Galileo got it wrong: Catholics

Holly Hell!! OK, well think about it. The fact that religious fanatics still think the univers revolves arround earth really reflect their view of the world, wich is "they are right and we are wrong". Very egocentric, narcissistic and what have you. I'm not saying that they're bad people just that their unquestionable devotion to the most organised of religions has clouded their judgement. Being indoctrinated in whatever subject will narrow your field of vision and make it that much harder to think outside the box. Like I said before, it's great way to keep people devided. A people devided is a people easily controled.

Originally posted by Kryties

Galileo got it wrong: Catholics

au.news.yahoo.com

Scientists have got it wrong - Earth really is the centre of the universe, according to a group of staunch Catholics who refuse to believe otherwise.

"A few conservative Roman Catholics are pointing to a dozen Bible verses and the church's original teachings as proof that Earth is the centre of the universe, the view that was at the heart of the church's clash with Galileo Galilei four centuries ago," The Chicago Tribune has reported.

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what else can we expect from a bunch of fools who gave us the Dark Ages?

reply to post by Gorman91


There are other references that imply a flat earth, 4 corners of the earth, the earth is fixed and does not move, how could "satan" take Jesus on top of a mountain and show him all the nations of the earth if it isn't flat? More disc shaped actually. I am not arguing with you, it's just that some christians do believe this.

reply to post by aero56


How could Noah fit all the world's species in a little ship? I have no clue. But just because it doesn't seem so, doesn't mean it isn't so. Furthermore, we still use the term "4 corners of the globe" till this day, and indeed, the ancient Greeks used it too and various other peoples. The usage of such a thing does not give credence to the actual form of the world, but rather, the usage of a common saying. As for pillars? the world is on them. We just call it Gravity today. The pillars of this world d still stand, and always have stood.
Point is, can you actually find me a place it physically describes the shape of the world? Because what I just gave you does infer, but doesn't say, that it is quite spherical. Mind you this is just one generation after Christ being showed the world atop a mountain.

For all we know, Satan had a whole security system of satellites around the world atop that mountain. We simply so not know. Lack of description how does not mean it has to be any one way.

Assumption is what you are doing. You assume that because it says it one way, it means that way always and forever. The word of God is for ever, but the things people use are not. We know longer move by camel and caravan, but that doesn't make passages for such things irrelevant today. Now thy are truck drivers, and family cars. The context remains the same, as mankind evolves and changes what he uses.

Hell, in some translations, Noah's ark seems to be made of plywood. As knowledge is lost, people replace words with relevant ones. His boat was made with this wood, or that wood. In some places, Christ was hanged, because crucifixes were not something known. The meaning is still there. The context is still there. The emotion is still there. This is also why there isn't one testimony of Christ, but several. Several different perspectives from different cultures, to apply to different communities.

reply to post by Gorman91


I, personally, am not assuming anything. I clearly stated what some christians believe, and I know some who do believe the flat earth theory.

reply to post by Gorman91


To be completely honest I have never considered sayings like "Four corners of the Earth" to be anything more than descriptive references to the enormity and variety of this planet.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Gorman91

 

To be completely honest I have never considered sayings like "Four corners of the Earth" to be anything more than descriptive references to the enormity and variety of this planet.

makes me wonder... Have I ever used that term only to confuse someone who had been living under an even bigger rock than me into thinking I thought the world was flat.

reply to post by aero56


I mean in theory it's true....in some very alien physics and dimensions....not perceivable to humans...in the quantum blah blah blah blah... you get my point.

A sure sign that it's stupid and probably wrong is if it's unnecessarily complex, when dealing at things at our scale. Obviously things smaller and larger need more complex explanation, but yea. Those Christians are wrong. Simple as that. And that doesn't make them not-christian. It simply makes them misinformed. And perhaps explains a great deal why God made it really simple to get into heaven. Faith, in reality, is a lot easier for salvation than facts.

That doesn't mean to ignore facts. Nor does it mean the Bible says to ignore facts. The Bible just is left ambiguous in many areas, and to me that seems to mean preparation that the world is not fully known. Knowledge, to me at least, not capable for exiled Hebrews lost in Persia.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by 547000

 

It's really this simple - if the Sun and planets revolved around Earth then how is it that all of our deep space satellites have gone exactly where we tell them too? How have we landed multiple rovers on Mars, sent satellites to orbit the Sun and sent probes into deep space if our orbital dynamics mathematics is wrong?

