Ron Paul; Let Iran Have the Bomb

I'm with Ron Paul on this. If another country wants to have nuclear weapons, than they can develop nuclear weapons. America has this mentality that we are the police of the world, and we have the right to tell other countries what they can and cannot do/possess.

We have thousands of nuclear weapons, but our smug, arrogant country has the mentality that other countries can only have something if we give them our permission. It's sickening.

We don't run Iran, it's not up to politicians and people in this country to determine whether or not Iran can develop nukes, it's up to politicians and people in Iran.

Let them run their own country, and mind your own damn business people.

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by neo96

 

I couldn't agree with this consensus anymore. But I recognize that if America stops threatening Iran and so does Israel they won't feel the need to acquire and nuclear weapon and they won't bother.

Ah, but Iran has their own personal advocate in the WH in the highest position possible and that isn't stopping them. But the truth is that PNAC and the whole CFR Shadow govt has this thing all mapped out. They sit around and plan all this "managed conflict". It's what they do.

Prof Antony Sutton on Managed conflict


AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT -- AN INTRODUCTION TO THE ORDER OF SKULL AND BONES


HOW THE ORDER CREATES WAR AND REVOLUTION

Preface

The operational history of The Order can only be understood within a framework of the Hegelian dialectic process. Quite simply this is the notion that conflict creates history.
From this axiom it follows that controlled conflict can create a predetermined history. For example: When the Trilateral Commission discusses "managed conflict", as it does extensively in its literature, the Commission implies the managed use of conflict for long run predetermined ends -- not for the mere random exercise of manipulative control to solve a problem.

The dialectic takes this Trilateral "managed conflict" process one step further. In Hegelian terms, an existing force (the thesis) generates a counterforce (the antithesis). Conflict between the two forces results in the forming of a synthesis. Then the process starts all over again: Thesis vs. antithesis results in synthesis.

The synthesis sought by the Establishment is called the New World Order. Without controlled conflict this New World Order will not come about. Random individual actions of persons in society would not lead to this synthesis, it's artificial, therefore it has to be created. And this is being done with the calculated, managed, use of conflict.

www.american-buddha.com...

It makes no sense. This war-mongering of Iran...

According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel likely possesses around 75–200 nuclear weapons.

Iran currently possess none.

Even if, by some chance Iran decides to make a nuclear bomb to use it would be committing suicide. This would not require the help of the USA, Israel has a large, modern, well trained supply of troops and 75 to 200 nuclear weapons.

Does anyone really think that Iran is so fanatical that they would commit the suicide of their entire population and condemn their land for hundreds if not thousands of years?

The lack of common sense in this debate is astounding. The fact that people would willingly enter another preemptive war after the Iraq mess of lies is confusing at the least.

You don't attack a country because of fear. Since when is preemptive war tolerated? I was taught in school that preemptive war was despicable and a tactic of Hitler and Nazi Germany? Now it is suggested and acted upon left and right. Iran will not attack Israel out of self preservation. Case closed.

It makes NO sense.

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
It makes no sense. This war-mongering of Iran...

According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel likely possesses around 75–200 nuclear weapons.

Iran currently possess none.

Even if, by some chance Iran decides to make a nuclear bomb to use it would be committing suicide. This would not require the help of the USA, Israel has a large, modern, well trained supply of troops and 75 to 200 nuclear weapons.

Does anyone really think that Iran is so fanatical that they would commit the suicide of their entire population and condemn their land for hundreds if not thousands of years?

The lack of common sense in this debate is astounding. The fact that people would willingly enter another preemptive war after the Iraq mess of lies is confusing at the least.

You don't attack a country because of fear. Since when is preemptive war tolerated? I was taught in school that preemptive war was despicable and a tactic of Hitler and Nazi Germany? Now it is suggested and acted upon left and right. Iran will not attack Israel out of self preservation. Case closed.

It makes NO sense.

Ahem.....I should probably ask you to cease and desist the use of common "freaking" sense on the thread from here on out. Maybe you didn't get the memo, but FYI there is a bearded Muslim hiding under your bed right now, and there will be for the rest of your life,....and your children's lives,....and their children's lives........Get the picture?

