De-constructing: D4rk Kn1ght; A confession. Guilt makes me post this

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
In addition, "D4rk Kn1ght" posted a "good bye" thread (now trashed as we don't allow those) that implied an admission that at least some of his material was fiction. He said: "I have contributed art" as the opening statement of his good bye.

Trashed as in - deleted? If not deleted, can we get a link? If deleted, WHY? If the thread you said existed, it can be moved to the General forum, can't it? Why delete it? He brought up a big issue, then you found out his story is a hoax, and instead of informing people by letting people read the goodbye thread (so that they are aware the story is a hoax), you deleted it? In other words, you deleted the ONLY evidence you had, that DK has (indirectly) admitted his story was a hoax? Interesting.

reply to post by Cerridwen

Are you saying SkepticOverlord is lying, now? I'm still amazed why this is so hard for some of you guys to understand. DK was a hoaxer, and it's been proven. The thread was deleted, because ATS doesn't allow those things anymore, which was already explained.

In 6 weeks, when nothing happens, are some of you still going to believe him?

Originally posted by Cerridwen

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
In addition, "D4rk Kn1ght" posted a "good bye" thread (now trashed as we don't allow those) that implied an admission that at least some of his material was fiction. He said: "I have contributed art" as the opening statement of his good bye.

Trashed as in - deleted? If not deleted, can we get a link? If deleted, WHY? If the thread you said existed, it can be moved to the General forum, can't it? Why delete it? He brought up a big issue, then you found out his story is a hoax, and instead of informing people by letting people read the goodbye thread (so that they are aware the story is a hoax), you deleted it? In other words, you deleted the ONLY evidence you had, that DK has (indirectly) admitted his story was a hoax? Interesting.

Kind of like dumping Osama overboard, eh? Having the thread, like having the body, would be helpful. I agree.

reply to post by TravisT


I actually think you're right!! After six weeks and nothing happens instead of apologising for believing his rubbish, some people will be on here making excuses and for what, a known banned hoaxer.
You have to laugh really or you'd loose hope in humanity.

reply to post by Kurokage


Personally I will never apologise for believing him. You can bad-mouth, remove threads, post hoax or join the ever increasing numbers who when faced with any other prophecy would just say "Time will tell", but no, not with DKs warning. Ive seen child murderers given more respect than he is getting and all this as his date gets closer. Makes you wonder eh.

respects

Originally posted by captiva
Ive seen child murderers given more respect than he is getting and all this as his date gets closer. Makes you wonder eh.

What are you even talking about? You've seen murderers get more respect than DK? Most of the people in this thread are pro-DK. And no, it doesn't "make me wonder" why some can see how much of a hoaxer he was, when most of the stuff he said that would lead up to the dark knight hasn't been more out of ordinary than regular UFO sightings.

Supporting a known hoaxer is going against everything that ATS stands for. And after the 28th, I would find it shameful to be supportive of someone who basically terrorized the board with doomsday hoaxes.

"Supporting a known hoaxer is going against everything that ATS stands for. And after the 28th, I would find it shameful to be supportive of someone who basically terrorized the board with doomsday hoaxes."

It realy was a 100% certainty that you would follow my post. You say "Basically terrorized the board?" I rest my case,

respects

Originally posted by captiva
"Supporting a known hoaxer is going against everything that ATS stands for. And after the 28th, I would find it shameful to be supportive of someone who basically terrorized the board with doomsday hoaxes."

It realy was a 100% certainty that you would follow my post. You say "Basically terrorized the board?" I rest my case,

respects

edit on 20-9-2011 by captiva because: (no reason given)

You rest your case? What case did you have? When the 29th comes, and nothing came on the 28th, that means he came onto the board, and terrorized people into thinking that the end was near, and that people should sell everything they own, and go into hiding. You of all people should know some members were taking him very seriously back in the day. If that's not terrorizing people, I don't know what is.....

reply to post by TravisT


I took him seriously. I read his one and only thread that was written by him. I heard his words and researched not just what he said and wrote, but more than that. I dont feel terrorized in any way, nor did the many people who followed the 2006 thread.

Everyone has the right to believe or not and to make a wrong choice or not. Whether that wrong choice is to go into the wild and survive, or to loose everything on bad advice. Please dont let your ego tell you that you have the right to decide for others about whether they were terrorized or not.

Did Serge Monast terrorize us when in 1994 he released the project bluebeam disclosure, or when he spoke at the free press of Quebec conference? No, he didnt. So why should DK raise your emotions so much? The 28th is not long away.

Lets see what the future brings............

Everyone has the right to believe or not and to make a wrong choice or not. Whether that wrong choice is to go into the wild and survive, or to loose everything on bad advice. Please dont let your ego tell you that you have the right to decide for others about whether they were terrorized or not.
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Lets see what the future brings............

Of course everyone has the right to believe whatever they choose to believe and to make choices for themselves.

