Ron Paul; Let Iran Have the Bomb

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Ron Paul Wins Online Straw Poll

DES MOINES, IA - Texas Congressman Ron Paul has won the first-ever online Iowa straw poll, capturing a commanding 44% of the over 6,000 votes cast in an online poll sponsored by Iowa Congressman Tom Latham's campaign. The results of the two-week online poll (located at: onlineiowastrawpoll.com) were announced one day before Saturday's Ames Straw Poll, which is considered by most as the first real test of a presidential candidate's organizational strength in Iowa.

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I sincerely hope that all Americans will wake up to the wisdom of a non interventionist foreign policy and a strong national defense.

After watching last nights
debate, I have come to
the conclusion RON PAUL
is CRAZY!!!!!

HE SAID LET IRAN HAVE
nuclear weapons..

THAT is the craziest thing I have EVER
heard from a candidate.

Think about if black people all lived on one big
island, someone decided to give the KKK
a nuclear capabilities, saying it was to power their
outside facilities. They make a warhead and nuke the black
person Island.

EXACT SAME THING IRAN
WANTING ALL THE JEWS DEAD.

Pauls quack!!!!

Ron Paul owned them with his comments. The issue with Iran is all about protecting Israel, who behaves like a child that cannot play nice with the other kids.

I may not agree with Dr. Paul on every issue, but the man is by far the most sensible and honest member of the GOP

Let Israel, China, Pakistan, Iraq, etc, take care of it.

America should stop being the police man of the world...Americans don't want it, foreigners don't want it and it bankrupts America. So stop it already.

Not to mention the whole ``Israel must be wiped off the map``... was not even that... it was Israel must vanish from the pages of history... just like the Soviet Union. And Ahmadinejad said this... AND HE DOESN'T CONTROL SQUAT. It's just rhetoric for his crazy supporters. Most Iranians don't support him. He's like Iran's Bush... a POS.

The mullahs control the army. And guess what, the Mullahs rather keep their power than be annihilated by nuclear weapons.

The whole ``Iran is gonna get nukes and nuke us all to hell`` is total BS.

Mao wasn't afraid of nuclear war against the US or anyone for that matter, and still he didn't launch nuclear war against anyone. Even when his army got their butts kicked in Korea. So please.

Mayhaps it is the influence that China and Russia have on Iran that bears watching. We all know that N.Korea doesn't act without China's go ahead. The very games that people like to whine about the US's involvement with, are played by other nations. Hey how about those Syrians ?
As for this nonsense about Iran vs the US's legal system I gotta ask. When was the last time someone in the US was stoned to death for adultery? I maybe a US citizen and not get the subtle nuances of criminal justice, but where is the sense of proportion? Executions in the US are usually over crimes like murder, not for sexual relations out of marriage.

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Iran is conducting public hangings from cranes and stoning women to death and your calling them civilized. Sure let's let em have nukes too. That's funny

REALLY? Is it that funny?

I'll tell you what's funny is the idea that Iran would come to the U.S. and drop a nuke. That's what's funny. Iran would be wiped off the map. All this talk of nukes is just that....talk. No one's nuking anyone. The earth would wind up in ruins. Seriously.......

I think we need to stop telling other countries what they can and cannot do.....especially since we sit over here on an arsenal of nuclear weapons ourselves.

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I sincerely hope that all Americans will wake up to the wisdom of a non interventionist foreign policy and a strong national defense.Text

You said it....

Wisdom it is......

reply to post by hillynilly

Think about if black people all lived on one big island, someone decided to give the KKK a nuclear capabilities, saying it was to power their outside facilities. They make a warhead and nuke the black person Island. EXACT SAME THING IRAN WANTING ALL THE JEWS DEAD. Pauls quack!!!!

How, Hillynilly......your comparison is unorthodox, to say the least. Did it ever occur to you to think what the consequences would be for Iran if they were to drop a bomb on the U.S.? I think you should really think past the fear you are exhibiting here and look at this a bit more realistically.

I believe any U.S. leader who eased up on the issue of Iran building a nuke would be on the road to building a new relationship with that country.

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He is absolutely right when he says the U.S should not get involved in Irans internal affairs. It should not go to war with Iran over its nuclear program. But to say "let Iran have the bomb" (not a bomb but the bomb) is insane. He is suggesting that the US should absolutely do nothing to stop nuclear proliferation. Nuclear proliferation is not an internal problem, it is an international problem. Pakistan is already unstable and its command and control centres risk nuclear weapons and material being stolen in the not-so-distant future. There are reports that a nuclear weapons was stolen from Russia and some conspiracy that nuclear material was stolen from South Africa. While it would be stupid to believe that Iran would hand over a nuclear weapon or nuclear material to another party- as Iran is a rational state that wants nuclear weapons to protect itself from the power of other global actors. However, while Iran is stable it is not inherently stable. Iran is home to a Kurdish population in its West, Azeris in the North, a regime which most the population is growing impatient and unhappy with. The transitional period from this regime (and the end of this regime is inevitable) could risk nuclear material becoming available to someone the world dosen't want.

