America didn't do much in World War II (in Europe)

Originally posted by IblisLucifer
Germany was never trying to win the fight against Great Britain and the US on the western front
Otherwise they would have never invaded Russia before invading England thereby making a 2 front war highly unlikely and victory truly possible and invading Russia after that which even Hitler couldn’t wait for England to be subdued would still be better then fully engaging in indiscriminant bombing of English cities and civilians lessening the English peoples will to fight a war after Dunkirk in May 1940 Which in itself calls into question the Nazis’ goal of conquering the world since the German held back for three days, thereby enabling British and French troops to escape.
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This along with many other blunders listed here for whatever reason given to explain for there incompetence should make one should question the purpose and motive behind them. the idea to bomb did serve to keep the general population terrorized from above made the people will the war to continue by strike fear into people, which in turn made them loath the Germans thereby compelling unity not just of people within Great Britain but because it was well publicized around the world but especially in the United States where public opinion had great empathy for the plight of the English people against the German aggression and for the occupied French population

With the US English and French people each experiencing the realities of the wars intrusion into their daily lives to be more or less a fearful inconvenience with most in the US being the greatest removed often being effect only by shortages of goods, this being more prevalent in Great Britain and worse still in France which like Britain face the threat from indiscriminate bombing of cities and civilians but additionally people could be forced to work against their will making life for many more difficult which in addition to the holocaust which is the only real difference between Axis and Allies for the most part was starkly different from east to west with 90,000 or 26% of Jewish population being exterminated in France, where Jewish population in Eastern European countries like Poland who suffered an estimated 3 million or 90% of the Jewish population wiped-out this I find best personifies the disregard for human life both sides practiced in the east with widespread scorched earth tactics and large scale terror against civilians. With German and German-allied forces treating civilian populations with exceptional brutality, massacring villages and routinely killing civilian hostages.

That decisions where sometime made not to achieve victory for any one nation but it seems inoder to help prolong the conflict and the fact that Great Britain and France never experienced the destruction and atrocities that Eastern European countries and peoples had to. Which leads me to believe this to be the greatest Mind f*ck in history making the real goal behind WW2 to be the ensuring that Capitalism and Western Europe civilization dominate the world by making it seem like the hero instead of the lesser of the two Evil options

You are incorrect. The Germans needed the fuel dumps and oil refineries that the Russians had in order to fuel their war machine for an attack on Britain. The attack on Russia was very specifically geared towards enabling an attack on Britain. Without the Russian oil, the German military machine was incapable of launching against the UK.

OMG some of you people should learn how to read and then go read a history book or two.

To fully understand the history of world war 2 you have to go back to world war 1, England was bled white in WW 1 (the English call it the lost generation) so they had limited manpower when WW 2 started and lost some of their best divisions and all of their heavy equipment in France in 1940 before the evacuation at Dunkerque which was helped by Hitler's decision to halt his panzers and to let the Luftwaffe bomb the English troops into surrendering. The US at that time started the "Lend Lease" program to help re-equip England with everything from food to aircraft.

The US had no plans to enter into a European war and didn't until after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and on December 11, 1941 Hitler declared war on the US. At that point the US and England decided on a "Europe first" war.

On June 22, 1941 Hitler attacked the USSR with 3 million men and 2000 panzers and started what turned out to be the bloodiest and most vicious fighting of the war, over the next 4 years the Russians lost 9 million troops killed and 15 million wounded along with civilian losses of almost 14 million. The US also extended it's Lend Lease program to the USSR and supplied the USSR with huge amounts of equipment.

While the USSR was fighting the main part of the land war, England and the US were involved in a strategic air war over Germany and in the land war by causing Germany to take troops away from the Russian front to fight in Africa, Italy and finally France.

Without the cooperation of all three countries the war may have lasted long enough for Germany to build atomic bombs and possibly have changed history.

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Sorry to intrude, but interestingly the Nazis adopted Halford Mackinders Heartland Theory (or geographic pivot) and for them to fully realise any dream of world domination they needed to control the Heartland of Eurasia which by default would give them control over Britains Empire.

