame everything on the Roman Catholic Church, easily done though.

Very easy actually if one has done research. The entity is more political than theological. That is my point of view. I don't mean to insult Catholics, I'm just pointing out the disparities between dogma and truth.

Again, i insist, the emphasis on YOUR point of view, there's no hiding the sinister dogma within the ORIGINAL scriptures, or for what reasons this book was written, or who by.

I consider (MY POINT OF VIEW) it irrational to put put unquestioning faith in it, or to assume it has been mistranslated. Hellfire is apparent, and more so in the NEW TESTAMENT. Read up.

Yes, there are many proliferating schisms of Christianity, many of which who have used the dogma to gain power, and I agree, the Roman Catholic Church is just one, of the many, and again, you don't know the agenda of the original scriptures; even if it seems timid or even "helpful" for that particular era in time

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
It's poor Lilith I feel sorry for.
She wouldn't have a man seeing her as inferior (I tidied that up abit) and
was cast away for the more-servile Eve.
Way-to-Go Adam!

That's natural selection in action!

Naturally a man will select the one who will get in that kitchen and make him a sammich over the one whose sole joy in life is busting his chops...

'Scuse me while I go make my own sammich now....

reply to post by Wolfenz


The Egyptian wheels were primarily wood. Some of the richer sorts would be covered with gold sheeting, rather than plated, except on the sole surface ("tread" area) - where it contacted the ground. That area would have the gold beat off of it in a New York minute, since gold is so soft. Gold and brass are used for marine fixtures in preference over iron and copper because those metals corrode, badly,

The "wheel" you show the picture of under water doesn't look like a chariot wheel to me - the sole appears to be shiny metal, too. While gold and brass don't corrode as badly, they do develop a patina over time, which should have taken the shine right off of a metallic object that old. It really looks like a cast metal part like the sub wheel you pictured. The axle or spindle hole is round, which wouldn't work well for turning a spindle, but would work OK for a chariot (differential rotation in turns mean the wheels would have to rotate individually) if there was a suitable bearing surface between the wheel and the axle.

On the other hand, as I said before a solid metal wheel would be too heavy for a chariot, and that one is too shiny to be ancient Egyptian. I have to wonder if it was planted there for the photo, but without getting my hands on it, I can't really say what the devil it is. there's also nothing there for scale, to indicate size. Could even be a flywheel out of a Swiss watch!

Originally posted by GmoS719
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

I figured more people would lean towards creation.
hmmm.
I'll pray for the world today.

I think that the age has come where we need to consider the possibility that both Creationism and Evolution are both only half right. They are one story, intermingled, at least in my opinion.

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The fact that God created man in his image is irrelevant to what mankind came from. We simply came into this form which is his image, by his divine will.

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And by the same measure, hurricanes, floods, volcanoes, earthquakes, tsnumanis also come into existence by the measure of "divine will".

These disasters are "divinely willed" by whatever you call God.

Cool.

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Hmm. To be honest, I've been cooking of a thought in relation to the growing Earth theory. After all, you don't actually have to add any water to make the whole world flood. You just have to spin it faster. Then centripetal force pushes everything up, raising the water level an, who knows, expanding the Earth. That's one of my thoughts on young earth creationism and should I ever find reasoning behind it I'll think more on it.

I've no clue what the world was like yesteryear long ago. Maybe it was more green house, maybe not. There's really only the polar ice caps to go on that, and the only thing they show is pretty much a great big deal of changes ongoing and forever.

I cannot therefore speak to what the world was like back then. It was wet more so sometimes, drier, other times, colder, hotter. It changed around a lot.



The quote from Ezekiel is pretty cool. You are correct in your thoughts that if it was not for the king, then it was something within him or beside him. But where you go with it is where you let your own interpretations take over.

I do believe he is either speaking of the devil himself or the nephilim crated thereafter. Likely the devil though. Supposedly Isaiah 14 describes the same.

I do think also that sometimes God uses word play to reveal forgotten pasts or make an analogue. Similar to how someone of our age might say someone is as evil as Hitler, in their days they used the nephilim and the devil for such word play.

I don't really see where you're getting this racial thing from. It's just not there for me.

Way back in Genesis it's said that the nephilim returned after the flood. Either as spirits, or quite literally as things from space. This could be where the dragon in revelations came from, or it could just be that they were spirits that took hosts.

I've never really seen much proof of reincarnation either. I know the whole John the baptist and Elijah bit, but what many have forgotten, at least what I think, is that spirit, soul, and body, are all different things, and that God recycles spirits for new souls. A spirit would be like a recording machine, where in previous skills and abilities and personality traits are found. How the Holy Spirit is spoken of kind of hints this is true. Perhaps a living recording machine, that gives you your skills without you knowing. I can testify to having woken up with the memories of entire generations in my minds. Now a days I write them down and make stories from them. It's fun.


As to the Garden of Eden, I'm pretty sure it was destroyed in the flood.