But, consider this: D4rk Kn1ght came here and advocated selling up and living in a cave because of various events that he said were about to happen. People defended him and believed him.

You've all now been told that he was a hoaxer. A clear indication that he didn't have your best interests at heart, the way he claimed to.

Other people have have posted until they are blue in the face, hoping to prevent impressionable people from ruining their lives. Not for the sake of their own egos, but out of concern for others. Me included.

And yet we are the sort of people who have been accused of being trolls.

Some people really ought to offer an apology for the way they've treated other members who only wanted them to think carefully before they went haring off to live in a cave.

I didn't really care what other people did with their lives, no skin off my nose. Until I came here and saw the very real possibility that someone might chuck up everything on the word of some guy on the internet.

Imagine the hoaxer, with a grudge against ATS, sitting there laughing as fellow members seriously considered going to live in a foreign country, away from their roots and culture, to sit in a cave and wait out a few lights in the sky and an alien invasion or some such.

And in Nepal - a country that was suffering some instability. A place where Westerners would stick out like a sore thumb as they trooped down to the local village for supplies and then disappeared back to their cave.

Oh, but let's not forget, DK and his merry band went and found some different caves to avoid the problems in Nepal. Just up and left and went to other caves on another continent. Sorry, but honestly......

When I first joined ATS I noticed many threads about the world ending in 2012. I contributed to one, trying to convince a young man not to give up on his studies because he'd be in trouble if the world didn't end.

I think that the point some people miss about these end of the world scenarios is that, in many ways, it's the easier option. The world ends, we all go to hell in a hand cart and that's it.

If the world doesn't end we all have to struggle on for the next few decades, studying, working, finding enough to eat, paying the bills. Trying to find some purpose to our mundane little lives. Trying to exist on the scraps the elite still allow us.

Please, anyone who thinks D4rk Kn1ghts critics are trolls or egotists, stop to think that some of us were genuinely concerned about the safety and well-being of the people who believed him.

OK, what if he's right? October 28th comes around and everything kicks off. Wouldn't you prefer it that you'd made the most of your last few years since his original thread? Gone to school, advanced your careers, bought a nice house, enjoyed time with your families?

Or would you envy those people who spent the last few years shivering in a cave, away from the comforts you enjoy. And unlikely to survive anyway. Because that's what D4rk Kn1ght would have wanted for you.

Seriously, who deserves to be labelled a troll?

Maaannn.......just when I was getting into this thread and D4rk Knight's original thread. Well, both are quite interesting and all. I guess I should have read all the way to page 22 before spending time searching for "Dark Knight" on the internet. On page one, solargeddon mentioned it was spelled exactly "Dark Knight" for a reason.

Well, whether it is a hoax or not, I will still post the two links I found. Take it as you will.

Dark Knight LTAT Training in Iraq 1

and

Dark Knight LTAT Training in Iraq 2

Both links about Dark Knight in Iraq. I guess I should stick with the Visions and Dreams threads as I enjoy them and do like to hear what people say. I do believe in dreams, I had one about Hurricane Katrina (nothing big, but still was quite interesting to realize I had a dream about it a year before it happened).


IWOH

Originally posted by captiva
Everyone has the right to believe or not and to make a wrong choice or not. Whether that wrong choice is to go into the wild and survive, or to loose everything on bad advice. Please dont let your ego tell you that you have the right to decide for others about whether they were terrorized or not.

The guy was a known hoaxer, banned before he even had the DK account for hoaxing as well, and you're trying to tell me that if people actually up and sold all of their stuff over a hoax, that he wasn't in any way shape or form terrorizing peoples lives? Hell, even if they didn't sell anything, if people were actually scared over something he deliberately knew wasn't going to happen, that would still be terrorizing lives. Do you even know the definition of "terrorize"?

And please don't let your obvious ignorance get in the way of believing something that has been all but verified as a hoax.

I've seen this date before... here...

Originally posted by TravisT
reply to post by Cerridwen

 

Are you saying SkepticOverlord is lying, now? I'm still amazed why this is so hard for some of you guys to understand. DK was a hoaxer, and it's been proven. The thread was deleted, because ATS doesn't allow those things anymore, which was already explained.

In 6 weeks, when nothing happens, are some of you still going to believe him?

1st of, my question was meant for SO to answer. So pls, unless you're SO, let him reply himself, if he wants to. Don't be ATS rent-a-cop.

2ndly, I don't remember saying that he lied - that was your own assumption. So pls, keep your assumptions to yourself.

3rdly, if I wanna ask anything, it's my prerogative. What I understand, or what I don't understand, it's none of your business.

And last but not least - AGAIN, PLS, let SO himself do the answering - if he wants to. No body hires you to be the spokesperson for 'let's bash DK the hoaxer internet guy'.

