"GOP: No tax hikes -- except for the poor"

Originally posted by Twainfan

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

Your logic is faulty. Last time I checked, Warren Buffet was not my family member, and I am not his responsibility.As much as I dislike the man for his abuse of power and his association with POTUS in dirty dealings (yes he has insurance dealings he benefited from Obamas policies), it is not his responsibility to take care of me.
He will one day karmically pay for his abuses, but that is another story for another day.

Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Glancing at your avatar I presume you consider yourself elevated and perhaps looks up to Atlantis? Generally such a person is spiritually developed.

Someone spiritually developed is aware that indeed we are all family members (in fact we are all one entity) and are responsible for each other. That's right, you're sharing this plane with over 3 billion versions of YOU!

My analogy still stands: Anytime there is a group of people, the one with the money must pay for everyone or else give everyone their own money. There isn't any way around that.

bullcrap... if I earn the money, you and the rest of the slackers have no right to what I've earned. If you can't go out and earn you own keep, then sit in the gutter and die for all I care. Those that actually work to support themselves and their families owe nothing to anyone. They can freely donate to whomever they wish but you aren't entitled to anything they have. This entitlement mentality is what got us into this mess in the first place.

There are millions of ways to better yourself and support yourself and your family... ranging from getting an education (yes you can learn stuff for free) to finding a job no matter how low on the pay scale to starting your own business. There's no excuse for an able bodied person to not earn their own keep. For those truly in need, we have charities.

Wow! Sounds like this is your first incarnation on this plane and you're overwhelmed by the carnal delight of being physical?

I'm afraid once you die and look back on your life if these views don't change...you'll reincarnate as a kid born without arms and legs to learn some compassion and humility.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
I'm sorry, but the republican base has to be so moronic and simple minded on an epic scale to not see and be absolutely disgusted by the hypocrisy of the right. Rich people need their tax breaks/government assistance... but the wage earners who are faced with record unemployment need to pay more taxes.

I'm sorry for this judgement but if you are republican you are either without conscience or without brain.

edit on 23-8-2011 by spiritualzombie because: (no reason given)

Yeah, and the Democrats are SO DIFFERENT, aren't they? Oh wait, no they aren't, because they are completely controlled and captured by the same globalist banking and corporate interests.

How can you really be this dumb in the year 2011? When are you going to get a clue? Ever?

reply to post by DZAG Wright

Now THAT was spot on.
There is no accountability now for trillions of dollars spent where?

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Wow! Sounds like this is your first incarnation on this plane and you're overwhelmed by the carnal delight of being physical?

I'm afraid once you die and look back on your life if these views don't change...you'll reincarnate as a kid born without arms and legs to learn some compassion and humility.

Haha, you think it is compassionate to steal, BY FORCE, someone's possessions? So you can skim 80% of it off the top to pay all your corporate cronies and black government projects (and fund a bunch of wars)... and maybe... MAYBE give a few dimes and nickels to the poor?

Haha, yeah. You're the one who is in his first incarnation here.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

You assume we don't realize that the government overspends with special interests and military spending....we want that cut and the welfare cut.

Cut spending across the board - let people take care of themselves.

Is that even possible in this time?

Do you live on a few acres of land where you can support you and your family? If so is it still clean enough of corporate and military pollution that it won't damage your dna?

I keep repeating: Unless you support a "culling" we have moved past the every man for himself days.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
So who is classified as being rich? Is it 250k? 60k?

When I see these threads I just see the masses of good for nothings reaching out to take my money. (and yes, seen my fair share of people who don't deserve a dime of government money)

I will say that my opinion of rich has risen to someone netting 1 million dollars annually....maybe even more. So yes the tax lines need to be redrawn.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Is that even possible in this time?

Do you live on a few acres of land where you can support you and your family? If so is it still clean enough of corporate and military pollution that it won't damage your dna?

I keep repeating: Unless you support a "culling" we have moved past the every man for himself days.

