For Christ's sake, stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun!

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

To be honest, that's a lot of words with no meaning. What is it trying to prove? How does it relate to what I said?


Fact is, the leader of a country should, ideally, be better than those that made him leader. This is, after all, why he is leader. You wouldn't make a quantum physicist do English elementary school? And you wouldn't make a failure your leader.

Fact is we did. We elected a failure. Just like we did before that, and the time before that, and the time before that, going back a great number of decades.

Why? Because we trusted.

Perhaps we should trust less. Perhaps we should give up on hope for trustworthy people. I have. I think that's why people are moving to Ron Paul now. He at least has a record to trust. Which flips what I just said upside down. Because before him, we trusted your words, not your record. That's a mistake. We should not care for your words, but always your record.


That is why, and that is proof, that Obama deserves the blame.

It relates by assuming you're not ignorant of our government, you know the President is just 1/3 of our ruling branch. So....what can he do if the other two are not on his page? What can he do if one of them should be....but is infiltrated by Blue Dems? He CAN'T do anything he wants except compromise!

So what's the use of blaming someone in that position? That goes for all Presidents including Bush who I don't single handedly blame either because our country isn't a dictatorship. All the messed up things "he" did was cosigned by Congress and the SC.

I could understand if people simply admitted they like blaming SOMEONE rather than the entire system.

reply to post by DZAG Wright


you COULD force it. But most of the stuff he wants to force are against what the people want.

I recall the president's speech in "Gabriel over the white house"

Extremely relevant and spooky, now near 80 years later.

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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Nyteskye
The conspiracy theorist in me believes McCain was chosen to tank the '08 election knowing that this would happen.

This is exactly why the MSM is elevating the likes of Romney and Bachmann to the "top tier".

If you know this....again why are you so hard against Obama? See this is where Obama haters allow us a peek into their illogic.

I don't hate Obama. I just oppose his entire philosophy of Marxism and redistribution of income and Socialist programs, Universal medicine, his entire foreign policy and his bowing to foreign powers, his constant snubbing of half the country, his obvious Chicago style corruption. I oppose his social justice agenda including indoctrinating kindergartners and grade school and high school children in sexual exploits. I oppose his philisophy of placing a wedge between parents and their children as all Statists do. I oppose his callousness to babies who somehow were still alive after botched live birth abortions and left to die without any care, yes, Obama opposed even the care of those innocents even till they died. He is a complete abomination. How dare he even pretend to be Christian. we know he is not, we know he prefers Sharia Law to the Constitution.
That is why I oppose that man.
But I do not hate him. He will be judged according to his own works.


KJV "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

reply to post by alexbassguy


The last batch of repubs spent like drunk sailors.

This batch of Dems spend like drunk sailors after winning the lottery.

So you are saying that we shouldnt blame him for the largest social spending cock up in history?

Really? He rammed it down our freakin throats!
I'm disappointed that a repub didnt have the stones to filibuster the dang thing.

Face it, we have had some bad presidents on both sides. Obama? The only two in his league were wilson and FDR.

Is he to blame for every singe thing? not necessarily. But his by default by putting people in cabinets that are regulating the hell out of all facets of life (sunstein?).

Both of us know that RP (if he gets it) wont live long enough to do much. God grant that I'm VERY wrong. He's our last chance.

Perry might actually give obama a run for a equal though.

I'm disappointed that a repub didnt have the stones to filibuster the dang thing.

reply to post by felonius





Which thing? The Socialised medicine bill? The Stimulus? What? Yes the Repubs did try a filibuster. They did not have enough majority to stop it. But they have plans. It takes people like Pam Bondi in Florida to truly challenge this monstrosity of an UnConstitutional bill.
Maybe you were talking about the debt ceiling? Whole nother story that....too many CFR in that brew...

But people please remember one important thing......Obama killed Osama....

Originally posted by jhn7537
But people please remember one important thing......Obama killed Osama....

Interestingly, no Republican I know of is impressed by that.

OP: "Thoughts?"

My thought is that Obama has yet to be blamed for a hurricaine, and that is something under the sun

Would be rediculous to blame someone for a hurricaine... I know.... shame on me

No one would ever think that a leader of a nation, could......... wait what?

They said what?

BAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ha omg kool aid time

The reason people blame him is because he promised what he could not give.

Originally posted by DaemusAlphae
"For Christ's sake, stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun!"

Yeah, I am going to have to go with a big fat NO on this one.

Let's say that you are a manager at KFC. Let's say that many of your employees are under-trained and they screw up orders, fail heath inspections, misplace money and so on and so on......all of this comes together and results in one horrible place to eat. The franchise owners take notice, and do you know who they go to? They go to the manager, the person they trusted enough to hire to take care of their business.

