For Christ's sake, stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun!

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by alexbassguy

 

Would it be OK if we blame Obama for what he is responsible for? Would it not in fact be irresponsible not to?

Only if you also credit him with what he has done.

And be realistic about what he's taken on from the previous administration.

And be realistic about what can be accomplished in less then 4 years.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


I keep seeing people on here say that he has no power. What planet are you living on? He has even superseded the provisions of the constitution for the congress to have control of the ability to declare war. He moves the most powerful army in the world across the globe like pieces on a chessboard, and laughs when the congress tries to tell him that he can't do that without their permission. Not only that, but if he were to actually act like a true president, I, and most others like me, would stand up fight along side him for what is right. Unfortunately, the man has failed us all miserably, as many of us truly believed that he would actually strive for "change" in this government. All he brought us were more unending wars, and already has spent 3 times as much as Bush did in his entire 2 terms. If he were the true harbinger of change as he claimed, he could have easily solved ALL of our financial problems by bringing our troops home, as he promised, and even going further by dismantling all of our efforts to dominate the world through military force. In essence, he could do all the things that Ron Paul says he will do, as he knows he will have the power to do, when we elect him as our president.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by alexbassguy

 

So wait, you start a thread bemoaning people from starting "Obama is at fault" threads, and use the blame GW Bush as your basis?


Ok then. I guess.

Why don't you try being realistic what the Bush administration brought forward into the Obama years.

reply to post by PSYCORE


So basically yourself and others who ride him unmercifully do so because he isn't "perfect"?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by alexbassguy

 

So wait, you start a thread bemoaning people from starting "Obama is at fault" threads, and use the blame GW Bush as your basis?


Ok then. I guess.

Why don't you try being realistic what the Bush administration brought forward into the Obama years.

I am. I fault Bush for where we are, but Obama has not only continued it, he has added fuel and pressed us faster and harder.

But, fall back on the original post.

Kind of like saying "I hate people who hate", and expecting that to be a viable arguing point.

Originally posted by Gannicus
reply to post by newcovenant

 

Yeah, great article. It really shows how it's always Republicans who are called out as hypocrites. Forget the fact Democrats and liberals have done a 180 on all the positions they took when Bush was president. Right, its Republicans who are hypocrite.s Give me a break!

And did I say they are hypocrites?
No I merely presented a balanced and technically very accurate story by a conservative writer.

I am sorry you did not agree with it and took such offense. And to be sure I never called them hypocrites because they usually do do what they say. What I suppose I didn't convey with any clarity is I think they are pure evil and longstanding enemies of mankind and humans, essentially those fallen angels we heard about. I rarely will call Obama's antagonist hypocrites because they come out and tell you what they are going to do. See my post previously for more detail on that.

No - I don't think they are hypocrites at all.
They just frighten the heck out of me because I do not see any traces of human compassion or even honesty in any of them. not even little faint glimmers with and among their own families. Maybe I am just missing something?

reply to post by alexbassguy


If he made genuine attempts to avoid the partisan bickering it would be the case that he would deserve respect, but every time he's on Stage we hear him engaging in some kind of partisan nonsense, or revving up his base to attack the GOP. It is he who is the partisan and a bit of a snob too. That nose up in the air really turned off a lot of people. Me, I was turned off the minute he spouted about sex ed for kindergartners. Later, when he suggested at the Saddleback forum that parents abusing their children were about his biggest concern(second only to genocide at Darfur) I knew he was radical. It is the Marxist philosophy to separate children from their parents and transfer the parental authority and guardianship of their children to the State. Only a trained eye can see this, otherwise people are fooled that he cares so much about the children. I tell you he cares not. He cares about the Supreme authority of the State. He also probably cares about the agenda of sexing the children at the earliest possible age, and also the agenda of turning children early too. That is why he appointed Kevin Jennings as School Safety Czar. Oh and by the way, Harvey Milk was a big supporter of Jim Jones the nutcase who suicided all those people in Guyana, and also had a Congressman murdered as well.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by PSYCORE

 

So basically yourself and others who ride him unmercifully do so because he isn't "perfect"?

Why Yes! Because he breaks promises.
If you did something wrong, wouldn't your parents scold you....

This stuff is so straight forward it isn't even funny on my warped sense of a humor.

Now what must a president do when he breaks his promises?
That's right Jonny boy, duck and cover....

reply to post by newcovenant


Interesting you know about fallen angels, and yet you do not see which ones are really them. I would suggest looking a bit deeper.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by alexbassguy

 

Would it be OK if we blame Obama for what he is responsible for? Would it not in fact be irresponsible not to?

Only if you also credit him with what he has done.

