Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

Originally posted by Jim Scott
I have a great education from one of the top ten universities. I have spent a lot of years considering both sides of the problem.

OK
Moving along...

I believe in the science 100%.

There are some issues. But more will be revealed as we explore and learn.

I do not believe that God is so weak that He has to take billions of years. Therefore, the only logical conclusion that melds both the aged universe and the creation is that the universe was created instantly,

So...

On the one hand you believe in an infinite God capable of anything but on the other want to constrain him to our limited way of thinking and time frame? Also, if he is infinite [I believe he is] why would it be considered weak if he went about his business utilizing everything he created [Down to the quantum level and smaller] from scratch [The Big Bang] at his pace [Billions of years to us, a split NANO second to him]?

He is the Alpha and the Omega. So in other words, the game is already over right when it started as far as he is concerned.

but appearing aged. I'm ok with that.

Why bother making it appear aged?
Who is he trying to fool and why?

I can make furniture that looks aged. If I can do that, I'm sure God can do it with His furniture...etc.

Well before you make your furniture you would need a tree. Start with making a tree from scratch atom by atom, molecule by molecule starting at the sub atomic level where Newtonian law breaks down and no longer applies and then work your way back up and then make your furniture look aged.

Any other belief in God would be a God who is not omnipotent. A God who is not omnipotent, if He is the One True God, is not God. By definition, God must be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, as a minimum.

True....

An all powerful all knowing God which would have set everything in motion and knew how every cell he genetically programed would eventually [On his terms and time frame] develop into all sorts of creatures according to a plan he created from the very beginning in a split second or faster [he is infinite]. He would know where every particle [infinitely small] from the moment of creation [Big Bang] would eventually end up [Remember he is all powerful and all knowing] "infinite" So he would have had it all planned out before it ever occurred.

This isn't a sign of weakness but rather a real sign of being truly omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient

Therefore, an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent God created the Universe instantly, but appearing aged.

Right...

Questions?

Nope, none at all
Closes the box flaps and walks away untethered...

Originally posted by Centurionx





You laugh at something you have no understanding of, it sounds strange to you so you mock me. You have no sight, no vision, no heart, no soul.

YOU ARE EMPTY, my friend.

from your perspective...

Originally posted by PieKeeper
Looks like we're doing a good job here in Origins and Creationism. Majority of poll takers are scientifically informed, which is fantastic.

Keep up the good work everyone.

edit on 29-8-2011 by PieKeeper because: (no reason given)

This is a totally wrong assertion.

The last question, is in reality, the most important one. It is this one question that actually says, how many are "actually" scientifically oriented. Biological evolution, states a random mutation and evolution of life. Random, being a key word here. If you think there is a supernatural entity at work, you are no longer thinking scientifically ... you are thinking creationism.

So this question alone, is the one most important question of them all. It could in reality, all have been reduced to one question.

I agree with you - it is a sorry state of affairs when masses still cannot discerne the difference between spirituality and religion. Spirituality has nothing to do with religion. Religion has been infiltarted masively and is but a means of controlling the masses in Machiavellian ways.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


3 And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters. 5 So all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died. As you can see from this Scripture he also had daughters. No offence to your self but if people read The Bible then they would also know this too, he did not only have two Sons. I hope that this helps you out.


I have not read the bible, but could you explain how ethnicity came about then please?

Originally posted by Jim Scott
Therefore, an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent God created the Universe instantly, but appearing aged.

Questions?

In this video, Dr Hazen admits that is a possibility that science can't rule out.



The question he asks is, "Why would God do that?". I have the same question.

The main problem scientists have with it even though they can't rule it out, is that it suggests the very foundation of science is flawed, meaning scientists trust their observations that the Earth is ancient, and if they can't trust their observations, science may be irrelevant. Since scientists chose science as a profession, obviously they feel science is not irrelevant.

Originally posted by MConnalley

Originally posted by Centurionx





You laugh at something you have no understanding of, it sounds strange to you so you mock me. You have no sight, no vision, no heart, no soul.

YOU ARE EMPTY, my friend.

from your perspective...

Perhaps, but our perspective is what counts. You don't have to take my words to heart, but than again I'm not the only one saying it. We are everywhere. Soon to be revealed. Follow truth, not what I say.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Originally posted by GmoS719
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

I figured more people would lean towards creation.
hmmm.
I'll pray for the world today.

ATSers are not religious loonies who believe in made up stories created by organized religion so they could make a buck and get power.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

edit on 29-8-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Looks like the ape'eists/atheists preach their faith in no GOD harder than those who believe in a GOD on here, interesting.

Anyway with 51% disagreeing with "The universe and all it entails was created by a "supernatural entity" of infinite age, wisdom, and power", I wouldnt call that a landslide victory, basically only half disagreeing.

So let me see if I can preach as hard as you:
ATS'ers are not ALL ape'eist loonies who have faith that a star(typically the central body of an accretion disk) can turn into a man if you throw a few billion years at it, nor do they all believe in other made up stories( that require faith) by some scientists so that they could get some more funding and some temporary fame.

Not sorry to burst your bubble.

This thread will only bring on useless arguments of their belief. Most people here dont believe in God because of the religions, they are in the illusion of religion=God which is very ignorant. The other part of it are just religious zombies. This thread is useless and full of hate and disrespect of others belief (or illusion).

Originally posted by StarBoy
This thread will only bring on useless arguments of their belief. Most people here dont believe in God because of the religions, they are in the illusion of religion=God which is very ignorant. The other part of it are just religious zombies. This thread is useless and full of hate and disrespect of others belief (or illusion).