The theory is distilled into this:
"He who controls the heartland of Eurasia rules the world Island, he who rules the world Islands commands the World"

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Which was further adapted by Nicholas Spykman in his "Rimland Theory" that was used in Americas containment of the USSR during the Cold War.

Amending Mackinders theory to

"He who controls the Rimland rules Eurasia, he who rules Eurasia controls the destinies of the world."

Sorry, perhaps slightly off topic.. but I find these theories really interesting as they give an insight into the minds of those who would wish to control everyone.

If not for the United States and our convoys of supplies, the citizens of the British Isles would have likely starved in droves. Lend/Lease supplied England and the Soviet Union with arms and materials that were sorely needed in both countries.

We may not have supplied enough dead people to suit the OP, but a considerable amount of American sweat helped to win the war. Most of that sweat stayed within our borders. We also lived through those war years dealing with rationing of everyday items, so that other countries could have what they needed....to live.

Originally posted by Old77
Europe only Exists because of America. You think Stalin would have stopped at Berlin if the USA was not there to say uhm I think we'll take this half so there?

I bet next your going to say America is a murderer country because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I bet you going to try and convince me that Japan was not themselves months away from detonating a bomb and would have had we not them.

I think its sad how many people the public education system has failed and more so the garbage people believe that there hippie # professors are telling them in school. The damage is clearly showing.

Really?

Then,America exist only because European people,right?
America have history of what,200 years or so?
But most of the Europeans country are 1000 and 2000 years old(Russia,Germany,France,Britain,Serbia,Croatia,Belgium....And we all know who first came to America.So don't be so foolish and saying that there wouldn't be Europe without America because it's stupid.

Learn history!

You are incorrect. The Germans needed the fuel dumps and oil refineries that the Russians had in order to fuel their war machine for an attack on Britain. The attack on Russia was very specifically geared towards enabling an attack on Britain. Without the Russian oil, the German military machine was incapable of launching against the UK.

Wrong, the Germans attacked Russia for land (Lebensraum or living space), resources and political ideologies, in 1940-41 Germany was getting plenty of fuel from Romania. Hitler lost all interest in invading England after the Battle of Brittan.

German war secrets by the thousands and the USA wanted them:

www.read-all-about-it.org...

www.2worldwar2.com...

magnetenergy.wordpress.com...

www.forteantimes.com...

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NOTE: The USA promised to share much of the secrets of the Nazi's with Great Britain....and renegade on their promise. Great Britain is in no hurry to forget.

The above is the ONLY reason why the USA joined WW2 and the hit on Pearl Harbour by Japan was a "false flag" event.

I never understood how The UK and commonwealth countries can say that Americans didnt suffer enough casualties during our time in the war, Granted the Americans entered the war later than most. But in the fighting from 1941- 1945 the Americans suffered casualities of 416,000 dead and over 683,000 wounded. While the UK and Commonweath countries combined from 1939- 1945 suffered 580,000 dead and 475,000 wounded. I just dont get where this myth of low casualties comes from.

reply to post by Frira

Japanese school students are not taught about events like the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, Unit 731, and the brutal occupation of the Philippines, Guam, Singapore, Hong Kong, the Dutch East Indies, Taiwan (Formosa), Korea, and China.

The Japanese see Pearl Harbor as their greatest victory ranking probably even higher than their defeat of the Russians in the 1904-05 Russo-Japanese War and the Battle of Tushima in particular. Ironically it was the Battle of Tushima that set Japan on a path of aggression and conquest that would eventually lead to Pearl Harbor and their ultimate defeat in World War II. If you ever doubt this just go to Pearl Harbor and watch all the Japanese tourists laughing and making jokes as they cruise around the harbor in the tour boat, or visit the USS Arizona Memorial. They show absolutely no respect. If you ever get the chance, go to Honolulu and visit Pearl Harbor ... much of it is still an active duty US Navy base (as are almost all of the bases attacked on 12/7/1941) but there are tours and tourist sites.