The business relationship between the franchise owners and the managers is quite similar to the relationship between the citizens and the president. The president works for US, NOT the other way around. When things go wrong, we look at him. He took on the job as a LEADER, the person who is solely responsible for the continuation and progression of domestic policies that are designed to make the people happy. That is his job.

So when these things do not get done, we want ONE person to turn to, not a whole mess of agencies, departments, special interest groups, etc.

Yeah, I pretty much ran out of gas there. I hope you got my point.

Daemus, great point, HOWEVER

The manager at KFC has sole power to change and create whatever he decides (within reason of course). So if he fails to implement change, it's his fault - however from a customer to staff ratio, it can be extended to include the staff for not supporting the manager.

Whose fault is then? Staff or Manager, or combination of both?

If however, we took the concept of a business being owned by one person, then your concept works completely, the fact that we don't and shouldn't vote one person to rule any country should suggest that blame is shared according to proportional representation.

I don't particularly like Obama, I had tears in my eyes when he was elected, but he has failed to inspire and is too hollywood and not a lot of good when it comes to real issues. He could have closed down gitmo, pulled out of wars and actually engaged in a decent foreign policy - he has, by token carried on in the Bush vein, and this is what the world had really had enough of.

He isn't completely to blame, far from it, but a man who promised change, hasn't really implemented any of the change promised.

why would we stop blaming him?? especially when he
promised this country a complete utopia where we can
destroy debt, fix medicare, stop wars & ultimately
bring the troops home??

youre adding more fuel to to the horrible machine that
is amerika which is still bleeding to death. how dare you
defend him and his cronies that follow him.

It's true, It's become an OBAMA NATION. I'm still surprised nothing has been done about him
and his cronies. They really are full of ##.

Sorry to burst any one persons bubble who disagrees with me but here goes:

You will all have to go farther back than Obama/Bush Jr./Clinton/Bush Sr./Reagan/Carter/Nixon/Ford/Johnson and oh yes, your dear Pres. Kennedy...this list should go all the way back at least to Pres. Jackson on where this madness started.

No, I will not waste my time listing everything I know with sources...you all can do that for yourselves and probably should as it would make for a Greater Nation if we weren't all forced learning what the State of Texas wants us to know/not know (go look that up too) if you had a public education like I did, well partially. But, I will say that if you spend enough time on "True American History" including Government/Economics, you'll make new friends that have names like intelligence, research, fully informed...you get my point here I hope.

I'm saying these things to spark some curiosity out of what will probably only be a select few who will and/or have researched beyond your school books at any level of education.

Also, to add, I'm not in favor of this thread as it is a redundant point that only serves the purpose of finger pointing in one direction or another whether intentional or unintentional. I can tell from the OP however, that he/she feels this thread is necessary and he/she seems to have decent intentions, that I can respect. But that is just my opinion.

The offices/departments of the US Government funded by US citizens have changed the names of almost every office/department over the past 100 years to suit its purpose...whatever that was at that time. Example, The Department of Chemistry, now we call it the FDA....lol, what a bunch of @$$ clowns (look back near the year 1909 to get answers for this one and see what has happened since). Ever wondered why the same names have been in power/politics in one form or another for over/near 100 years? Well hell, go back at least 100 years and then you'll find out why and what their interests were and still are. Then you'll start getting to the "nitty gritty"! Most of our money goes into these departments/offices. This will jump start your fiscal research at the very least.

You all really need to stop finger pointing and make an attempt to educate yourselves so we can stop arguing. At that point we can all be on the same page and have a fair discussion about US Politics, Policies, etc., and how to "really" change the way our nation is controlled/operated. Otherwise, we're all doomed to further Gov./Financial/Political disasters.

In ending, I know I will get criticized and scrutinized for bringing up these issues without backing them up. But this isn't science and we're not participating in the local science fair, these are historical facts that can be found anywhere in your local libraries or online libraries, so that criticism/scrutiny will get you no where fast with me. I'm not going to do it for you and lay it out in plain view here on ATS or any other site for that matter. If I did, that would cost ya major cheddar which is about what our dollar is worth anyway...a slice of cheese Also, I'm not being condescending, so don't take this post that way, but I personally, was raised to learn for myself and always go beyond the scope of what is being presented to me as fact. If I were to ask my Dad what a particular word meant, he would say "get the dictionary and look it up, then break out the encyclopedia and read". I'm raising my children the same way so that when I need them making decisions for me and you at least I will know they are very well informed and nobody will be pulling the wool over their eyes...ever. Finally, I have one word for you all that will lead you to numerous answers "Electoral".