You are the one that supports a culling. You want to FORCIBLY STEAL people's money, under the guise of helping out the unfortunate.

You are one of the most vile and immoral humans on the face of the planet. There is NO compassion or morality in STEALING from one person in order to give to another.

If you want to help people, you must do it voluntarily.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
I will say that my opinion of rich has risen to someone netting 1 million dollars annually....maybe even more. So yes the tax lines need to be redrawn.

How about I round up a gang and then force you at gunpoint to hand over all of your money. And then give 10% of it to some poor people who promise to back me up, and keep the other 90% of it for my soldiers?

Oh wait, that's already happening to you...

reply to post by Gorman91


Not a bad suggestion and similar to what I think of as a new economic model.

This is what I mean when I tell people that communism and socialism are archaic. It's time to create a new economic system which will combine capitalism, socialism and probably a few others.

Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Is that even possible in this time?

Do you live on a few acres of land where you can support you and your family? If so is it still clean enough of corporate and military pollution that it won't damage your dna?

I keep repeating: Unless you support a "culling" we have moved past the every man for himself days.

You are the one that supports a culling. You want to FORCIBLY STEAL people's money, under the guise of helping out the unfortunate.

You are one of the most vile and immoral humans on the face of the planet. There is NO compassion or morality in STEALING from one person in order to give to another.

If you want to help people, you must do it voluntarily.

OK buddy....brace yourself!

Exactly who's money do I want to steal, poor, middle or rich?

Secondly, how did who ever money I want to steal obtain it? Did they actually work, or did they lay claim to a resource which belongs to ALL of us?

If there was compassion and morality, it would not be necessary to STEAL from anyone.

Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
I will say that my opinion of rich has risen to someone netting 1 million dollars annually....maybe even more. So yes the tax lines need to be redrawn.

How about I round up a gang and then force you at gunpoint to hand over all of your money. And then give 10% of it to some poor people who promise to back me up, and keep the other 90% of it for my soldiers?

Oh wait, that's already happening to you...

I would have no problem with this...especially if I knew that I had stolen it to begin with.

Fortunately, we live in a society which has a government designed to prevent this. Though our government has a few bugs and need be cleaned up a bit.

Par for the course

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It is a good system, but if you want my solution to a new system for a new era, that economic system is just the economic one.

The path to making it stable is a multistep plan. Think Ozymandias from "The Watchmen", what he said at the end. You have to trick human nature to save it. First step, unionize the world's armies, and take away any loyalties to their nations of origin. This "world union", would be a unionized military industrial complex, separate from the political machine, competing with itself on a global scale to keep the gears of industry turning. Next step is the process of making every military without a nation, and every nation without a military. turn the system upside down, and make Tesla's dream come true. This creates a cannibalistic government. A government that is its own enemy. The military and political machine are in constant aggression against each other. Next step is to let the game play. Psychopaths will inevitably seek the highest orders of both politics and militaries, and in doing so, whenever one becomes the most powerful, the rest will rip him apart. And thus is the cannibal government complete. A unionized military industrial political machine that devours its own leaders when they try to extend too much power. A ritual sacrifice. A never ending rain of blood for the tree of liberty, under which the common man finds shelter as the animal eats itself. For the blood of psychopaths is a most pleasant aroma and drink for the tree of liberty. Truly, miracle growth.


of course, such things are 50 years away. Still, it's funny to see such ignorant leaders of our world call for a New World Order, not realizing that all it takes is one charismatic general to unionize his army and make the world a new Rome, in constant political instability. Where they seek unity, it will inevitably lead to confederacy. Perhaps it is better they remain ignorant of the steps they are taking that insures their neck on a noose.

We rarely look at this issue in terms of morality.

Helping the poor and downtrodden and trying to be something called fair, good, decent, loving, kind, peaceful, giving, merciful, things like that.

The founding fathers where great people who valued truth and freedom, but also morality, and an ethic of generosity, fairness, and justice, and wanted to build a nation where ALL could enjoy the American dream not just a few crafty rich people.