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I would assume that the Japanese don't teach about the naval battles of Midway or the Marian's either.

Originally posted by SprocketUK
What a truly awful thread. It started out bad and just kept rolling.

My 2p worth...

Quite a few Yanks joined the war early by going to Canada and then on to the UK. (A fair few fought in the BOB).


Official involvement came in many forms, crewing escort ships in the Atlantic, North African and Italian campaigns, daylight bombing and long range fighters over Europe, D day, the liberation of Holland, all the munitions and equipment that was made.

The list goes on, I don't think anyone who ever really gave it some thought could say they didn't do much. Similarly, anyone saying that the British and Commonwealth troops didn't do much is equally deluded.

Just to add a link to your comment :
ww2total.com...

Lolwut? I smell a troll. Fail troll is fail.
You speaking english right now arent you and not german? Sure, D-Day did nothing to help the effort whatsoever. We lost thousands of men taking that damn beach alone, i didnt see anyone else with the balls to assault a fully fortified and held beachfront. Thats the thing about americans, when our backs were up against the wall we fought like our lives depended on winning, because it did. Maybe the next world war that erupts we will sit back and drink mojitos and toast your demise.

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really now? that is funny and so so not true. Nice try.

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You demand respect from Japanese tourists in Hawaii after dropping the A-Bomb over Japan? Have you gone completely mad?

DIdn't need to do much, they did "much" with fat man and little boy. That was worse than any firefights, skirmishes, artillery shellings, etc.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Lolwut? I smell a troll. Fail troll is fail.
You speaking english right now arent you and not german? Sure, D-Day did nothing to help the effort whatsoever. We lost thousands of men taking that damn beach alone, i didnt see anyone else with the balls to assault a fully fortified and held beachfront. Thats the thing about americans, when our backs were up against the wall we fought like our lives depended on winning, because it did. Maybe the next world war that erupts we will sit back and drink mojitos and toast your demise.

Erm... Besides the British? Or do you deliberately forget about us?

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hurling 8 million barely armed people into MG42s isn't exactly "fighting hard" it's "fighting stupid"

Ask the Chinese.

Originally posted by dl2one
DIdn't need to do much, they did "much" with fat man and little boy. That was worse than any firefights, skirmishes, artillery shellings, etc.

All War is"bad" MMMMkay... it is no "worse" to die from a bayonet stab wound than a high order nuclear detonation.

Infact: given a choice: don't cut me; I'll take the nuclear detonation every time ; it is over in a millisecond. Any of the axis countries would've used whatever weapons they could come up with to win yet WE Americans are always the horrible "bad guys"? screw that...I strongly disagree.

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by dl2one
DIdn't need to do much, they did "much" with fat man and little boy. That was worse than any firefights, skirmishes, artillery shellings, etc.

All War is"bad" MMMMkay... it is no worse to die from a bayonet stab than a high order nuclear detonation.

Infact: given a choice: don't cut me; I'll take the nuclear detonation every time ; it is over in a millisecond. Any of the axis countries would've used whatever weapons they could come up with to win yet WE Americans are the horrible "bad guys"? screw that...I strongly disagree.

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Might wanna take the knife.

Most of the 70,000 or so at each of the atomic bomb attacks weren't vaporized, a lot of them died slow, painful, lingering deaths from burns and radiation sickness.

I understand your thinking.
But sounds like mistaking Quantity for Quality.

America did what it did,,, Russia did what it did,,
Dollar wise,,, No one really ever Paid America Back,, Because We Rebuilt Europe and Japan.
Little Tax Paying Americans

so how about sending a check now,,, we could use a hand,,,,
Your turn Europe,,,, oh wait,,, forgot,,,
they were suckered by the same banks that pitted One Side against the Other in this War,, that War,,, and wait,,, It looks to me,,,, MOST WARS...

I think your thread should be aimed elsewhere,,, maybe the Banks didn't do that much,,,, ha ha ha.

except for pocketing alot of Gold and Money,, Then and Now...

Know the Real Enemy,, and it ain't Americans..