By the way, who are you, whats your address, what's your political affiliation? I'm watching you!

Case Closed indeed.

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I forgot... no need for my particulars, i will take my RFID chip willingly, just a momentary lapse of sanity, it won't happen again, I think I must of drank some filtered water or something.

Originally posted by kro32
reply to post by BirdOfillOmen

 

Iran is conducting public hangings from cranes and stoning women to death and your calling them civilized. Sure let's let em have nukes too.

That's funny

This type of shallow intellectual assumption based thinking is one reason why the nation called USA is circling the drain..

Do tell.. how many Iranian "public hangings from cranes" and or women stoning events have you experienced?.. I'll guess "zero", but you know it's true.. read about it on the internet, and wolf blitzer said so?

Try this.. and let us know details... go check out these Iranian atrocities, then attend a few USA eye-ball popping electrocutions.. like "old sparky"!!!.. infamously known to set heads ablaze.

Ignorance reigns in the land of hypocrisy..

Of course the "leaders" of Iran are douchebag sociopaths, but the GOP & DNC have lied more wars into being that Iran.. name two political parties in modern history more dishonest, destructive, volatile and dangerous than the GOP & DNC?.. I dont see Iran exporting as much needless death & suffering based on lies..

Based on the shadowy overlord oligarchs penchant for occupying & overthrowing weaker obstreperous nations who refuse to bow.. and turning them into satellite states.. a nuke is empire occupation insurance...

Boo hoo says the oligarchs, how dare you challenge our authoritah!.. you must obey us!! we are superior to you, the master nation!!! we are special!!! the swath of Earth we penciled on a map is blessed by the invisible man!!

To the OP who do you think you are, the world police?, get over yourself. If Israel can have billions of American tax payers dollars and then still get support after producing nuclear weapons(not to mention all the rest of their shenanigans, false flag ops against America, etc), then so can Iran.

America just went against the UN and invaded Iraq and has killed(is still killing) thousands of innocent people based on a lie of WMD. America is also invading Afghanistan killing many more innocent people based on lies. America is currently helping Al-Qaeda in Lbya agasint a president who has already had his young son killed in the 80's due to an Israeli false flag operation that prompted America to attack Libya. Then we have Americas absolute crap of this false "war on terror" where they walk around the world terrorising people/countires that dont agree with their agenda, mean while the Americans and the American economy is suffering. These zionist gimps need to be stopped.

It's not like we other-threw their democratically elected government from inside the U.S. embassy and placed a dictator in charge of Iran who would cooperate easily with their oil, and when they had enough of that and had a revolution they took hostages at the same embassy we over-threw their democratic government from then only mention in the public school history text books that evil Iran took hostages at an innocent embassy.

reply to post by robyn


Everyone on this planet is "against US".... even aliens are I dont get it.... biggest power on earth afraid of everyone who doesnt have same opinion...
It is the same if i was afraid of my neighbours 3 month old daughter

Ron Paul is totally correct. Let Iran have Nuclear Weapons. Let them have at least a deterrant to ward off any future invaders. Look how many Nuclear Warheads the US has. At least 10,000. 10,000???? And Iran's neighbours have heaps of weapons too.

Will Iran attack America if it gets Nukes? I doubt it very much. It would be very difficult to get though the US Star Wars defence system. There wouldn't be no point anyway. The only nation in this world that is a threat to the US is the US itself. After the 9/11 False Flag attack the population of the US has been cowering in fear with the constant invisible threat of Terrorism. Little do they know that the terrorists are their very own government.

Ron Paul is one of many that know the truth. But even then the people who know the truth are few. This debate is crap. Does nothing and will do nothing for America. And of course it is highly censored by the mouthpiece of the government the Mainstream Media.

I don't know why they bother with these stupid election debates. Nothing good will come from them. Remember, Presidents and Ministers are Selected not Elected.

Back back to what Ron Paul said. YES Iran should be able to arm itself. Iran owns Iran. Not the US. But the problem here is the US is planning to invade Iran. If Iran had Nukes they would be a deterrant against the US invasion!!