Just do some dam research and quit finger pointing, it's very childish

Who Wants To Be An Amerikan?

reply to post by cheftim59


Ever watched a political campaign before?? You pretty much just summarised every previous campaign.... ever.

reply to post by alexbassguy


your absolutely right... everything is not his fault, but he still sucked on a pair of big hairy eggs to get where he is... bottom line he sucks... when someone is so tied up in fake pictures and propaganda; it = major suckage... i can't get over how much he sucks and continues... to suck... i almost believed he was about change right before his election until he supported the bail out... not one person opposed it... that's when i knew he was just another puppet... that sucks on a pair of eggs... did i mention he sucks... he can't even bring about his socialist movement right with out sucking on every in-hale.... yeah bush sucked too and clinton just got lucky that he caught the economy on an up cycle but definently sucked too... but obama is the worse... any president that has to use a teleprompter for everything is no leader of mine.... because that just shows instead of speaking from the heart or brain, he's just sucking on a pair of eggs everytime his mouth opens.... in fact what good traits does he have... shooting around some balls and sucking on a pair of eggs and wacking the stalk out in front of the white house... all presidents in our recent history have no power and are just their to suck on big hairy eggs of some elitess.... they all sucked and continue to suck until they get their pearl nechlace and i have a feeling that nechlace is soon gonna hit him right in the eye

Originally posted by jhn7537
But people please remember one important thing......Obama killed Osama....

no obama is osama haha... they had to cut the budget so they used heavy make up on obama; got him to take a post mortem picture for the media, so they are one in the same... haha.... bush played a much better osama tho he was able to pull off osama and ... o what's his name? sadam...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by jhn7537
But people please remember one important thing......Obama killed Osama....

Interestingly, no Republican I know of is impressed by that.

Not only is not one bit surprising, it fits in with the OP perfectly. All while Bush was president, if I did not say I wanted Osama dead once a week I was a traitor. I knew as soon as Obama was elected that if he actually got the guy, those same people would find a problem with it.

How about that. I was 100% right.

Now I am sure no one wants to ask how I knew that was going to happen but it sure does validate the point of the thread. People want to blame him so bad for anything and everything that they blame him for things they wanted done themselves just because he is the one that did it.

Thanks for backing up the OP's point.

In my opinion, given what he inherited, he has done a rather sterling job so far... yeah, he hasn't delivered on all his election promises... but that's politics I'm afraid... par for the course. ...

To be honest, I am at the end of my tether with the petty, childish western democratic system that governs most of us... It's a constant never ending merry go round of lying to get elected, spending the next 2 years or so slagging off your predecessors and blaming them for the whole sorry mess, and then 2 years of lying yourself and being more interested in getting re-elected than doing your job effectively.... Politics is becoming/has become a circus of ludicrous porportions......

As far as I can see the republicans holding the house of representatives has caused major problems for the political landscape in America......The republicans are still so bitter and twisted after losing the last election that they block every meaningfull bill/policy that will really promote a positive change.... You can't actively and childishly obstruct political expression for no good positive reason, just because you lost the last "game"... I swear... it's like a child taking his football home because people aren't doing exactly what he wants....

Pathetic.

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
why would we stop blaming him?? especially when he
promised this country a complete utopia where we can
destroy debt, fix medicare, stop wars & ultimately
bring the troops home??

Why would you start or continue blaming him for losing a sock or getting a flat tire? Why would you start blaming him for things that happened before he came into office or things that were done without him?

Are any of you actually reading the OP?

I see so many of these "No, I want to blame him so NYEAH!" posts when the OP clearly made the case that what you need to stop blaming him for is all the silly crap he has nothing to do with. It dilutes any real criticism of him. I also see a lot of posts lately saying things like "How does Obama still have that much support?"

Here is why.

You and others in thread have insisted that he deserves blame for everything and anything. Either that or you are all responding without actually reading the OP and are all just ignorant typists who really need an audience. You keep blaming Obama for silly things like it raining tomorrow and I guarantee you he will still have a lot of support.

AND THE OTHER BIG PROBLEM is all this "you gotta stop bringing up Bush" crap. To pretend presidents do not have impact outside their term is delusional at best but more importantly, it is again the hypocrisy.

Fox news is great at the whole "Sure, blame Bush again. He is not in office" all while STILL blaming Clinton for things. It happens all over ATS too. You cannot blame Bush but by God that Bill Clinton was special because we can still blame him.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by dadgad

 

There are no words to describe my intense disappointment in the fact that Hillary Clinton received so many votes. Don't you people know that she is a cold-hearted corrupt devil in disguise?

She is one VERY VERY scary lady!

Her Hubby, Slick Willy, pretty much single handedly set up the present economic MESS.

If it were not for all the hypocrisy, these whiny complaints would actually translate to a migration of support from Obama to a viable opposing candidate.