Galileo got it wrong: Catholics

Originally posted by 547000
Have you studied why the earth orbits the sun for yourself, or have you taken it on faith what the universities and scientists say? Unless you have, it is double facepalm time.

Yup...have a degree in Geography and a minor in Earth Science....Take any physics or astronomy...you often redo experiments from the past to show how past scientists came up with the conclusions they did. And be the logical man that I am....Science is right...

I was also raised Catholic. All the way through confirmation. The difference between the two I noticed was no matter what happened religion told me to ignore it and keep my faith....if something changed in science...science admitted the change and searched further for answers.

Religion is a joke...get rid of religion and you clear up so much violence.

On topic: I am not surprised at all...there are always a few groups trying to distinguish themselves amongst the others..especially in religion.

Originally posted by Kryties

Galileo got it wrong: Catholics

au.news.yahoo.com

Scientists have got it wrong - Earth really is the centre of the universe, according to a group of staunch Catholics who refuse to believe otherwise.

"A few conservative Roman Catholics are pointing to a dozen Bible verses and the church's original teachings as proof that Earth is the centre of the universe, the view that was at the heart of the church's clash with Galileo Galilei four centuries ago," The Chicago Tribune has reported.

(visit the link for the full news article)

A few conservative Roman Catholics are apparently saying this - out of how many million people in the Roman Catholic church? The title of this thread is very misleading.

When you think about it we are at the center of the universe, if you use our planet as a point of reference.

Not being religous I would not put us being the center as gods work myself but as long as the people that beleive it is his work are'nt in control I say let them ramble on like the loonies they are.

One thing religious people always say is "you have to have faith" my response is "to have faith means you have to have one eye closed to logic and the other to reason"

Originally posted by something wicked
A few conservative Roman Catholics are apparently saying this - out of how many million people in the Roman Catholic church? The title of this thread is very misleading.

The rules of quoting news articles on ATS states that I have to copy the headline AS IS without modification. Blame the news agencies.

earth technically is.

the universe doesn't have physical walls that designate it's end, it instead loops in on itself so that if you were to travel in a straight line, you would end up exactly where you started. kind of like that old arcade game asteroids, you go off the "edge" and appear on the opposite side.

if the universe is represented by a circle, the diameter would be the farthest straight line that can be traveled without overlap. the radius would represent the distance from earth to the farthest point from earth (the wall of the circle).

it's all perspective, and technically everyone is at the center of the universe, just as everyone has their own personal clock relative to time, and how light speed is also relative to the observer.

having said all that, these catholics are tossers. their definition of "center" isn't the same as the above one, and using vague scripture references as scientific fact is foolish. if all of the bible is taken as literal scientific fact, then these catholics would have to believe that there is only one moon in the whole universe, after all, the bible says god created "THE" moon.

-When they come knocking on my door every Sunday at 7 AM

Thats the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons, Catholics dont go door to door

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by something wicked
A few conservative Roman Catholics are apparently saying this - out of how many million people in the Roman Catholic church? The title of this thread is very misleading.

The rules of quoting news articles on ATS states that I have to copy the headline AS IS without modification. Blame the news agencies.

Hi, understood but it doesn't change the fact that it's misleading even though I appreciate you are only quoting as per the news agency headline.

This is no more shocking than people still believing in God in general, in this day and age.

reply to post by Kryties


Please don't blame a whole church for the opinion of a few loonies. That's like blaming Islam for Osama.

reply to post by Gorman91


I didn't mate. The OP quite clearly says "A few conservative Roman Catholics" - and at no point in my OP or this thread have I suggested otherwise. In fact, I believe my joking about 'people like this still existing' reinforced the fact that I recognised this was merely a small group of Catholics, not the whole lot.

Please read threads more carefully in future

reply to post by Kryties


If you are a Bible believer, however, the Bible teaches a flat earth theory, with the earth being the center of the universe, from cover to cover.

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Originally posted by Kryties

Ahhh.....so we get to the crux of the issue - it's actually about the Catholic Church (**ehem** Roman Empire **cough cough**) losing it's tight-fisted grip on the world at large because of the 'heresy' of Science.

Yes people, they do exist! Hard to believe, but herein lies the proof.

(visit the link for the full news article)

But I realize I'm knit picking.

reply to post by aero56


Actually the bible doesn't say much in terms of the shape of the Earth, though there is one part that seems to suggest, though not say, that the world is round.


Ecclesiastes 1

4A generation is going, and a generation is coming, and the earth to the age is standing. 5Also, the sun hath risen, and the sun hath gone in, and unto its place panting it is rising there. 6Going unto the south, and turning round unto the north, turning round, turning round, the wind is going, and by its circuits the wind hath returned.

Again it only suggests, not actually says it.

reply to post by Gorman91


/sigh

I was simply pointing out that those small group of nutjobs WITHIN the Catholic Church were actually, when you get to the crux of it, talking of the loss of the churches power. At no point in time did I allude otherwise. The bloody news article I quoted was the one that said it, not me.

And yes, you are nitpicking. At least get it right when you do so

reply to post by Kryties


True, I'm sorry.

reply to post by blackcube


But, look at it this way too, science is also a belief. We believe everything that science has allegedly "proved". Do we really "know" that the earth is not in the center of the universe? We tend to "believe" what science says, not so much different from what "religious" folks do when it comes to their faith.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Kryties

 

If you are a Bible believer, however, the Bible teaches a flat earth theory, with the earth being the center of the universe, from cover to cover.

I know, at one point in time during my youth I may have even believed so myself.

Then I got better!

reply to post by Gorman91


Apology accepted

reply to post by aero56


Science has scientific evidence that is universally true. Such is why it is more than faith. Science does not say it is right, it says this is what the data shows.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Kryties

 

If you are a Bible believer, however, the Bible teaches a flat earth theory, with the earth being the center of the universe, from cover to cover.

Not really.