Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

reply to post by RevelationGeneration



Congratulations on making onto my top 10 DELUDED people list!

reply to post by Imtor

Still Darwin's theory can shut up.

Not until some devastating refutation you put up.

Do you think that from UGLY ASTRALOPHITECUS or UGLY APES our fur would fall, we would become beatiful? Because through mutation or evolution turning into somethign beatiful HELLO?

That is exactly what sexual selection does.

We look perfect. Can mutation and evolution perfect us so well? I think NOT. Give me a reason HOW evolution can make us so perfect in look, so clean and beatiful, so thinking compared to animals?

Perfect according to whom? Other human beings? We’re evolved to find each other attractive. That’s one of the reasons there are so many of us.

As for being perfectly adapted, we are not. When I meet this Ancient Alien Creator of yours, I want to have a quiet word in his ear about knees.

reply to post by kingofmd

Yeah they simply believe in made up stories by a seminary drop out who simply stole the beliefs of ancient Greeks in that life created itself (Darwin).

Cambridge University is not a seminary.

Darwin was not a dropout. He graduated from Cambridge in 1831 with a Bachelor of Arts degree.

The ancient Greeks did not believe ‘life created itself’, whatever that means.

Darwin’s theory tells us nothing about the origins of life, only about the origins of species.

Now, what was it you were trying to sell us again?

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by Sippy Cup

 

All science did was remove God and replaced it with “Big Bang” something the size of a pea or larger…just exploded with all the known matter we see today out of “NOTHING”….sounds familiar ,don’t it?

Although i respect your opinion Sippy Cup, i don't agree with it.

I don't think 'the Big Bang' or even science in general has 'replaced' a belief in a god or deity.

Science isn't a belief system at all...one doesn't 'believe' in science, we use science and scientific processes as a means to an end, largely that end is progression of one form or another, be it practical everyday progression or comprehension of the cosmos that envelops our world and many other things.

One doesn't have to 'believe' the planets of our system revolve around our star, we only have to look at the proof of this aided by the tools science and scientists have provided us, to know this absolute truth of solar system mechanics.

The same is true or will become true of everything else, at some point through a greater understanding of ourselves and our environments.

Science does NOT have all the answers however, obviously it is a linear process of hypothesis, theory, discovery, refinement and building upon all of these things. But simply because we do not yet have every answer to every question ever posited in mankind's wildest imaginations, does not nullify or diminish scientific principle, it merely opens up the opportunity for the promise that at some point science and mankind's own ingenuity will achieve comprehension of and answers to those questions.

Damn you're good spikey!

The most significant of all of the data suggests its still a tossup of Abiogenesis, and Panspermia theories of the origin of life on earth, which doesn't make sense to me that it would be required for earth to be seeded from a body in space with less of the conditions for life to evolve than it evolving right here in the Goldilocks zone of our solar system.

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by kingofmd

 

Now, what was it you were trying to sell us again?

that we were created by reptilians who had eternal life spans (read dragons, yeah the chinese were right), who cloned us in their image.
THEN, we were given the ability to procreate by some mammal dna splicing, then the big kahuna (who was an environmentalist) freaked out and said, we can't have our cloned creations procreating out of control. they'd wreck the place and then go out into the universe and wreck it too. so we got slapped with the nerf bat, a timer switch was programmed into our dna so it goes into a cascade event like the rest of the animals on the planet.

this would account for 1) bipedal uprights that aren't homo sapians who predated us but with whom we share characteristics, 2) mammal and reptilian dna, supporting the clues that we are related to the indigenous life forms on the planet that preceeded us.

and all that info, is in the ancient texts of people all over the world.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Believer101

 

Desiring the removal of anything as influential as Christianity is simply ignorant. I would no more desire it's removal as Islam nor any thing else. It's done things for us. Weather you like that or not, well suck it up, we're the better a species because of it. Sure I'd like them to convert, but I would never grab a time machine and remove it from existence.

Influential? Really? The only thing Christianity influences is ignorant, hateful, spiteful people who think they're better than everyone else. We're a better species because of Christianity? You have GOT to be joking. Considering Christians are the most hateful people out there, who will KILL someone for being different, not believing in your precious "god", or for even being homosexual, NO. We are NOT a better species because of Christianity. We're a better species because more people are starting to wake up and see the truth in you people.

reply to post by Believer101


the big problem with your approach to this topic is, that anybody riding the fence on these issues can see that you're not approaching the topic with an open mind or from a loving position. so your point gets lost in the negativity. it gets swallowed up in all the stereotyping and generational prejudices. i'm certainly not going to accept the deeds of others as my own deeds, so asking me to, is useless. and that's essentially what your post says: you are personally responsible for what other people have done. nopers. not going there. sorry no can do.

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by Astyanax
Now, what was it you were trying to sell us again?

that we were created by reptilians who had eternal life spans (read dragons, yeah the chinese were right), who cloned us in their image.