This country has descended into a very dark period of selfishness, greed, intolerance, division, and ignorance that I believe may destroy the country.

The injustice of these people coddling the rich and marginalizing the weak, the poor, and the ordinary is an example of the above.

America needs to create a new industry that will increase our incoming cash flow from around the world, if were going to tax the poor...tax the rest of the world. It should be the US vs. everyone else rather than the US vs its citizens.

reply to post by inforeal
OP if we expect to receive benefits from the so called Social Security "trust fund" at retirement, surely we shouldn't be reducing the amount we pay into it if we are not also going to reduce the amount we take out. I don't think the later was ever part of the discussion but probably should be if the payroll tax (the investment) is going to remain at the reduced rate. I am not necessarily against keeping the payroll tax low but I think the benefits for those who have had the payroll tax cut should also be cut. Otherwise the system is even more of a ponzi scheme sham than it was a few months ago when these payroll tax cuts took effect. Personally, I think everyone's payroll tax should be cut to zero and everyone's benefits should also be cut to zero - i.e. end the ponzi scheme otherwise known as Social Security. But what do I know I am just a greedy tea bagger.

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by inforeal

 

Wow you really need to get your facts straight you haven't got a clue do you? First the tax reduction is for FICA, So this money effects you if your FICA contributions are lowered your social security suffers when you retire. What Obama did was give you money now and less later through your social security. Now Social security is all ready dealing with insolvency problems and to continue at a lower percentage means it will run out that much sooner meaning there will be a lot of poor and elderly hurt when the soc sec checks don't arrive. My advice to you get off your soap box

Maybe they can cut the "434223887878823 trillion" military budget? Noooooo, USA needs to be the "world police" and "help" every other country (actually they always tend to have oil or drugs).

I bet if one country was able to sneak in a big army (even though its almost impossible..) there will not be enough soldiers on American soil to defend the population..

Just my 2 cents..

Peace out

Originally posted by inforeal

We rarely look at this issue in terms of morality.

Helping the poor and downtrodden and trying to be something called fair, good, decent, loving, kind, peaceful, giving, merciful, things like that.

The founding fathers where great people who valued truth and freedom, but also morality, and an ethic of generosity, fairness, and justice, and wanted to build a nation where ALL could enjoy the American dream not just a few crafty rich people.

This country has descended into a very dark period of selfishness, greed, intolerance, division, and ignorance that I believe may destroy the country.

The injustice of these people coddling the rich and marginalizing the weak, the poor, and the ordinary is an example of the above.

I agree with your point in some ways...

However, taxing "the rich" is about supporting the infrastructure of our society, not about helping the disadvantaged. The middle class needs to be educated and able to function in a complex society for the good of the country and the world as a whole.

It is simply a logistical part of operating an organized government within a capitalist economic system; we can't allow corporations to destroy the environment or enslave the masses.

It is a fundamental part of capitalism.

Besides, "the rich" depend on and benefit from "the government" more than anyone; by far.

Originally posted by Misoir

Originally posted by Tangled4u
Thank God when Ron Paul get's elected he will take away all taxes because it's unconstitutional.

Can't wait for that day.

How is something 'unconstitutional' when it is clearly legalized and appropriated to the federal government within the Constitution? That is like saying "free speech is unconstitutional" even though it is clearly stated freedom of speech is a right in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

You cannot just call something unconstitutional if you do not like it, just calling it so does not make it true.

AMENDMENT XVI
Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Source

All those who beleive in the 16th amendment need to read the books the law that never was and how the 16th ammendment was not truly passed by 2/3 of the states.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by wardk28

 

BS -- the businesses NEVER hired anyone. That's why we had two jobless recoveries since 2001. What planet do you guys live on?

And who's going to buy the products or services from those new businesses that claim to use it to hire? Is it really that they aren't making money because they can't produce enough with current staff, or because people aren't spending enough because they ain't got enough to spare?

I don't care what the polls say about spending, I am still trying to save more and more these days when I can.