Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

p.s. puts a whole new spin on jesus referring to himself as the son of man (which more appropriately would be, the son of adam (not adam man but adam creators/adam gods). probably be more applicably written to say "son of ____ adam (whichever adam he claimed to be the son of since we have no idea what names they were outside of the one given in the text *yehovah. sumerian-akkadian texts suggest yehovah is a compilation of enlil, enki and anu, but that's highly debated topic. for one because enlil was accused of all kinds of things, secondly because enki sounded like the serpent in the garden AND the good guy at the same time (talking about confusing) and anu, who rarely shows up in the stories at all. although he does make an appearance at a dinner in which adapa (another adam (human name)) is offered the food and water of life and is tricked into not drinking it by enki. anu offers adapa the stuff, and adapa says no thanks. something tells me that story has been messed over as it is like an echo of the "block the way to the tree of life" story in genesis.

peeling these layers apart is not easy but it's extremely interesting

reply to post by undo


What confuses me is the blocking of the Tree of Life the serpent said that Adam and Eve would become like the gods knowing good from evil if they ate the fruit then they are kicked out of 'paradise' when they eat the fruit and are denied access to the tree of life(immortality).

I take it that the Sumerians might have been using gods to describe natural disasters as in 'god' sent down a flood or plague that was just a natural event but where does the explanation for the blocking of the tree of life come up

Originally posted by KingJames1337
reply to post by undo

 

What confuses me is the blocking of the Tree of Life the serpent said that Adam and Eve would become like the gods knowing good from evil if they ate the fruit then they are kicked out of 'paradise' when they eat the fruit and are denied access to the tree of life(immortality).

well i have a theory that we were spliced with some mammalian DNA that had a double whammy in it: 1) we'd be able to "know" each other and all that entailed, which is later clarified when they are informed that the woman will have pain in childbirth thereafter (something animals go thru all the time but apparently the original female adams, did not), and 2) a nerf where a timer switch was inserted to "Block the way to the tree of life" because they didn't want immortal baby makers running around. we'd over populate the planet, then the solar system, then the galaxy and grow exponentially from there.

enlil was really an einvironmentalist. he got angry with gilgamesh when he insisted on cutting down a cedar forest to build uruk, against enlil's wishes, for example. enlil claimed the forest would never grow back. the whole sending flood because people were too noisy in their love-making, was another environmental issue incorrectly translated. it wasn't the people were too noisy it was their DNA was too messed up. in fact, the texts from that time frame, claim the whole planet was in distress. crop foods would no longer grow, animals were no longer fit for human consumption, the planet was hit with a massive drought, and it says the nephilim, having eaten all the remaining food, began to eat the human occupants as a food source. solyent green anyone? there were hardly any humans left this is why it's such a big deal that noah was "perfect in his generations (meaning genetically) anyway it says as the people died from all this, their cries went "up to heaven" and jehovah responded with what sounds like a very bad thing, but what may have in fact, saved what few humans remained and restored the ecosystem of the planet.

i dunno, to be honest. hard times those were, and not wanting to go thru anything like it, personally.

reply to post by undo

Thanks for the response, it does make sense that there were environmental issues(DNA messed up) and it had to be altered than there was a flood and the earth was repopulated. If proof of extraterrestrials is found in our DNA there would be no more doubt but that has yet to happen.

If I read 'Aliens are Demons' one more time... Please stop with this nonsense. It's the same as calling some women evil wicthes, their black cats, some satan or things like that. You define demons anything that looks ugly?

Don't you understand you are living with completely misinterpreted texts from the Bible and sadly for you, you are not able to move on? Elaborate what it means? No, you just take it all literally 'DEMONS'. Aliens or ancient inhabitants are no demons, no ghosts.

They are just creatures like us? Just because they can look unattractive to us does not mean they are demons. You need to loose that Biblical crap and start understanding it. Ancient Astronaut theory is the only theory that makes perfect sense if anything from the Bible is to be true.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


I can't believe this rather synchronistic post went completely unnoticed. I even live beside the church and minister preaching this message of an evolutionary Christian spirituality. Guess I ought to start going again eh?

All these results really do is show that nobody knows what the hell they believe in, look at the graphs, they're all over the place. Reminds me of ABACADABA more than anything else

reply to post by Time2Think

Was that your impression? I thought the responses to the various questions all pointed to the same things: a widespread acceptance of the standard scientific view of the origins and evolution of life, lots of support for the possibility that there may be a God behind it, a fair amount of support for panspermia and alien involvement in human origins, and roughly 10% support for young-Earth creationism. All of which fits together to make a very coherent picture that is, apart from the surprisingly widespread rejection of Biblical tall tales, pretty much what I would have expected from Above Top Secret.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

yea, that makes no sense. If there were more than just one god, then they would probably not care about us, in as much a child looses interest in ants once anther friend comes by, or even worse, they both decide to go burn down the whole ant hill.

The only thing worse than a mob of people, I imagine, is a mob of gods.

If God exists, there is just one. two's a crowed. I think my child analogy stands for itself.

what part does not make sense!!!