What should the US do? Firstly stop all threats of military attack and pressure Israel (even use sanctions if necassary) to ensure they do the same. Do not take an un-even handed approach. Pressure Israel into recognizing its nuclear arsenal and signing the NPT and take affirmitive steps with Pakistan and India to ensure peace and stablility between eachother and get them to ratify the NPT (I say pressure Israel as Israel is a well established American ally, it is much easier for the US to do so than with Pakistan and India). America should normalize relations with Iran even offer incentives such as the lifting of sanctions if Iran takes steps to increase international confidence in its peaceful nuclear program. Start talking (diplomacy) with Iran (even if Israel is opposed). Enter formal or non-formal negotiations and talks in a neutral country (say Sweden). Simply assure that relations are warming and tensions are easing. Take way the fear of attack and Iran will become much more maluble. And finally take an even handed approach with a solution to Israel-Palestine (as Bush Snr and Jimmy Carter did). The conflict highlights in the eyes of the Arab and Muslim world- American and Birtish imperialism. If you can be fair here they will ease into you. This isn't appeasment as idiotic right-wing morons would say. This is diplomacy and rationality.

But firstly get the idea of a military attack or military intervention out of your head, stop threatening Iran with military action and put a leesh on your freind Israel in the Middle East. If they call for a strike against Iran you simply say- remember that $3 billion in aid we were going to give you this year? well heres 70 bucks, forget about the rest. In fact you should probably be halting military aid to any country all together seeing you economy is in the #. Once the threat of force is gone talking becomes much easier. Ask yourselves how many of you could talk to someone you think was going to hit you. It would be hard and you'd probably be looking for someway to escape their physical power. That is what Iran is doing now.

Iran will get nuclear weapons whether we want them to or not. That is the reality of the situation with Iran.

There comes a point when we all must realize a fruitless attempt is a fruitless attempt, and concede that we do not control the world, nor should we be trying to.

I believe the USA along with other nations has been planning to take down Iran for a while, and sorry, but right now, that is the last thing the USA needs is ANOTHER war.

We don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but we are powerless to truly stop them.

Let them have it and hope they do not "wipe Israel off the map".

We cannot continue down the path we have been going for the last 10+ years, it is killing us.
We are not Iran's keeper,nor should we be Israel's protector, if they do not want Iran to have a bomb, let THEM do something about it. They can take care of themselves.

i am with paul and i am not with him but he has a point.

how many countries will it take how many have to die that will never stop iran from getting the bomb.

aint nothing we can do to stop it nothing at all except spend trillions more.

however if iran fell the middle east would stabilize but hey someone wnats to step up and deal with iran let them

i say we have done enough bled enough and spent enough.

reply to post by neo96


I couldn't agree with this consensus anymore. But I recognize that if America stops threatening Iran and so does Israel they won't feel the need to acquire and nuclear weapon and they won't bother.

Originally posted by hillynilly
After watching last nights
debate, I have come to
the conclusion RON PAUL
is CRAZY!!!!!

HE SAID LET IRAN HAVE
nuclear weapons..

THAT is the craziest thing I have EVER
heard from a candidate.

Think about if black people all lived on one big
island, someone decided to give the KKK
a nuclear capabilities, saying it was to power their
outside facilities. They make a warhead and nuke the black
person Island.

EXACT SAME THING IRAN
WANTING ALL THE JEWS DEAD.

Pauls quack!!!!

Well Israel reaps what it sows. You can't go around war mongering and not expect that anyone will strike back.

Originally posted by hangedman13
Mayhaps it is the influence that China and Russia have on Iran that bears watching. We all know that N.Korea doesn't act without China's go ahead. The very games that people like to whine about the US's involvement with, are played by other nations. Hey how about those Syrians ?
As for this nonsense about Iran vs the US's legal system I gotta ask. When was the last time someone in the US was stoned to death for adultery? I maybe a US citizen and not get the subtle nuances of criminal justice, but where is the sense of proportion? Executions in the US are usually over crimes like murder, not for sexual relations out of marriage.

This is true. Islam joined the Russian axis after WWII. Russian, China, and Iran are on that axis. It's a reality we cannot ignore. Russia was communist even while it was our ally in WWII. All that time they had the gulags, even more than Hitler, but it took Alexander Solzhenitsyn to expose it years later. General Patton knew though Russia was not a true ally and no one listened.People said communism was dead after the Berlin Wall came down, but the hard core commies were in the US after that. And now they are in the WH. Our worst enemies are within, just like Kruschev said.