And be realistic about what he's taken on from the previous administration.

And be realistic about what can be accomplished in less then 4 years.

No, you didn't understand. We ARE crediting him for what he's done. We just see it differently than you.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by newcovenant

 

Interesting you know about fallen angels, and yet you do not see which ones are really them. I would suggest looking a bit deeper.

This is as deep as I go. May I suggest you look here too?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by alexbassguy

 

Would it be OK if we blame Obama for what he is responsible for? Would it not in fact be irresponsible not to?

Only if you also credit him with what he has done.

And be realistic about what he's taken on from the previous administration.

And be realistic about what can be accomplished in less then 4 years.

No, you didn't understand. We ARE crediting him for what he's done. We just see it differently than you.

Hahaha! So true!

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776


Well, I think what some people mean is he does these things on behalf of those who back him. The Rothschilds have paid him generously for his role. He will have made 85 million off the BP thing. I mean anyone can see he had to have been told where to invest his money and then Vanguard given advance notice of the selloff. It's so easy to see that corruption. It's been in the media and yet his supporters here won't admit it.

I agree, we can't blame Obama for everything, but we can blame him for some things.

For example on becoming President he could have held a meeting with Joint Chiefs and tasked them with bringing home the troops from the middle east ASAP, after all that was part of the "Hope & Change" he offered different from
Bush/McCain. This would have saved billions of dollars, that is money that needed to be saved based on the debt America is in. He could have instituted a more equatable tax system that takes the pressure off the struggling underemployed middle class American workforce.

That is just 2 things Obama could have done, but he didn't, so you can't blame Bush for that. Not everything can be passed back to Bush.

reply to post by newcovenant


Cheap shot! Unless you include a few from the Progressive side, I stand by my statement. Also, many who may or may not be of a particular party, or may be in different countries. Like how about those false priests in the clergy? Any floating around in the Jesuit/Vatican vicinity? Secret Societies not of partisan ideology? Royalty? Also, how would we know if they are true fallen angels or just run-of-the-mill puppets of the NWO?

Originally posted by Annee

Why don't you try being realistic what the Bush administration brought forward into the Obama years.

Why don't you try being realistic what the Clinton administration brought forward into the Bush years?

reply to post by alexbassguy


I blame Obama for somewhere down the line getting a spook/troll/whatever on payroll. Sure ATS has it's share of

* Tinfoil hat wearers, makers, and sellers.
* Schizophrenics
* Full on insane users
* TROLLS

However, speaking for myself I see an abundance of very bright people here. If you would take the time to read and think about some of our more recent and prominent threads I'm sure you would see this.

As the days tick to the campaign trail, I am seeing more and more of this crap spewing all over the internet. You full well may be a Democrat trying to defend what you believe in. You may be a spook. Personally?


                                           I THINK YOU'RE A TROLL!
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When will people realize that the Democrats and Republicans are the same? They present different means, deliberately, to achieve the same end. BIGGER, MORE POWERFUL, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Tell me one thing that Bush did that takes us away from that end. Tell me one thing that Clinton did that takes us away from that end. Tell me one thing that Reagan did that takes us away from that end. Tell me one thing that Obama is doing that takes us away from that end.

Big government LOVES big corporatism...it's that much less to regulate and centrally plan. IS EVERYONE BLIND?

Republicans create the corporations to be the only ones on the block...the Democrats regulate and tax them to do what the feds want. When will people recognize this. There have been third party after third party that has tried to break this trend. Libertarian Party, Reform Party, Tea Party...the heart of everyone of these parties was to try and show the absolute collusion in the current power structure. They were demagogued by BOTH SIDES until any support of such a party was considered lame and impractical. FOR ONCE RECOGNIZE this. Recognise that the Tea Party is now not to be trusted either. It's heart was right, but it has been subverted by the power structure.

RON PAUL IS THE ONLY TRUE OPTION.

He is the only true RINO, and that's a GOOD thing. He is a Libertarian trying to co-opt the current power structure...not just one party. They made him play their game, so he is beating them at it. He is the only 3rd party option that they haven't been able to demagogue into obscurity.

Originally posted by Gannicus

Originally posted by Annee

Why don't you try being realistic what the Bush administration brought forward into the Obama years.

Why don't you try being realistic what the Clinton administration brought forward into the Bush years?

Or how about what the Clintons wanted (Universal health care) that only got through when Obama got in. Both Dems and Repubs voted for the original Patriot Act. The original version was drafted during the Clinton admin. CFR on both sides support these Draconian measures.

reply to post by GenerationGap


Yes, it's true that the Repub party has degenerated into part of the CFR Shadow Party, but true conservatives do not agree with the NEOCON agenda.