The theory i live by is that when somebody wins the fighting will end even if people dont agree i think this is the truth in a way.

reply to post by robyn


I don't think its a good idea for anyoe to have a Nuke!!

We really should have advanced way beyond our differences by now and be working out ways to get off this planet and progress on another one....

Wars will be the end of us if we don't stop..... and what about the supposed Aliens? What if they are real and are a threat? What would Nukes do against them? Nothing. We would only destroy ourselves!!

I'm mixed on Paul's Iran comments. He does compare Iran to the Soviet Union, but he has to acknowledge Iran is an Islamic country and Islamic fundamentalists are human beings who are willing to blow themselves up in the name of their organized religion. Quite the difference from the Eastern Europeans...

Is it wise to let a country with a bigoted, homophobic, insane, moronic, uncivilized MURDERER to have a nuclear weapon?

Well, this country voted for Bush. Twice.

I guess anything is possible.

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
It makes no sense. This war-mongering of Iran...

According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel likely possesses around 75–200 nuclear weapons.

Ron Paul just released a Bomb-Shell:

Israel has 300 NUCLEAR BOMBS:
www.youtube.com...

At the 6:00 mark.

reply to post by robyn


I find Ron Paul one the most interesting politicians of this generation. His ideas are in many ways so conservative they nearly choke me, on the other hand he can be entirely refreshing and a true spokesman of 'liberty'.

His views on foreing policy speak of a sound mind. Yet they stand so opposite to the entire established status-quo, looking at him is like looking at an alien. I mean there is no-one in politics like him. He is truly unique.

I can't say that I agree on all he says, most because I feel his idea's come from a time that simply has past away. He is trying to revive something considerably old in very modern times. It's like taking a huge step backwards. I wonder if people can take that (step).

If he were to become president things could change significantly in many way's. It would be a very different world without America being the police force of the world.

Originally posted by Pervius

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
It makes no sense. This war-mongering of Iran...

According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel likely possesses around 75–200 nuclear weapons.

Ron Paul just released a Bomb-Shell:

Israel has 300 NUCLEAR BOMBS:
www.youtube.com...

At the 6:00 mark.

Yeah I caught that too, and was wondering about it...
Is Israel an official nuclear nation? I thought it wasn't although everyone knows they have it.

One of the things I think most people over look in any conversation regarding Ron Paul is you may not agree completely with every position he takes but when was the last time you agreed with EVERYTHING someone else said on so many issues across the board?

The most important question you need to ask yourself is, do you trust that this man is telling you the truth? do you believe he is an ethical man who has the American people's best interests in mind?

Why do you think as all the other candidates are hammered for positions they have flipped on numerous times, Ron Paul is NEVER asked about flip-flopping? Because he is solid in his beliefs and he is an ethical man.

reply to post by robyn


If Iran has a couple of nukes, it creates a power balance between herself and Israel. This situation becomes self-managing, and ultimately, to everyone's benefit.

It would be a smaller scale version of what happened between the USSR and the Americans. What happened? Both nations went through unparalleled technological advancement and achievements. If fear is what it takes to make two people shut the hell up and work together, then so be it.

Originally posted by zacdam
One of the things I think most people over look in any conversation regarding Ron Paul is you may not agree completely with every position he takes but when was the last time you agreed with EVERYTHING someone else said on so many issues across the board?

The most important question you need to ask yourself is, do you trust that this man is telling you the truth? do you believe he is an ethical man who has the American people's best interests in mind?

Why do you think as all the other candidates are hammered for positions they have flipped on numerous times, Ron Paul is NEVER asked about flip-flopping? Because he is solid in his beliefs and he is an ethical man.

True. This man has hold firm to nearly all of his beliefs for the past 30 years.

When it really comes down to it, it's none of the USA or anybodys business if they want an A bomb. It all has to do with Israel because they are in striking distance...personally I dont really care if they have the most nukes in the world

Iran is not the war machine, USA and Israel are...so why be afraid?