If you're not satisfied with the fact that DK indeed has followers, that's your problem. Don't take it out on us. We want to believe him, or we don't want to, that's entirely up to us and you have absolutely no say on that matter. You don't like DK, or you don't believe him, that's your prerogative, same as we have ours. So leave it at that. Don't push it. As much as we don't care whether you believe him or not, stop bothering what we should do with our beliefs. You don't dictate what I should or should not believe. To each, his own.

reply to post by berenike


That's also what concerned me. He had no worries about giving his advice to people, enchourging them to wonder off into caves looking for places to hide out the coming "Dark knight".


If the people claiming DK's story was true then they didn't read the whole thread IMO. Many members pointed out holes in his story from the begining, which lead many members to investigate his claims and his other threads. Lets not forget the classic where he spoke to a talking flame in a car park!!

Originally posted by Cerridwen
1st of, my question was meant for SO to answer. So pls, unless you're SO, let him reply himself, if he wants to. Don't be ATS rent-a-cop.

He already answered it in his original post. Goodbye threads are not allowed, hence, why it was deleted. He's not a parrot, he's already answered the question.

2ndly, I don't remember saying that he lied - that was your own assumption. So pls, keep your assumptions to yourself.

I don't remember me saying you did. I have a question mark at the end of the sentence, because it was just that, a question. Now, a period or exclamation mark would indicate a statement. That was your assumption, so please, heed your own advice.

3rdly, if I wanna ask anything, it's my prerogative. What I understand, or what I don't understand, it's none of your business.

Ahhh, so me telling you what seems to be clear that you missed is out of line? Again, he already explained why the thread was deleted. Do I have to explain it for the third time, now?

And last but not least - AGAIN, PLS, let SO himself do the answering - if he wants to. No body hires you to be the spokesperson for 'let's bash DK the hoaxer internet guy'.

Again, for the fourth time, he already answered your question, but if you don't understand what I'm trying to say, go back to my response to your first and third quotes.

If you're not satisfied with the fact that DK indeed has followers, that's your problem. Don't take it out on us. We want to believe him, or we don't want to, that's entirely up to us and you have absolutely no say on that matter. You don't like DK, or you don't believe him, that's your prerogative, same as we have ours. So leave it at that. Don't push it. As much as we don't care whether you believe him or not, stop bothering what we should do with our beliefs. You don't dictate what I should or should not believe. To each, his own.

Ahhh, so you can have a say on my opinion of it, but I can't have a say on your opinion of it? This last part is a bit hypocritical, is it not?

The point is, some of you guys are really trying hard here. The original thread had hoax tags underneath it, and had an explanation as to why. Wasn't good enough for some of you, so I PM'd SO, and shared what he wrote. Again, wasn't good enough for some of you. Then, he comes in, and explains why in further detail. Again, wasn't good enough for some of you. What makes you think that him coming back and explaining why he deleted his thread, when he already explained it, is going to change anyone's mind? If we go with the same pattern, it wont.

reply to post by TravisT


Look TravisT, at the end of the day, whether DK (the other one, not me) was a hoaxer or not, you can't deny some of the things he said in his threads/posts are eerily similar to some of the events that have happened in the past few years.

There has been an increase in sightings in the sky, an increase in noises heard around the world and an overwhelming decrease in feelings of mass comfortability.

I've never mentioned in any post on this thread that I fully believe in everything the guy wrote, simply that a lot of is fairly interesting in my opinion when correlated against current events.

Maybe the guy was wrong, maybe he was a hoaxer but at the end of the day you can't stop people believing some of the things he wrote.

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by TravisT

 

Maybe the guy was wrong, maybe he was a hoaxer but at the end of the day you can't stop people believing some of the things he wrote.

I'm not trying to stop you, I'm just giving facts. If you choose to ignore those, and go further into denial, well, that's your fault. But no, it's not going to stop me from giving actual facts.

Originally posted by TravisT

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by TravisT

 

Maybe the guy was wrong, maybe he was a hoaxer but at the end of the day you can't stop people believing some of the things he wrote.

I'm not trying to stop you, I'm just giving facts. If you choose to ignore those, and go further into denial, well, that's your fault. But no, it's not going to stop me, sorry......

You've obviously missed every word I've just said, but fair enough; your sticking to your corner and for that I applaud you. Not too sure what else you want me to say.....?

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by TravisT

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by TravisT

 

Maybe the guy was wrong, maybe he was a hoaxer but at the end of the day you can't stop people believing some of the things he wrote.

I'm not trying to stop you, I'm just giving facts. If you choose to ignore those, and go further into denial, well, that's your fault. But no, it's not going to stop me, sorry......

You've obviously missed every word I've just said, but fair enough; your sticking to your corner and for that I applaud you. Not too sure what else you want me to say.....?

Missed every word? I don't believe that current events have matched up to anything he has said. There has been no "mass panic/undeniable UFO sightings". Sure, there have been some sightings, like there has been sightings well before DK made any thread, but again, nothing to the scale that he mentioned....not even close. So no, I don't believe it matches up, or even comes close to matching up, to ANYTHING he has said.