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As to the Garden of Eden, I'm pretty sure it was destroyed in the flood

On what measure/evidence are you "pretty sure"?

reply to post by Gorman91

As to the Garden of Eden, I'm pretty sure it was destroyed in the flood

On what measure/evidence are you "pretty sure"?

reply to post by Wolfenz


no. Atoms are not in everything. There are no atoms in atoms. Those are called quarks. Nor are there atoms in strings. Those are just there. You're jumping to conclusions.

I imagine it's spiritual image. Makes a lot more sense. He does say that man and woman were made in his image, and that they seek each other the same way the spirit seeks it's creator.

If you have faith, you know God exists. His actions in your life are just what you expect. Miracles do happen, and Jesus was not God the father. Thus he could simply do whatever he wanted.

Zeus and Odin and the lot were not real gods. It's fairly well agreed that they were kings and queens of ancient time whom made their people worship them. It's called the Indo-European pantheon. Read up on it.
en.wikipedia.org...



No, it does not say that nephilim were created when the sons of god bred with the daughters of man. In fact, it simply says that they were on Earth in those days. Says nothing as to how they were formed. In fact, it could be that "Sons of God" was a house or family lineage, such as the house of Bush, or the house of Obama. And that they kept separate, but that some of them intermarried. All possible paths.


No, the god in you is not the 3% difference between man and ape. that is genetics. Genetics only make up the body. There is also the electromagnetic waves that make up the consciousness, the non-human dna that makes up our mitochondria, the non-human life that helps us live, such as E coli in our gut. A Human is not defined solely by his genes.


yes the Catholic church stole holidays. So that new converts would feel more familiar. What does that have to do with anything?


I have no idea what could do better than a human. Humans are all we know. I have not been around the universe to tell you.

lack of proof is not proof of.

reply to post by NeverForget


I imagine so. I really never got why it's wrong for disasters to happen. If God exists and the after life does too, then death is just not all that big a deal.

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by Gorman91

 

As to the Garden of Eden, I'm pretty sure it was destroyed in the flood

On what measure/evidence are you "pretty sure"?

There is no Garden of Eden today :/

I am not surprised at all to find I am in the Minority. I don't mind being a Firm believer in the fact that God created this world, created everything in it, and it will end according to his plan. In the end of my life I will find out the truth, be it one way or the other. My only hope is that I lead a life that will show others that you can believe in things that the "majority" does not believe and still be a Christian. God Bless.

reply to post by Gorman91

There is no Garden of Eden today :/

So are you'd rephrase and say that you're pretty sure the Garden of Eden doesn't exist? Rather than what you said, assuming you know what the flood destroyed, simply because a book said so.

You seem "pretty sure" though, and where's the Arc? up Mount Arafat? Don't think so. I'm sure you'll pull some pseudo-evidence out from somewhere, though. Again, afterall, you seem pretty "sure" about these biblical postulates.

And there's no proof the afterlife exists. None whatsoever, it being an unfalsifiable hypothesis, and carries the same credibility as invisible sock gremlins.

There's proof of death and destruction, and life on a climatic knife-edge; Certainly, if you believe a supernatural entity "designed" this then he would surely be considered a designer with no forsight....especially as 99.9% of "his/her" creations are now extinct, and we (as a species) very nearly became part of that percentage.

I very much enjoy reading your posts, Gorman, i really do. Continue writing.

Peace.

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well thanks I guess.

Saying things are dead means a bad designer I think is a bit assumptions. As an architect major myself, there are many ways to build and design things, and right now the architectural community would honestly really love you if you designed a house that decayed peacefully into time and did not create waste.

Lol, to quote a recent lecture on Richard Dawkins' ideals,

One of the greatest achievements of evolution is autopoiesis - "self-creation." - Living things create themselves, arise from themselves. At the same time, some become nourishment for others, creating a closed cycle of energy which works almost without waste. It is evolutionary cannibalism. Organisms devour each other

Simply put, somewhere in you is energy that a dinosaur consumed. Life is simply that efficient. I call that a good design.

Of course there is no proof of the after life. But if you are going to critique God, like critiquing anything, you cannot blame one part of its own logic if it works in its own circle. This is a kind of good circular logic, not in the sense it entitles. There's plenty of good circular logic out there. I don't want to die, I help you, I know you'll help me because you don't want to die. You'll help me because you know I'll help you because I don't want to die. Just one example.

reply to post by Gorman91

Saying things are dead means a bad designer I think is a bit assumptions.

LOL!

Where did I say "bad" designer?

How did "no forsight" translate to meaning "bad design" in your head?

Certainly, Richard Dawkins and many other micro-biologists agree that "Nature has no forsight". And the laryngeal nerve of the giraffe (for example) is imperfect, and finds a much longer path than it could, it could be more efficient, but nature cannot go "back to the drawing board", it can't correct it's mistakes, hence extinction, and hence my comments on "no forsight".

LOL, Gorman, keep writing dude. Loving it.