Ive ask you before Gorman is your god ruler of this planet This One Solar system or This One Galaxy Out of Billions !! or Is your God The One Ruler of the Universe ! as your God Hears the Plea of Google (Zilllion ) of Prayers ! a Second ! with This Universe

Talk about a Busy God !!! No wonder he was Angry with this Planet Before and during the days of Noah !

Or you are the type that life is Only on this TINY planet with a Tiny Sun Comparing to what is Else in this Galaxy Of Ours Earth is the Only Place Life exist in the Universe ! !
You should be in the Realm of People that still thinks the earth is Flat if you think that

Here answer these Questions !

Why Does God Need Help Messengers ! The Angels ! or why does God need a Dungeon Keeper ! like the Fallen Angel Lucifer AKA Satan Why does God Keep Himself Hidden Against a Burning Bush! when he Confronted Moses ! You want to talk about Nonsense that's Nonsense ! A God Hides itself Behind a Curtain Opps I mean Bush Moses Pay no Attention to that Being behind the Fiery Bush

A Taking Burning Bush (Moses) and a Talking Snake (Eve) Does Not Cut it For Me Sorry !!


ohh By the Way if Angels are Created By Your God and were the First Sons of God Wouldn't that make them
a Demi God or a Lesser God! ???

and they came down to produce Nephilim with Woman of Man !! that in Your bible isnt ! ? So wouldn't that make them a Demi God a Quarter God ! its Problay what that 3 percent of Unknown DNA we have in us !!

I Guess we have a Little God in All Of Us Humans !

As Before Christianity Just about Every Human was in a Pagan Mythology

Happy Easter & Merry Xmas !!

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

This report comes from Robert Wyatt who has also claimed to have discovered Noah's ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the Ten Commandments. Wyatt claims to have recovered a wheel and had it tested by an Egyptian authority. To date no Egyptian authority has come forward to confirm Wyatt's claims and the wheel has not been seen since. Furthermore, following Wyatt's claims many people began diving in the same area and they too believed they had found chariot wheels. It turns out all of these claims were coral. Even Wyatt's own wife, who dived with Wyatt, states that the coral makes it look like there are chariot wheels all over the seabed.

Not only that, but all the Egyptian chariot wheels I've ever seen only had 4 spokes, and those "chariot wheels" have considerably more.

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

While i agree that racial differences make zero difference to a question of species, it is not as simple a matter to dismiss as you do.

The reason for different skin shades is simple... Those with darker skin tend to live in warmer climates, while those with lighter skin tend to live in colder climates.

Darker skin because the group live in warmer climates and lighter skin for cooler climates is not an explanation from a creationist point of view, the explanation is missing as to how these racial differences originated in the first place.

I understand skin becomes suntanned or darker in areas with more intense exposure to sunlight and visa versa, but what you are describing is essentially adaptive evolution and you don't seem to even realise it.

If we are talking about one individual being exposed to low levels of sunlight, the skin would naturally become paler, and conversely a heavily sunlit environment would be expected to create a suntanned or darker skin.

How does this exposure become fixed in generation genes and passed on to offspring, who are the same skin tones of their respective parents, when the offspring have yet to be exposed to low or high sun, without adapted genetic mutation for that skin tone being passed on in genes?

And of course, skin one is not the only racial trait in any of the racial groups...hair colour and type, tendency for certain facial commonality, susceptibility of racial groups to inherited genetic diseases such as sickle cell anaemia and a host of others, affecting only specific racial groups of one type or another.

Of course, we are all unquestionably of the human species, but racial groups adapting to their environments over time, is *exactly* what evolution is!

You have failed again.

Ethnicity is much more than your naive view which essentially boils down to a group having either receiving a lot of sunlight, or low levels of it...it is actually in reality a prime example of the mutation of human genetics, in response to exposer to certain environmental factors, which over time is precisely the crux of the theory of evolution.

Change of aspects in a species, based on environmental factors, inducing gradual genetic mutation, passed on to future generation.

I hadn't taken you for an evolutionist in creationist guise.

Just logged back on and read RG's wishy washy reply, (which he googled and got from a religious website)
And was more than happy that you had responded spikey, once again you have said everything I would have said and more - So for that I thank you
I don't have the patience to deal with RG any more, he is obviously relishing all the attention on here (verging on trolling in fact) and it is obvious that he is completely brainwashed and beyond help.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

This report comes from Robert Wyatt who has also claimed to have discovered Noah's ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the Ten Commandments. Wyatt claims to have recovered a wheel and had it tested by an Egyptian authority. To date no Egyptian authority has come forward to confirm Wyatt's claims and the wheel has not been seen since. Furthermore, following Wyatt's claims many people began diving in the same area and they too believed they had found chariot wheels. It turns out all of these claims were coral. Even Wyatt's own wife, who dived with Wyatt, states that the coral makes it look like there are chariot wheels all over the seabed.

Not only that, but all the Egyptian chariot wheels I've ever seen only had 4 spokes, and those "chariot wheels" have considerably more.