THEN, we were given the ability...

Well, if that’s what kingofmd was trying to sell us, he was doing a remarkably poor job of it.

However, undo, all that sounds a bit more like your personal bee-in-the-bonnet than his. Don’t forget I know you of old.

and all that info, is in the ancient texts of people all over the world.

Yes, I believe that’s what you’ve been trying to sell us, this past six years or more.

reply to post by Believer101


Yes, and what do you think those so-called woken up will do once one of their extremes get in power? Kill, but of course.

The only part of the bible that says it's ok to kill is with regards to the inhabitants of Canaan, which history has proven were pirates, rapists, and criminals. Hell even Egypt had a schedule of going there, killing everything, and then returning, just to keep them culled.

Besides that, not really. Of course, Israel did demand you leave if you did not follow their rules, but how unimaginable evil of them to create sanction cities to try and give you refuge should the nation become embroiled to kill you. Dayum, that almost sounds like *gasps*, checks and balances! But no, it's impossible for such evil hateful people to be so intelligent right?


You're logic is flawed good sir. If you judge anything by its adherents, then all mankind deserves to be put to the sword. Atheists have killed Christians, Christians have killed Jews, Jews have killed Muslims, and Muslims have killed all of the above. There is not one entity on this earth that has ever not killed. Hell, I think even the early Buddhists killed a few people. If not, I'd bet I'd find one such example with a bit of looking up.

Now, of course, if you put down your hatred, you'd see the positive contributions everyone has had to humanity. Christianity gave us many forms of architecture, the printing press, and even had a great deal in terms of formulating the early scientific method, before the Catholic church decided to be dicks. Islam gave us mathematics, preserved the ancient Greek's knowledge, and pretty much invented how we look at the stars. Even the Stoics of long ago contributed a great deal to the pursuit of science.

So how about you stop acting like the thing you claim you hate. Because the only person I see here parading to be better than everyone else is you.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Thank GOD the CREATOR understands what has been done here? Still an interesting mental/spiritual evaluation.

reply to post by Astyanax


i was being facetious cause i'm trying to redirect the angst in the thread. it's basically useless to blame each other, from my point of view, because i think both sides are right for different reasons.

Considering the audience for this survey, I am truly surprised at the large percentage of posters who believe in some form of Big "C" Creation.

Given my perceived make-up, and my positive impression of the membership in general of the ATS community, I would have thought that the "God did it" responses would have been statistically insignificant.

What hope do we have to improve our society, the state of political discourse in the country and the support for the pursuit of knowledge - Regardless where those insights may take you - when so many people cling to creation mythology and a creator as an answer to those questions.

At least they are not the majority

Originally posted by Leonidas
Considering the audience for this survey, I am truly surprised at the large percentage of posters who believe in some form of Big "C" Creation.

Given my perceived make-up, and my positive impression of the membership in general of the ATS community, I would have thought that the "God did it" responses would have been statistically insignificant.

What hope do we have to improve our society, the state of political discourse in the country and the support for the pursuit of knowledge - Regardless where those insights may take you - when so many people cling to creation mythology and a creator as an answer to those questions.

At least they are not the majority

there's nothing inherently ignorant in believing in science. essentially, if we were cloned (made in the likeness of), that's just advanced science. to say science is ignorant only if it's in ancient texts, is kinda well, confusing. nothing about the story of creation is non scientific once you know what it's talking about. it's getting to the spot where you know what it's talking about, that seems to be the most difficult step. one side doesn't want to learn it for themselves because they are satisfied with what other people tell them it says, and the other side doesn't want to learn it because they think it's a myth and why learn myths when there's reality to contend with.

i'd go so far as to say, there's nothing wrong with studying myth from the position that it might actually be factual at some level or another. holding the position that people who study "myths" and believe they contain truths is equivalent to ignorance, is to suggest that the sciences of archaeology and history, are useless constructs. i don't agree with that position.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


My post about bitterness was not directed at you but towards another member who had steam coming out of his ears. Just because you experienced some bitterness from a few Baptist churches doesn't mean you should condemn the whole church as being the same and its not anyone's fault but your own if you choose to do that. Maybe if you had actually listened and talked with them instead of trying to dictate to them who was evil and who wasn't then maybe you would have got some where.

As site owner i really don't mind what you believe whether that be aliens, evolution and whatever else that's your choice, fantasy is exciting i know, but i find it telling that you choose to reply to me though out of all people and stand up to defend the atheistic faith, atleast we know where you stand now, but i bet your glad this forum is mostly full of atheists i wouldn't be surprised if you start to remove religion altogether from the forum considering the bias your showing. I also think it was wrong for you to mix theistic evolution in with the last question of your pole, which was obviously intended to make some question there faith.

If "Truth" is discovered through a persons individual journey then that means there is no "absolute truth"? which would mean it would break the law of non-contradiction, so there has to be an absolute truth, and we find this in the bible.