Iran should have what ever Iran wants, as long as they are responsible. if they become irresponsible then we can legally erase them from the planet

does that sound fair to you???

Originally posted by anumohi
Iran should have what ever Iran wants, as long as they are responsible. if they become irresponsible then we can legally erase them from the planet

does that sound fair to you???

Only if they do something to the US. We have no right to attack them just because they attack another country. And looking at their track record of starting wars even if they had the bomb I doubt if they would use it.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by anumohi
Iran should have what ever Iran wants, as long as they are responsible. if they become irresponsible then we can legally erase them from the planet

does that sound fair to you???

Only if they do something to the US. We have no right to attack them just because they attack another country. And looking at their track record of starting wars even if they had the bomb I doubt if they would use it.

exactly

Originally posted by kro32
reply to post by BirdOfillOmen

 

Iran is conducting public hangings from cranes and stoning women to death and your calling them civilized. Sure let's let em have nukes too.

That's funny

From Hiroshima to Iraq, 61 years of uranium wars A suicidal, genocidal, omnicidal course

The conduct of secret nuclear wars since 1991, through the use of depleted uranium weaponry by the United States and Great Britain with their allies, has taken place in the Middle East, the former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan2 and Lebanon.3 It has been carried out for the express purpose of destroying the public health and mutilating the genetic future of vast populations in oil rich and/or pipeline regions. Carpet and grid bombing with depleted uranium weaponry in Iraq, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan has guaranteed permanent radioactive terrain contamination. The recent discovery that U.S. depleted uranium bombs dropped by Israel on Lebanon in 2006 contained enriched uranium4,5 suggests covert testing of fourth generation nuclear weapons. The United States and its allies are fully aware that this weaponry violates the Geneva and Hague Conventions and the 1925 Geneva Poison Gas Protocol.6 It meets the definition of WMD in the U.S. Code7 in two out of three categories. And its use violates U.S. military law.8 since the U.S. is a signatory to The Hague and Geneva Conventions. The blueprint for depleted uranium radioactive poison gas weaponry – dirty bombs, dirty missiles and dirty bullets – was contained in a declassified memorandum9 dated Oct. 30, 1943. It was addressed to Gen. Leslie Groves, who was head of the Manhattan Project, the U.S. effort to build atomic bombs in World War II. The recommendation for development of depleted uranium as kinetic energy penetrators was never mentioned in the Groves memo. It was specifically for depopulation. The Groves memo makes it clear that in 1943, U.S. scientists recommended using radioactive poison gas weapons in order to contaminate the air, water, soil, food, environment and the blood of exposed populations. The long-term contamination is permanent, since uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, making contaminated areas uninhabitable for eternity. For populations that must continue to live in contaminated areas, the long-term effects are lingering illnesses and mutilation of their DNA. Widespread depleted uranium contamination of DNA in populations results in the potential mutilation of future generations. Mutations induced in the DNA of a single egg or sperm which form a fertilized egg are expressed and repeated in every cell of the developing organism, and defects are passed on to all future generations11. Not only are U.S. and allied soldiers exposed and civilian populations genocidally targeted, but the depleted uranium pollution is now global. In reality, we are all Gulf War veterans.

the west is doing the above, and you're calling other countries uncivilized?

sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

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What a relief that woulf be. I'm pretty sick of blow back myself. Neocons seem completely oblivious to the fact that actions have consequences.

If you hit someone and kill their family, they will hate you and probably hit you back in the future.

That’s what blowback is all about. It seems like such a simple concept, but many of Ron Paul’s former opponents for the Presidency vehemently denied its validity.

They professed that what our military does abroad has no effect on how the citizens of the world feel towards us. Rudy Giuliani in particular believed that the 9/11 terrorists hated our wealth and freedom so intensely that they sacrificed their lives to prove it. (Of course, our government bombing their countries, propping up their dictators and supplying their enemies with money and weapons had nothing to do with it.

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So simple yet so profound.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by hillynilly

 

Think about if black people all lived on one big island, someone decided to give the KKK a nuclear capabilities, saying it was to power their outside facilities. They make a warhead and nuke the black person Island. EXACT SAME THING IRAN WANTING ALL THE JEWS DEAD. Pauls quack!!!!

How, Hillynilly......your comparison is unorthodox, to say the least. Did it ever occur to you to think what the consequences would be for Iran if they were to drop a bomb on the U.S.? I think you should really think past the fear you are exhibiting here and look at this a bit more realistically.

I believe any U.S. leader who eased up on the issue of Iran building a nuke would be on the road to building a new relationship with that country.

He is worried about Israel. See most Americans have been brain washed into thinking that Israel is more important than their own country. Regardless of that, your argument still stands even though he is talking about Israel. I just thought Id point this out.