I agree to a point, but coming from you who just called people who choose to follow a religion "zombies" it holds no water, not a single drop.

If you mods find it too much text to quote, then create HIDDEN TAGS / SPOILER for the forum? problem solved.

Originally posted by Imtor
Universe, planets, life is natural, they all appeared by themselves by the particles and energy or anything that forms matter (call it even vibration at frequency except I dont believe dimensions but any way in which matter is formed).

Then there was the Australopithecus among all these life forms on Earth that some evolved into plants, others into animals. So far all sounds normal right? Natural evolution from amebas and other microorganisms to bigger species.Darwin is right about evolution until the Australopithecus and early human ancestors.

There was some evolution. Now the big line that separates ones from others is that the modern human or the one that became a distinct thinking being a) evolved into the modern human or b) actually had enhanced evolution.

There is a big scientific side and this is not some conspiracy, that shows inconsistencies with Darwin's theory of evolution.

I personally think that we MAY have been mixed with astralopithecus or whatever other ancestor that suddenly made a rapid change in the skull shape and all... So I think there is likely both evolution and genetic engineering.

Here is a site why Darwin's theory can be wrong:
www.guardian.co.uk...

SO you might wanna rethink Darwin's theory even if here this other scientific view talks about viruses and other errors in the DNA this article does not talk about aliens. But still, whether aliens or other alterations of DNA Darwin's theory is't very correct or fully correct. PERIOD

Ok, die hard creationnists. Here's one for you.

Our species, today, on planet earth, comprises quite a few genetical ethnic backgrounds. I'll over simplify, just for kicks.

We have :

Black people

White (caucasian) people

Asian people

Native-american people

Semitic people

If I'm correct, that adds up to five. And I'm grossly oversimplifying.

How then do you get FIVE different ethnicities, when your genetic building material for the human species (no matter how perfect it is- I've heard that one before) originates from only TWO individuals ?

And here it is, your very own catch 22.

If you agree with this postulate, then the Adam and Eve fairytale falls apart.
If you motion against this postulate, then you're basically saying that genes don't exist (which would be fairely retarded given that we can CLONE things, and create GMO's).

The only way for you to come to terms with the 'fore-mentioned paradigm, (unless god created a whole bunch of other folks he did'nt tell you about), is by ACCEPTING that a GENETICAL EVOLUTION took place at some stage.

Which is actually hilariously IRONIC.

Originally posted by Ismail
Ok, die hard creationnists. Here's one for you.

Our species, today, on planet earth, comprises quite a few genetical ethnic backgrounds. I'll over simplify, just for kicks.

We have :

Black people

White (caucasian) people

Asian people

Native-american people

Semitic people

If I'm correct, that adds up to five. And I'm grossly oversimplifying.

How then do you get FIVE different ethnicities, when your genetic building material for the human species (no matter how perfect it is- I've heard that one before) originates from only TWO individuals ?

And here it is, your very own catch 22.

If you agree with this postulate, then the Adam and Eve fairytale falls apart.
If you motion against this postulate, then you're basically saying that genes don't exist (which would be fairely retarded given that we can CLONE things, and create GMO's).

The only way for you to come to terms with the 'fore-mentioned paradigm, (unless god created a whole bunch of other folks he did'nt tell you about), is by ACCEPTING that a GENETICAL EVOLUTION took place at some stage.

Which is actually hilariously IRONIC.

I refer to my above post "Can you explain how ethnicity came about then"

Well said though, and I am looking forward to you getting a peply

reply to post by Ozvaldo


Sorry mate, I didn't see that.

Well, you know what they say about great minds...

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Judging others? That is not my intention at all. The Bible tells us to expose false prophets and that's simply what im doing...

Oh please. False prophets?? Is that how you get your kicks? You think that because others don't necessarily agree with your almighty stance against "evolution" and "science" make them false prophets?? What's next? Butter VS. I can't believe it's not butter?? Unfortunately, you are contributing to the fall of Christianity whether you like it or not. This judgmental stance you have against those who try to think outside the box, (respect for God enough not to put him/her in your box) is suffocating your primary goal which should include: To_show_people_how_to_have_a_relationship_with_the_almighty.

You have decided on a few occasions now to ignore my posts. THIS ONE is a good example. You're playing high and mighty on your high horse, and have been this whole thread. Take it down a few notches and you might get the respect you think you deserve. Acting arrogant and judgmental will NOT prove your case.

PS: did you even bother to look at the thread I Iinked earlier on religion?

reply to post by Vitchilo


Hey...who you calling a loonie ?

Based on these results, I come to the conclusion that only 16.9% of ATSers have an open mind

I'm not surprised.

reply to post by Wookiep


To_show_people_how_to_have_a_relationship_with_the_almighty.

Exactly. This is what it is all about, not looking down on others, but lifting them up to your status, which is oneness with creator source. It is not cool to attain the light and laugh at those in darkness. Believe me if they could see the chaotic realm(let alone experience it) they would tremble and cry, they would never wish that even on their worst enemy. And never would they judge again.

Pretty soon the religious(and everyone else for that matter) will have to seriously rethink where they stand, and everything they thought they knew will come into question. Everyone's ego will be brought low, pride comes before the fall.

"The times they are a changin' "

I hope that now, at least, we shall have an end to threads in the O&C forum that are nothing more than apologetics and propaganda for the tenets of degenerate hysteria-cults that incorrectly label themselves ‘Christian’.

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Welcome Astyanax, it's always good to see you show up in these kind of threads. We always seem to cross paths on this subject!