Here see this
Above, chariot wheels fixed to axels standing at attention on the seabed.



Golden Chariot Wheel ?



Egyptain Wheel painting


The Problem i see they look fairly new not much rusted!
Unless they are Metal made of Nonferrous Material


Red See Crossing
www.arkdiscovery.com...

Four, six and eight spoke wheels are found here in the gulf, and were only used at the same time during the 18th dynasty or 1446 BC when the exodus took place.

Egyptian Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea-Unproven!
www.truthorfiction.com...

Anyone believing in a young earth (6-10k years old) really needs to start reading and catch up with education. We live in the 21st century, USE the knowledge we have rather than limiting yourself to knowledge that's 2000 years old.

The same goes for that silly global flood we have ZERO objective proof for, and of course the (Christian/Islamic/Jewish) creation accounts...they're all complete and utter nonsense and have no bearing in reality IF you take them literally. Taking them literally is beyond ridiculous!

At least this poll, as well as similar ones on Gallup clearly show that people are waking up and starting to think objectively/rationally/logically...finally...

I don't care what you believe, even if you're blatantly ignoring facts (like that the earth isn't only 6000 years old) I'm ok with it. What I'm not ok with is when you pretend your BELIEF is fact, and when you try to convince others of that nonsense...and it's even worse if you're attacking real science when doing so.

It's like a group of people standing outside during a day of good weather, and while most point up and say the sky is blue, one guy (the one screaming the loudest) says the sky is red with green stripes

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Perfection is imperfection, to be honest. Reality demands imperfection, and that's why things with perfection, but the tiniest of laws, are the best in this reality.

Ironic I suppose. Purity of anything is never a good thing usually.

believe it as the Matrix in which the agent told the human that the first matrix they made was perfect....and every human died because of it.

reply to post by undo


once you get into specifics like clones or gods, your story kind of losses credence, primarily because we have no means to be sure any of those myths are anywhere near accurate. Surely you realize they've survived multiple collapses of civilization. I doubt they in any way meet what they once were. And as always, words sounding similar rarely actually are similar if they are single cases. After all, Egypt practically renamed and shuffled around their gods every couple of centuries. It's impossible to tell what one did what. For all we know at the time of Moses atum was the God of sex and good food. Would greatly help if we actually knew when Moses lived. But we don't. And as such, we cannot know. Because Egypt did not have a consistent culture. It was ruled by every nation under the sun, and collapsed 3 times before loosing its independence.
Simply put, your theory fits only if you change...everything.

reply to post by Wolfenz


My God doesn't exist in time. So it's not really that hard to hear everything if you exist as everything.

You're flawed in your thinking because you are looking at it as a human. God the father is not human.

I would imagine God needs angels because he cannot directly intervene. If he could, he would be observed, and in turn able to be changed or destroyed.



Yes, I would imagine angels would be lesser gods of some sort, but under control of God, or his enemies if he made them so. To put it in terms you might understand, if the United States was god and made robots, they would not be gods. They would be tools. Angels are no different. They are tools for God.


We do not know how the nephilim were made. It somewhat suggests mankind created them, but not by sex. Which suggests humans genetically engineered them. I've had a bit of a theory now for a while that humanity probably Resurrected the neanderthal. It somewhat fits the story. Though not fully.

Yes, we all do have a little god in us. God says so.


What does the Catholic church taking over pagan holidays have anything to do with if the religion is true or not?

Are you talking about Egyptian gods? You may have missed where I said Egypt pretty much changed their gods and names every couple of centuries or so. maybe h created himself at that time period, but 2000 years later he may have been created by the Roman Emperor and been god of the eclipse. We just don't know. Egypt has been ruled by practically every nation in the region, and each nation that ruled Egypt dumped some of its own beliefs into theirs. Egypt is not proof of anything, because their religion, in every way, is a piece of every other religion around them.


You continue to use human terms of only things humans have known. This is closed minded. There is no reason why something besides dimensions or reality exists. We just haven't discovered it yet, and I doubt we ever will

You're closed minded. Plain and simple. Only what makes sense do you believe, and you reject everything else. You might as well call yourself RevelationGeneration.

reply to post by Gorman91


well as i said before, i think before we were created/cloned/gated here, the planet was recovering from an ice age, after the destruction of the previous dispensation which is called the angelic dispensation (angels preceeded humans in the creation time table). at least 1 or 2 bipedal, upright, sentient species were here before we were, and all the artifacts suggest they were reptilian-mammalians or amphibian-mammalians. i personally don't think the fossils of neanderthal and cro-magnon, etc, were human predecessors in the way it's taught. i think they were reptilian-mammlians or amphibian-mammalians that we share some characteristics with, however, because we were cloned from part of their genetic materials. it all fits into place, once you take into account the writings of the oldest civilizations and their artifacts.

reply to post by undo


uh, no. It doesn't all fit into place once you actually look at the dna. In fact I'm pretty sure there is no scientific evidence for anything you just said.

It is more likely that God is dead and we evolved here naturally than for what you said to be true.