There for your "personal truth" is not a truth at all, but merely your perception of reality which is far from the real truth of reality. This is a mistake i see many "truth seekers" make, they start off with an atheist mind set and in doing so they will never actually find the truth they are seekings about the true workings of life.

I am not Hardened to those who feel "no solace" in the teaching of Jesus Christ, we are simply aware that they are wrong, and are heading for eternal damnation unless they accept Jesus as there lord and savoir, which many men are unable to do because they are unable to swallow their pride and put someone else above them.

Lets be honest, the only hateful messages i see on these forums are from atheists. Its not in a Christians nature to want to write hateful or derogatory things about others but that seems to be all the atheist crowd does, and ive witnessed it on many forums not just this one, and even if i didn't believe in God i would hate to ever be associated with that group of people.

You feel illuminated do you? well that may be even more telling, i would not be surprised if your apart of the masonic order or another secret society, considering you own this site, is there a hidden agenda here? Who know's just speculation, but its quite telling when you say you feel "illuminated" and then go on to defend secularism..

The reason we reject what science discovers is because there method's of science are flawed from the word "Go".. They start off all there work from a secular world view so a possibility for a creator is not even considered, making the science highly bias and flawed. Evolution is not even solid science, their are actually thousands of scientists who reject it. Evolution does not fit in with the Biblical world view or scripture hence we reject it.

Like i said just because you fell from grace and got deceived into believing the evolution hoax and brought into secular science doesn't disprove the bible or the story of Genesis. All it means is your yet another person who has fallen for the grand deception evil forces have brought to this world. I'm sorry you fell away from faith and closed your eye's in the name of science, really i am, but you and many others who claim to have once believed remind me of a parable Jesus foretold...


"The sower soweth the word. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred."

— Mark 4:10-20

The seeds falling on the rocks represent those who hear the word, but only accept it shallowly - the synoptics state that these sorts of people reject the word as soon as it causes them affliction or persecution.

You were one of the seed's that fell on the rocks my friend, but its not too late, you still have time to repent and accept Jesus into your heart.

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

So....if Adman Eve are the first man and woman ever on earth .....and they had sons and daughters....then who did their sons and daughter marry and have children with?


The survey results are about what I expected.

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Ahh, you never heard the antidote. IF Adam and Eve's children existed, they would only be one step away from the original God creation with the fewest defects so incest would not create difficulties. As generations branched out they would be less and less related to the original, 3rd cousins 4th cousins etc. making no difficulties at all.

since some 20,000 guests took place in the poll, is there a way to give the results for just ATS members who participated?

in my mind, i don't think of guests as belonging to ATS as they don't participate, yet they're responsible for the majority of most votes. i enjoy the polls, but they aren't accurate measures of what ATS thinks.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

So....if Adman Eve are the first man and woman ever on earth .....and they had sons and daughters....then who did their sons and daughter marry and have children with?


The survey results are about what I expected.

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Ahh, you never heard the antidote. IF Adam and Eve's children existed, they would only be one step away from the original God creation with the fewest defects so incest would not create difficulties. As generations branched out they would be less and less related to the original, 3rd cousins 4th cousins etc. making no difficulties at all.

OR adam is a plural word, and as it says in genesis 1:27. adam was a race of males and females created in the image of the elohim (also a plural word). the solution is right in the text. the adam was a race of people, not a single first man, but a whole bunch of males and females. english translators put the word "man" where it originally said "adam." fer shame fer shame fer shame. hehe

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

The reason we reject what science discovers is because there method's of science are flawed from the word "Go".. They start off all there work from a secular world view so a possibility for a creator is not even considered, making the science highly bias and flawed. Evolution is not even solid science, their are actually thousands of scientists who reject it. Evolution does not fit in with the Biblical world view or scripture hence we reject it.

Science does not follow a world view. It follows the evidence. It is designed to be as objective as possible. As for the "scientists" who don't support evolution, how many are actually in the field of biology? How many studied at an accredited school? How many are published in peer-reviewed journals? There are more Christian biologists alone that support evolution than people that don't in every field of science. In fact there are more biologists named Steve that support evolution than those in every field of science that don't.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
So let me see if I can preach as hard as you:
ATS'ers are not ALL ape'eist loonies who have faith that a star(typically the central body of an accretion disk) can turn into a man if you throw a few billion years at it, nor do they all believe in other made up stories( that require faith) by some scientists so that they could get some more funding and some temporary fame.

"We", life ... are in reality nothing but chemical reaction, whose purpose is to collect the energy from the Sun and turn it into material, for the purpose of having this planet grow.

Religion, is merely human insanity, that fears death and wishes for eternal life. Humans stargase, in search of proof, that they indeed can succeed in being eternal ...

The Universe is a chaotic collision of matter, without a beginning, and without an end.