Its all an illusion that the devil made to confuse you. The earth is flat and DOGMA is your master. OBEY.

First - No more space ships.
Then - No more telescopes.
Next - No more books.
And finally - The Guillotine.

The earth will be flat again, damnit. Shut up, punk.:

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Couldn't help myself, sorry

Aaaah, once again we come to practice one of ATS favourite sports: catholic bashing.

By the title of your thread and the logic that seems to run rampant in many of the posters opinions, catholics are a dark sect that feasts on the blood of the gullible and the innocent.

By that logic:

Yes, SOME catholics fiddle children
ergo, ALL catholics are raving despicable pedophiles.

Yes, SOME catholics believe that the universe revolves around the earth,
ergo, ALL catholics are retrograde cavemen.

And so on and so forth.

Using your same logic, just by reading this single opinion of yours, I could safely conclude that you are an intolerant bigot who cannot stand people thinking differently.

You see, the problem with blanket generalizations, is that eventually you become what you detest.

Free your mind.

Originally posted by RadioKnecht
Aaaah, once again we come to practice one of ATS favourite sports: catholic bashing.

Not really. I see an relatively equal amount of bashing toward all main religions here on ATS.

By the title of your thread

Copied directly from the news source, as per ATS rules.

and the logic that seems to run rampant in many of the posters opinions,

What logic? That the Earth isn't the centre of the Universe nor is it flat? You mean THAT logic?

catholics are a dark sect that feasts on the blood of the gullible and the innocent.

Well, now that you mention it.......

Originally posted by Kryties

What logic? That the Earth isn't the centre of the Universe nor is it flat? You mean THAT logic?

No, THIS Logic, which you seem to support:

Originally posted by Kryties
Galileo got it wrong: Catholics

My point is that the title of your thread is misleading, and follows the same fallacious logic that I put forth in the syllogisms that you conveniently left our of your reply.

By the same token, some methodists believe that the earth was created 5,000 years ago, ergo ALL methodists believe so.

Some bankers do drugs, ergo ALL bankers do drugs.

You shouldn't make blanket generalizations, as more often than not, you'll be getting it wrong.


ETA: Your image with the brief history of humankind is absolutely hilarious. I'm making it my own!!

Originally posted by RadioKnecht
No, THIS Logic, which you seem to support:

Originally posted by Kryties
Galileo got it wrong: Catholics

My point is that the title of your thread is misleading, and follows the same fallacious logic that I put forth in the syllogisms that you conveniently left our of your reply.

No offence mate, but have you read the ATS Terms and Conditions - specifically the section which states members MUST use the EXACT headline of the news source they are quoting? You seem to be implying that I CHOSE to write that headline in that manner and therefore am choosing to make a blanket statement about Catholics. I AM NOT.

This is quite apart from the fact that several lines below that headline it specifically states that the article is referring to ""A few conservative Roman Catholics" not the entire bloody religion.

You are trying to start a fight where no fight is to be had mate.

reply to post by RadioKnecht


Comprehensive 'Breaking Alternative News' Forum Posting Guidelines

[color=gold]3). Copy and paste the EXACT headline as it appears in the original news article. Do not create or sensationalize your titles.

Originally posted by Kryties

No offence mate, but have you read the ATS Terms and Conditions - specifically the section which states members MUST use the EXACT headline of the news source they are quoting? You seem to be implying that I CHOSE to write that headline in that manner and therefore am choosing to make a blanket statement about Catholics. I AM NOT.

This is quite apart from the fact that several lines below that headline it specifically states that the article is referring to ""A few conservative Roman Catholics" not the entire bloody religion.

You are trying to start a fight where no fight is to be had mate.

edit on 30/8/2011 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

No offence taken whatsoever, bro!! I don't think I sounded like trying to get into an argument. If I appeared a little bit stern in making my point come accross I apologize. Sorry!

You're absoluetely right on the T&Cs part, and now that I've read your reply I think we are actually on the same page.

Take care!

Technically, they are correct. We are at the center of the observable universe. We are not at the center of the actual universe however.

reply to post by RadioKnecht

My point is that the title of your thread is misleading, and follows the same fallacious logic that I put forth in the syllogisms that you conveniently left our of your reply.

If you're going to be picky; perhaps the "Galileo got it wrong" should have surrounded by quotations.

reply to post by BIGPoJo


Precisely. For all we know we could be smack in the middle, or near the edge of the actual Universe.